Which carpets are this....

[durinar]

Just before christmas i got my first carpets i was actually only planing on getting a juvenile - but i got a good offer and i ended up with a boy Darwin measuring about 130 cm ( 4.2 feet ) and a girl Sunshine measuring about 160 cm ( 5.2 feet ).... The guy in the petstore where i bought them didnt know what kind of carpets they are so i could really use some help finding out what they are....

Sunshine

http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz69/durinar/20130106_112026.jpg

http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz69/durinar/20130108_175207.jpg

http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz69/durinar/20130108_174935.jpg

Darwin

http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz69/durinar/20130108_175059.jpg

http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz69/durinar/20130108_195510.jpg

I hope someone can help....

[Will0W783]

Sunshine is a coastal carpet python for sure...she has classic coastal colors and patterning. Darwin looks to be a coastal jaguar, although with jaguars it's hard to know if he's a pure coastal or a "mutt" created from breeding coastal with another locale, like jungle.

Only the coastal locality of carpet pythons carries the genetics for the jaguar pattern trait. Jaguar means a lighter background, reduced patterning, and generally the patterning does not extend over the back. People have bred coastal jaguars into jungles to bring the bright yellow of the jungles into the jag mutation, and they've bred Irian Jayas in as well to create vivid yellow, very reduced pattern jags that sometimes have reddish tint to the remaining pattern.

I'd say Darwin looks pure coastal jaguar, but no way to know for sure without lineage. Same for Sunshine...she looks like a pure coastal, but she could be a jaguar sibling (a normally patterned clutchmate out of a clutch that contained jaguars), an in that case could have some locality muddying in her genetics.

Regardless, they are two very pretty, healthy-looking carpet pythons. :)

[shaunyboy]

1st snake i would say is a coastal

2nd snake some type of Jaguar

re Jaguar Morph
the jag is a Co - Dominant Coastal Morph,it is a pattern and colour mutation

the first Jaguar was produced by Jan Eric Engell of Norway...

he bred a Coastal,to an Irian Jaya,and the clutch produced 1 unusual looking hatchling,he bred the unusual hatchling back to the Coastal parent,and produced roughly 50% Jaguars....

if you breed 2 Jaguars together you get supers,leusistic Carpet pythons,the super gene is fatal and no leucy's have survived more than a few hours out the egg

KIMBERLY...
i only recently found out that.....

Jan Eric Engel told the world the Sire and Dam of the First Jaguar,were 2 normal looking Coastals Carpets that he had bred together...

when in fact it was a Coastal and an Irian Jaya...

his reason for this,was he did NOT have a licence for Irians at the time,so had to say it was Coastal to Coastal... (Norway has very strict reptile laws/licencing)

as far as i know,this information has been confirmed by Nick Mutton,who is a good friend of Jans

cheers shaun

p.s.i was gobsmacked when i first found this out a few weeks ago Kimberly,ive been telling folk for years,the first jag was a product of 2 Coastals breeding

[Donnie]

1st snake i would say is a coastal

2nd snake some type of Jaguar

re Jaguar Morph
the jag is a Co - Dominant Coastal Morph,it is a pattern and colour mutation

the first Jaguar was produced by Jan Eric Engell of Norway...

he bred a Coastal,to an Irian Jaya,and the clutch produced 1 unusual looking hatchling,he bred the unusual hatchling back to the Coastal parent,and produced roughly 50% Jaguars....

if you breed 2 Jaguars together you get supers,leusistic Carpet pythons,the super gene is fatal and no leucy's have survived more than a few hours out the egg

KIMBERLY...
i only recently found out that.....

Jan Eric Engel told the world the Sire and Dam of the First Jaguar,were 2 normal looking Coastals Carpets that he had bred together...

when in fact it was a Coastal and an Irian Jaya...

his reason for this,was he did NOT have a licence for Irians at the time,so had to say it was Coastal to Coastal... (Norway has very strict reptile laws/licencing)

as far as i know,this information has been confirmed by Nick Mutton,who is a good friend of Jans

cheers shaun

p.s.i was gobsmacked when i first found this out a few weeks ago Kimberly,ive been telling folk for years,the first jag was a product of 2 Coastals breeding

Very interesting, cheers for that Shaun as they say you learn something new every day.

OP very nice looking carpets, they are a great choice in snake to own :)

[shaunyboy]

Very interesting, cheers for that Shaun as they say you learn something new every day.


i only learned about the Irian parent 2 or 3 weeks ago mate

i was pretty amazed that it took so long for the truth to come out

i totally understand why Jan did what he did though,i would have done the same,in his position

cheers shaun

[durinar]

ty guys...

and ty for eksplaning .... very usefull ......

durinar.....

[MoreliAddict]

Jan Eric Engel told the world the Sire and Dam of the First Jaguar,were 2 normal looking Coastals Carpets that he had bred together...

when in fact it was a Coastal and an Irian Jaya...

his reason for this,was he did NOT have a licence for Irians at the time,so had to say it was Coastal to Coastal... (Norway has very strict reptile laws/licencing)

as far as i know,this information has been confirmed by Nick Mutton,who is a good friend of Jans

cheers shaun

p.s.i was gobsmacked when i first found this out a few weeks ago Kimberly,ive been telling folk for years,the first jag was a product of 2 Coastals breeding
This actually makes alot of sense to me.

I remember a couple months back, a thread popped up on this site with someone showing off his IJ Carpets. And I had asked if they were pure IJs, because I thought I saw jag influence in a few of them...

[marvelfreak]

That's what i love about this site i am always learning something new. Thanks Shauny.