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[snakekid6996]

So I went to the reptile expo today and while I was there I bought live rats, because they were 1/2 the price they cost at the pet store. I got 5 medium and 3 small rats. The problem is I thought I could put them in the freezer and they'd painlessly go to sleep and not wake up after an hour or two...well after like 5 hours they were still alive and seemed fine and I looked it up and everything said that freezing them was an extremly long and painful way to kill them. I took them out nd put them in a bin with hay as bedding and some seeds/rodent food. No one in this house has the heart to kill them :/.. I know it's supposed to be quick and painless but I cant hit there head with or against anything and I cant ring there necks...qervgkucbqrc....We don't have enough money for co2 to creat a chamber to kill them.. are there any other humain ways to do this or am I gumma have to suck it up and break all there necks?? :c

[infernalis]

Breed them, never buy another. ;)

Honest suggestion.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Breaking their necks is actually the most humane way. It's quick and painless. Not pleasant, though.

Also, never, ever, ever freeze them alive. One of the most painful ways to die. You ever had frostbite? Even mild? It hurts like hell. I've seen people in tears over it. Now imagine that over your entire body for hours until you die.

~Maggot

[BryanB]

I go to expos and by bulk frozen. A bag in the freezer is better than a cage in the house.

[snakekid6996]

they were out of frozen...and the only reason I thought to freeze them is because my moms has fish tanks and she had to euthanize one of her sick fish once and she said that was the most humane way, because they go to sleep after a few minutes and just dont wake up

[Jendee]

I breed some and order frozen as a supplement, to kill my live I pop in a pillow case and give one very hard smack on the wall lol

[EmbraceCalamity]

they were out of frozen...and the only reason I thought to freeze them is because my moms has fish tanks and she had to euthanize one of her sick fish once and she said that was the most humane way, because they go to sleep after a few minutes and just dont wake upFish can't feel pain. Rats can. Can't even begin to compare the two.

~Maggot

[snakekid6996]

Fish can't feel pain. Rats can. Can't even begin to compare the two.

~Maggot
fish can feel pain
HowStuffWorks "Do fish feel pain?" (http://adventure.howstuffworks.com/outdoor-activities/fishing/fish-conservation/responsible-fishing/fish-pain.htm)

[snakekid6996]

I breed some and order frozen as a supplement, to kill my live I pop in a pillow case and give one very hard smack on the wall lol

What if You don't hit there head and they are still alive?? I'd feel horrible :/

[Jendee]

first couple times I didn't hit hard enough and I literally cried lol and it toughened me up to make sure I put them out on the first swing now I have no problem making sure there is no suffering

[snakekid6996]

so it's not really a matter of where You hit them, but how hard?

[EmbraceCalamity]

fish can feel pain
HowStuffWorks "Do fish feel pain?" (http://adventure.howstuffworks.com/outdoor-activities/fishing/fish-conservation/responsible-fishing/fish-pain.htm)Fair enough. But that only serves to prove that neither of them should be frozen alive.

~Maggot

[GarterPython]

Whenever my fish are on the verge of dying I always put them in the freezer for a bit.

[snakekid6996]

^I just got told NOT to do that

[KORBIN5895]

Get a paint scraper.

[GarterPython]

Yea sorry I was talking on the topic of fish not rats.

[Jendee]

yup, hit um hard like ur swinging a bat and regardless it's still going to be less painful them squeezed to death.

[snakekid6996]

Fair enough. But that only serves to prove that neither of them should be frozen alive.

~Maggot

I know that know, but at the time all I knew was someone told me that was the way to do it. Actually two people, because the lady who sold me the rats said I could do that and they would die fast and easy.

[Corey209]

I normally fight my rats to the death, they're good boxers.. like a kangaroo.

Just kidding, why don't you just feed live with tongs?

