new to this forum, also, some help from the experienced

[yoimjohn]

im looking for a new pet.

ive owned a few lizards in the past, green anoles, iguanas, and a tegu.

i no longer have any of these, but a 50 gallon tank, and another 40 gallon tank.


Options: (no lizards please)(no spiders)
snakes
scorpions


i want a snake whose environment is pretty easy, as in keeping a low humidity. i find that with my reptiles ive had a terrible time trying to keep the humidity up, it would disperse by the hour which is annoying



any pet i havent listed you think i might be interested in, feel free to let me know! my knowledge isn't too vast

[infernalis]

Any small bodied Colubrid snake would be awesome in either tank.

[Gungirl]

Corn snakes are simple, wide color selection and fairly inexpensive.

http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee454/KAMacie/Ivan/DSCF0453.jpg

[yoimjohn]

Any small bodied Colubrid snake would be awesome in either tank.

are they common in shops?


also, im feeling the colubrid over the corn snake.. never was a fan of the corn snake specifically.

[Aaron_S]

Cornsnake = colubrid

[yoimjohn]

how does a rhino rat snake compare to a colubrid?

[yoimjohn]

well how about the cornsnake specifically, im not a fan of.

if thats a sub-species of the colubrid so be it, not interested

[infernalis]

Colubrid is a classification of snakes that is really broad.

Rat snakes, Corns (another variation of Rat Snake), Thamnophis, Nerodia, Lampropeltis (King snakes & Milk Snakes), Storeria, Racers and green snakes are all just a few of the Colubrid group.

Here is what my Thamnophis collection looks like.

Garter Snakes (http://www.thamnophis.net/Gartersnakes/index.html)

There are some stunning snakes to look at. Super easy to care for, Hardy, Active, inquisitive and are out during the day when you are awake to see them.

[reptile65]

are they common in shops?


also, im feeling the colubrid over the corn snake.. never was a fan of the corn snake specifically.

As mentioned, corn snakes are colubrids. And yes, they are very common in pet shops.

Some other commonly kept colubrids are king snakes and milk snakes, although I've always been a bigger fan of corns. Kings and milks are often more flighty, but they can still make nice pets.

As Wayne said, garters are awesome, especially if you want a nice display snake. They are very active during the day and you can have a lot of fun designing their enclosure. Also, a lot of garter species can be kept in groups, so if you have a large enough tank, you can have more than one snake.

[snakekid6996]

*cough* milk snake *cough* :D

[KORBIN5895]

Personally I would fix your humidity issue by modifying the lids on the tanks. If you don't you will still have humidity issues with whatever snake you choose. Also by fixing the humidity issue you have a broader selection of animals to choose from.

I assume you have a wire or mesh lid on the tank.

[yoimjohn]

alright im looking for some cool colored snakes, that can live in less humid temperature, and somewhat easy to train since early age

are the snakes listed above besides king and milk snakes all easy to train have hang on you

[Gungirl]

You can't "train" a snake..

[Corey209]

how does a rhino rat snake compare to a colubrid?

This is only one experience but my brother had a whole lot of problems getting his rhino rat to eat and