[rmfsnakes32]

Just keep in mind those young rats you bought will grow every week the longer you put it off then you will have rats to big for your snakes. Also if you place an order with rodent pro and set to pick up at whatever show your going to they will have it with them,you still get the bulk price and by picking them up no shipping costs

[RandyRhoads]

I propose you use


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You could be all like http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx247/Staurolith/minigun.gif Instead of like http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/CrazyChik911/Facebook/3%20Wookies%20baby%20days/206983_10150212863573109_6717191_n.jpg

[KORBIN5895]

That's one tough kid. I wouldn't be so chill if someone shoved a needle through my ear.

[SnakeyJay]

I normally fight my rats to the death, they're good boxers.. like a kangaroo.

Just kidding, why don't you just feed live with tongs?

Please don't start advising a kid to try feeding live... He hasn't got the heart to kill a rat, so what would he do if the snake got hurt over it?

[Lankyrob]

Either man up and break their necks or sell them to someone else as pets and use the cash to buy frozen ;)

It isnt hard, hold around the body just in ffront of the front legs FIRMLY, with the other hand hold firmly behind the ears and then qucikly and sharply pull your hands apart whilst twisting - case solved ;)

[Corey209]

Please don't start advising a kid to try feeding live... He hasn't got the heart to kill a rat, so what would he do if the snake got hurt over it?

Guess that's true. I personally haven't had something big enough that eats larger then small rats and I'm sure a decent size rat could bang up a snake. I still never leave them inside the cage as I use tongs.

[marvelfreak]

Just grab the rat by the tail and smack its neck against something like the edge of a table or shelf really hard. Or take a hammer and whack it in the head.

My personal favorite is to do a Ozzy and just bite it's head off. lol

[shaunyboy]

i find the quickest way to kill rats,is to hit the nape of the neck,where the spine joins the base of the skull at the back of the head,on a straight edge,like the edge of the top of a vivarium,edge of a table top,edge of a shelf,etc

one hard knock on a hard edge to the nape of the neck,kills instantly...

don't swing the rat by the tail to do it,ive seen to many tails come off,and the rat don't die,i hold the body firmly,then in one fast downward motion,hit the back of the neck


cheers shaun

[shaunyboy]

I normally fight my rats to the death, they're good boxers.. like a kangaroo.

Just kidding, why don't you just feed live with tongs?

you grab a rat with tongs and imo it will get adgetated/defensive,then you point its head towards the snake,with the rat ready to bite...

imo the snake still stands a chance of being bitten using a live rat on tongs

the above is just my take on it...

i have no moral issues with live feeding,only concern for a snake being bit mate

cheers shaun

[alessia55]

Just grab the rat by the tail and smack its neck against something like the edge of a table or shelf really hard. Or take a hammer and whack it in the head.

My personal favorite is to do a Ozzy and just bite it's head off. lol
LOL :laugh:

That's one tough kid. I wouldn't be so chill if someone shoved a needle through my ear.
You mean because the baby has pierced ears? I had my first ear lobes pierced when I was just a few months old... don't remember it obviously. Have 6 ear piercings now and they barely hurt ;)

To the OP, I would sell them as pets or feeders to someone else. This way you don't have to deal with killing them. Then just buy frozen ones ;)

[snakekid6996]

That's one tough kid. I wouldn't be so chill if someone shoved a needle through my ear.
I've got gauges ;p

[snakekid6996]

I normally fight my rats to the death, they're good boxers.. like a kangaroo.

Just kidding, why don't you just feed live with tongs?

Neither of my snakes have grown up eting live. I tried feeding live to my corn once and he had no idea what to do with it. He just bit it and tried swallowing it like he would a dead one. Of coarse the mouse bit him, but luckly not hard....I had no problem killing that mouse :P after it was ded he had no problem eating it.

[dinosaurdammit]

Looks like I am tardy to the party but I made this for such a reason http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/general-discussion/96909-how-euthanize-prey.html?highlight=kill+prey

[Tracy33]

I know that know, but at the time all I knew was someone told me that was the way to do it. Actually two people, because the lady who sold me the rats said I could do that and they would die fast and easy.
NO WAY , fish or rats or anything else for that matter do NOT die fast, it is a very painful way to go. I can`t believe you were told that , really, some people have no idea at all. Tracy.

[Corey209]

you grab a rat with tongs and imo it will get adgetated/defensive,then you point its head towards the snake,with the rat ready to bite...

imo the snake still stands a chance of being bitten using a live rat on tongs

the above is just my take on it...

i have no moral issues with live feeding,only concern for a snake being bit mate

cheers shaun

I hold the rat off in a distance and every time the snake has taken it with no problems but I'll invest in a taser or something as I won't leave anything live besides my snake in the cage to walk around.

[KORBIN5895]

Plus one for the tazer!

[RandyRhoads]

A tazer doesn't work. Doesn't even knock them unconscious..... don't waste your money....

[dinosaurdammit]

A tazer doesn't work. Doesn't even knock them unconscious..... don't waste your money....

also it is very painful. You know what? Ima just make a "how to kill rat" video today. Something easy and fool proof for OP.

[KORBIN5895]

A tazer doesn't work. Doesn't even knock them unconscious..... don't waste your money....

Really? Can I try it on you?

also it is very painful. You know what? Ima just make a "how to kill rat" video today. Something easy and fool proof for OP.

Honestly if the op would do a little research on here he would find u have advocated cervical dislocation and cranial destruction almost as long as I've been here. He just didn't take the time to see if there was a better way.

To clear the record I know a stun gun isn't going to work. I have a300,000 volt cattle prod and let's just say I know it isn't effective on most things.

[jarich]

Found a website that gives pretty good detail of how to euthanize them with household stuff. No need for compressed cylinders or anything like that. Simple CO2 you make yourself. Painless and effective without any beatings or blood.

Small Animal Euthanasia at Home (http://www.alysion.org/euthanasia/index.php)

[Corey209]

If I zapped a rat with a high voltage stun gun on the head it wouldn't knock it out?

[jarich]

If I zapped a rat with a high voltage stun gun on the head it wouldn't knock it out?

Its not exactly painless, which I believe is the goal.

[Corey209]

Its not exactly painless, which I believe is the goal.

I personally don't care if the mouse goes through pain, just wondering if it would knock it out or not because I don't want to stun a mouse for no reason.

[RandyRhoads]

No it would not. 1,000,000 volts didn't do anything but make it squeek, jump, and give a dirty look.

[Corey209]

No it would not. 1,000,000 volts didn't do anything but make it squeek, jump, and give a dirty look.

I've never had a problem feeding live but one of my boas is getting pretty big to where I'd feed medium rats and I'm thinking something big could do damage

[Lankyrob]

If I zapped a rat with a high voltage stun gun on the head it wouldn't knock it out?

From memory of my science classes twenty odd years ago it is the ampage that causes damage rather than the voltage (forgive me if i am wrong) :)

[Corey209]

From memory of my science classes twenty odd years ago it is the ampage that causes damage rather than the voltage (forgive me if i am wrong) :)

From what I looked up most stun guns are low ampage so that they're not lethal.

[SnakeyJay]

So either sell them off to someone else, or a swift hard whack in a pillow case is the answer.. :)

[KORBIN5895]

The pillow case really isn't a good idea. Put it on the floor and place a paint scraper at the back of the head then push forward and down. Problem solved with no pain.

[SnakeyJay]

The pillow case really isn't a good idea. Put it on the floor and place a paint scraper at the back of the head then push forward and down. Problem solved with no pain.

More precise.. Better idea for sure.

[dinosaurdammit]

The pillow case really isn't a good idea. Put it on the floor and place a paint scraper at the back of the head then push forward and down. Problem solved with no pain.

For reals. Sometimes smacking them with a pillowcase method doesnt work. It wounds them greatly and they can and do suffer.

WARNING: VIDEO CONTAINS HOW TO EUTHANIZE PREY ITEMS USING THE "PAINT SCRAPER" METHOD

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there op.

[Corey209]

No need for tongs to pick up a rat :p

[dinosaurdammit]

No need for tongs to pick up a rat :p

The ones I get are very aggressive and if you go in with just fingers into the box you are liable to get bit.

[Corey209]

The ones I get are very aggressive and if you go in with just fingers into the box you are liable to get bit.

Strange, all the rats I've seen from the place I go to were able to be handled. Maybe they have mad rat disease :p

[dinosaurdammit]

Strange, all the rats I've seen from the place I go to were able to be handled. Maybe they have mad rat disease :p

No, they are just aggressive rats. IDK why but apparently you can breed in aggression and these probably arnt bred with disposition in mind. I have gotten a few good bites out of them. The are so aggressive they will actually charge you and attack you. Not even kidding. Now I am mostly talking about the large rats. Hence why in video i said I hated them. Because, I do, I really really HATE them.

[Jendee]

I've done it that way for like decade now I don't have to see it, feel it or hear it. just a thump i'm too squimish for anything else.
my boys love to hold the rats....I refuse lol a rat bite hurts worse then a snake bite won't even risk it lol

[Corey209]

No, they are just aggressive rats. IDK why but apparently you can breed in aggression and these probably arnt bred with disposition in mind. I have gotten a few good bites out of them. The are so aggressive they will actually charge you and attack you. Not even kidding. Now I am mostly talking about the large rats. Hence why in video i said I hated them. Because, I do, I really really HATE them.

I was just joking and I didn't know that. I handle the mice and rats I get and I've only had them nibble.

[iBaman]

The ones I get are very aggressive and if you go in with just fingers into the box you are liable to get bit.

haha, you have to treat them with respect. I can handle all live food just fine before we kill it. Had to teach the boyfriend how to pick them up, cause he kept getting bit xD (he's the one that does the killing for me...he holds them by the body and hits them with a piece of rittan (compressed bamboo). Kills them the first time, everytime

[dinosaurdammit]

haha, you have to treat them with respect. I can handle all live food just fine before we kill it. Had to teach the boyfriend how to pick them up, cause he kept getting bit xD (he's the one that does the killing for me...he holds them by the body and hits them with a piece of rittan (compressed bamboo). Kills them the first time, everytime

these will just launch straight out of the box. Its insane. But for price and size you cant find a better deal on rats:/ I would like to once open a box and not have a giant angry rodent trying to maul me while "barking" at me.

[Jendee]

these will just launch straight out of the box. Its insane. But for price and size you cant find a better deal on rats:/ I would like to once open a box and not have a giant angry rodent trying to maul me while "barking" at me.

holy crap they bark lol you have got to get that on video lol

[dinosaurdammit]

holy crap they bark lol you have got to get that on video lol

idk if the built in mic on my webcam piked it up or not but that BIG rat was barking as I was trying to get him ready. I will see if I can find it and enhance the sound so you can hear it. They are pretty insane. I am almost positive they are overly aggressive.

[iBaman]

eww, i've only had them bark once...angriest rat I've ever seen. I always try to treat my food as animals first, not the food they're about to become. Seems to make it easier on them, as you aren't stressing, so they don't stress as much. We usually feed guinea pigs (he's an ******* when it comes to eating, so the extra fat won't hurt him). and they pack a NASTY bite. I love it when we get the 'died of old age' ones...perfect size, and already dead.

Do any of you have snakes that prefer animals that die naturally? It seems that the last few times I was able to get pajamas to eat, it was a guinea that was already sick and he snapped it up. next, I tried a rabbit...and he let it cuddle with him. ended up taking it back for a guinea...which was healthy, we killed it, and pajamas didn't eat it either time i tried. Then I got one that died naturally, and he snapped it up. Coincidence?

[Jendee]

maybe he just likes live Guineas...and the rest is coincidence. I know some won't eat live some won't eat dead...some like certain critters...I've even heard of snakes prefering certain colors. I think our pets are alot more selective then ppl think

[snakekid6996]

ihvbWLIYVCBLWicb;ASOCLIBV....NEVER DOING THAT AGAIN </3... :c

[Corey209]

How easy is it to breed rats without getting overwhelmed? The closest rat feeders in my area are 30 minutes away and I don't always have the time or gas for that. I'll need to breed enough for three snakes a week.

[Jendee]

it wouldn't be worth the headache for only 3 snakes IMO you should order out but order enough for like 6 months

[Corey209]

it wouldn't be worth the headache for only 3 snakes IMO you should order out but order enough for like 6 months

My BP was raised on live and the two boas I have both were raised on prekilled but they eat live. If I were to breed how many pairs would I need to feed three snakes weekly? and if I were to switch to F/T is it a pain to get them to switch normally or does it depend on the snake? I noticed my BP and hypo aren't very picky and strike fast but the bigger boa likes to check out the prey first.

[Corey209]

ihvbWLIYVCBLWicb;ASOCLIBV....NEVER DOING THAT AGAIN </3... :c

What method? :p

[iBaman]

maybe he just likes live Guineas...and the rest is coincidence. I know some won't eat live some won't eat dead...some like certain critters...I've even heard of snakes prefering certain colors. I think our pets are alot more selective then ppl think

nope, i kill them all before. guineas are evil. rabbits...well...i wasn't sure the rabbit was the right size (it was much to big), but he didn't even strike it. he rarely strikes live guineas, he prefers dead (had a run in with a rat the first and last time i fed live)

[Jendee]

well lol maybe the sickly ones are extra smelly..weird lol

[snakekid6996]

What method? :p
put it in a pillow case and wack hard against wall... I hit to hard the first or second time and the pillow case ripped and the rat flew out and the body fplit and guts flew out everywhere...KGVCKGSVC.. I almost threw up..I did it to hard, because I didn't wana do it to soft and hurt it and not have it die.

[Corey209]

put it in a pillow case and wack hard against wall... I hit to hard the first or second time and the pillow case ripped and the rat flew out and the body fplit and guts flew out everywhere...KGVCKGSVC.. I almost threw up..I did it to hard, because I didn't wana do it to soft and hurt it and not have it die.

That's... unpleasant..

[snakekid6996]

That's... unpleasant..

at the very least

[Corey209]

at the very least

You should have just went Hitler on them.

[dinosaurdammit]

put it in a pillow case and wack hard against wall... I hit to hard the first or second time and the pillow case ripped and the rat flew out and the body fplit and guts flew out everywhere...KGVCKGSVC.. I almost threw up..I did it to hard, because I didn't wana do it to soft and hurt it and not have it die.

did you see the video i did for you? try that, no guts, no blood and its pretty easy to do.

[Aaron_S]

I guess I'm old school.

I take them by the tail and with the right hit they are out and dead and then fed.

[poison123]

I just give them one good hit on a rock and there out

[Gungirl]

I used to use co2 but I am impatient and got tired of waiting. Now I snap necks.. doesn't bother me at all, Never been bitten.

[Jendee]

one of my dumbo litters :) I could never kill these guys eye to eye lol too cute and to fun breed!!
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg283/cpblsoup/47519_4959108654924_627250632_n_zps41762ff2.jpg

[Gungirl]

Ehh cute or not it is a life cycle. I break the necks never been bothered. I also hunt so I think that might desensitize me a bit. Otherwise maybe I am just a bit off.. Im ok with it either way :)

[Tracy33]

After reading this thead , i am glad i buy frozen rats . I had no idea of the cruelty to these rats and mice . I dont think it should be down to anyone to take a life in such a inhumane way. I know you will be all thinking that i am a wimp, but its just the way i feel, and there is no need for it.

[KORBIN5895]

After reading this thead , i am glad i buy frozen rats . I had no idea of the cruelty to these rats and mice . I dont think it should be down to anyone to take a life in such a inhumane way. I know you will be all thinking that i am a wimp, but its just the way i feel, and there is no need for it.

Actually my paint scraper method is the most humane way I know.

[snakekid6996]

Actually my paint scraper method is the most humane way I know.

What's the paint scraper method??

[Mark Taylor]

What's the paint scraper method??

He sticks them to the wall then scrapes them of what do you think:no:

[Gungirl]

What's the paint scraper method??

Place the paint scraper blade right behind the head and push down. cervical dislocation instantly.

[KORBIN5895]

The pillow case really isn't a good idea. Put it on the floor and place a paint scraper at the back of the head then push forward and down. Problem solved with no pain.

What's the paint scraper method??

That was on page four of this thread.....

[Aaron_S]

After reading this thead , i am glad i buy frozen rats . I had no idea of the cruelty to these rats and mice . I dont think it should be down to anyone to take a life in such a inhumane way. I know you will be all thinking that i am a wimp, but its just the way i feel, and there is no need for it.

How do you think you get yours? Silly lady.

Ever see blood on yours? Maybe around the nose or anything? Hopefully not because then at least they used Co2. If there is blood. They were whacked.

[dinosaurdammit]

What's the paint scraper method??


I actually made you a video describing every step

[Corey209]

I actually made you a video describing every step

I think he missed the video, which led to the whole guts all over his room thing...

[dinosaurdammit]

WARNING: VIDEO CONTAINS HOW TO EUTHANIZE PREY ITEMS USING THE "PAINT SCRAPER" METHOD

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For the op since he missed it I guess

[Tracy33]

How do you think you get yours? Silly lady.

Ever see blood on yours? Maybe around the nose or anything? Hopefully not because then at least they used Co2. If there is blood. They were whacked.
But i am led to understand they are put to sleep , and this seems a nicer way than stuff i am seeing here , like the pillow case or a freezer, etc etc. At the end of the day ,i dont like any of it , not even the way i get them, but if it is instant , i can handle it , and it just seems some people know how to do it right , and some have not a clue. Tracy.

[SnakeyJay]

But i am led to understand they are put to sleep , and this seems a nicer way than stuff i am seeing here , like the pillow case or a freezer, etc etc. At the end of the day ,i dont like any of it , not even the way i get them, but if it is instant , i can handle it , and it just seems some people know how to do it right , and some have not a clue. Tracy.

But you own an animal that slowly asphyxiates their prey.. Most of these methods are more humane than that.. I very much doubt a petshop supplier is going to snap necks so the ones your using have probably suffered.

[Lankyrob]

But i am led to understand they are put to sleep , and this seems a nicer way than stuff i am seeing here , like the pillow case or a freezer, etc etc. At the end of the day ,i dont like any of it , not even the way i get them, but if it is instant , i can handle it , and it just seems some people know how to do it right , and some have not a clue. Tracy.

Small time breeders of home breeders that feed off their rats may use cervical dislocation but those that are euthanizing hundreds or thousands of rats are more likely to gas them just due to efficiency. :)

[Tracy33]

But you own an animal that slowly asphyxiates their prey.. Most of these methods are more humane than that.. I very much doubt a petshop supplier is going to snap necks so the ones your using have probably suffered.
How do you mean they have suffered ? I am told they use gas as Rob has said , and even the method on the video would not be so bad if it was done quick , but it is not!!!

[Tracy33]

Small time breeders of home breeders that feed off their rats may use cervical dislocation but those that are euthanizing hundreds or thousands of rats are more likely to gas them just due to efficiency. :)
I agree with that Rob , as you say due to the amount of them, which in my eyes is a nicer way. I know snakes do what they do , but i could not take it in to my own hands to kill anything, from getting it wrong , and the animal suffers.

[jarich]

Though the cervical dislocation method in that video may look like it takes a long time, it is actually very quick and almost entirely painless. The second the dislocation happens, they stop having the ability to feel anything. The legs may still be twitching in that video, but no signals are being sent between the brain and the body at that point.

As for the pillow case method, it could be argued that it is one of the more humane ways. At least in that instance, the animal is probably not really stressed out beforehand as it is in a close, confined area until the moment of death, which is very quick again, if done correctly.

Either way, when owning a snake you must come to terms with the fact that either you, or someone else for you, is breeding an animal for the sole purpose of killing it for the feeding of another animal. While I agree it should be something that happens as quickly and painlessly as possible, it seems like you are simply trying to ignore the nature of that process entirely. Your squeamishness about it seems more like you wanting to pretend it doesnt happen, by making someone else do it where you dont have to be a part of it. (It could be argued that this separation was what paved the way for the torture of domesticated animals in the modern meat industry. But I digress) Morally and philosophically, that is a much worse position than just owning up to the action in a personal way, in my opinion.

[Tracy33]

Though the cervical dislocation method in that video may look like it takes a long time, it is actually very quick and almost entirely painless. The second the dislocation happens, they stop having the ability to feel anything. The legs may still be twitching in that video, but no signals are being sent between the brain and the body at that point.

As for the pillow case method, it could be argued that it is one of the more humane ways. At least in that instance, the animal is probably not really stressed out beforehand as it is in a close, confined area until the moment of death, which is very quick again, if done correctly.

Either way, when owning a snake you must come to terms with the fact that either you, or someone else for you, is breeding an animal for the sole purpose of killing it for the feeding of another animal. While I agree it should be something that happens as quickly and painlessly as possible, it seems like you are simply trying to ignore the nature of that process entirely. Your squeamishness about it seems more like you wanting to pretend it doesnt happen, by making someone else do it where you dont have to be a part of it. (It could be argued that this separation was what paved the way for the torture of domesticated animals in the modern meat industry. But I digress) Morally and philosophically, that is a much worse position than just owning up to the action in a personal way, in my opinion.
I realise what you are saying over all about nature, i do not ignore any of it ( i wish i could ) , but even the cerrvica dislocation method , the animal is under stress when the blade is placed, and then it is slowly streched, would anyone like that done to them !!! As for the pillow case method, as you say "if it is done correctly" which sometimes i am sure it is not. Yes i do take it personal, and i believe gas is best. I think if people own snakes for pets like you and i , that than we are people who surely respect life , i would have thought ,in any form , and that is my argument ! Tracy.

[Lankyrob]

I realise what you are saying over all about nature, i do not ignore any of it ( i wish i could ) , but even the cerrvica dislocation method , the animal is under stress when the blade is placed, and then it is slowly streched, would anyone like that done to them !!! As for the pillow case method, as you say "if it is done correctly" which sometimes i am sure it is not. Yes i do take it personal, and i believe gas is best. I think if people own snakes for pets like you and i , that than we are people who surely respect life , i would have thought ,in any form , and that is my argument ! Tracy.

We all respect all animal life which is why we kill our prey items quickly. The cervical dislocation isnt done slowly, at least not when i have done it, i think they may have slowed things down for the video.

At the end of the day we keep carnivorous animals and they have to eat, i am also a carnivore and have to eat. I know that my food is killed humanely and i know that my snakes' food is killed humanely also.

If this isnt enough then i would become vegan but i loves me a juicy steak ;)

[dinosaurdammit]

I realise what you are saying over all about nature, i do not ignore any of it ( i wish i could ) , but even the cerrvica dislocation method , the animal is under stress when the blade is placed, and then it is slowly streched, would anyone like that done to them !!! As for the pillow case method, as you say "if it is done correctly" which sometimes i am sure it is not. Yes i do take it personal, and i believe gas is best. I think if people own snakes for pets like you and i , that than we are people who surely respect life , i would have thought ,in any form , and that is my argument ! Tracy.

Its not slow. Its a delibrate pull. There is no blade either, its just a metal bar to pin the head. Gassing from what Ive seen is worse. They look for air and struggle before finally being choked todeath. With CD their brain is unpluged. Pulling out their spine is WAY quicker than the gas. If you really want no pain in gasses use CO, carbon MONOxcide. Othersies your co2 can cause:

flushed skin
full pulse
tachypnea
dyspnea
extrasystoles
muscle twitches
hand flaps
reduced neural activity
raised blood pressure
headache
confusion
lethargy
increased cardiac output
elevation in arterial blood pressure
arrhythmias
disorientation
panic
hyperventilation
convulsions
unconsciousness
and eventually death



sometimes they linger. Unplugging happens in an instant. They also watch all their rat friends die. This adds stress of mass gassing

[SnakeyJay]

How do you mean they have suffered ? I am told they use gas as Rob has said , and even the method on the video would not be so bad if it was done quick , but it is not!!!

Gas isn't painless..... It's just like suffocating if they're not knocked out with a lower amount of gas first.

[Aaron_S]

Its not slow. Its a delibrate pull. There is no blade either, its just a metal bar to pin the head. Gassing from what Ive seen is worse. They look for air and struggle before finally being choked todeath. With CD their brain is unpluged. Pulling out their spine is WAY quicker than the gas. If you really want no pain in gasses use CO, carbon MONOxcide. Othersies your co2 can cause:

flushed skin
full pulse
tachypnea
dyspnea
extrasystoles
muscle twitches
hand flaps
reduced neural activity
raised blood pressure
headache
confusion
lethargy
increased cardiac output
elevation in arterial blood pressure
arrhythmias
disorientation
panic
hyperventilation
convulsions
unconsciousness
and eventually death



sometimes they linger. Unplugging happens in an instant. They also watch all their rat friends die. This adds stress of mass gassing

Yeaaahhh....I'm still not doing that for dozens of rodents. My stomach gets sick after about 12 from actual experience.

Either way, whatever works for you.

[dinosaurdammit]

Yeaaahhh....I'm still not doing that for dozens of rodents. My stomach gets sick after about 12 from actual experience.

Either way, whatever works for you.


I have grown rather fond of the sound. Idk why but its a unique POP

[Tracy33]

Ok all , if the killing of these animals are done quick, i can handle it, as Rob had said we as humans eat meat, we do what we have to do . Its just that some people find that its a joke, at the cost of animals lifes , and thats what gets me. Some people tell me that people who own snakes are weird, because they like to watch their snake eat live prey, of course that is another story. Tracy.

[SnakeyJay]

I think your taking things to heart. Would you rather people do what they have to do with a depressed look on their face, or have a laugh about it to lighten the mood.. Either way it's got to be done to keep these animals so may as well do it with a smile in my opinion. ;)

[Lankyrob]

I think your taking things to heart. Would you rather people do what they have to do with a depressed look on their face, or have a laugh about it to lighten the mood.. Either way it's got to be done to keep these animals so may as well do it with a smile in my opinion. ;)

As long as the prey item isnt suffering in the process. There is a big difference in doing it with a smile quickly and painlessly and those sad ****ers on youtube who taunt live prey and make it suffer for their entertainment ;) (i honestly dont think ANYONE on this site falls into the second category) :robo:

[Tracy33]

As long as the prey item isnt suffering in the process. There is a big difference in doing it with a smile quickly and painlessly and those sad ****ers on youtube who taunt live prey and make it suffer for their entertainment ;) (i honestly dont think ANYONE on this site falls into the second category) :robo:
Exactly , those are the people i am talking about Rob.

[Corey209]

So I had to feed the anaconda a medium rat and I didn't realize they were so big. Since he didn't take it off the tongs I decided to go with cranial destruction so I can leave it inside the enclosure prekilled. I don't think I'm ever going to do it that way again.. I had used a small hammer and dinked him in the head which made blood flow like a hose out of his mouth. Messy and felt inhumane, next time I'm using co2.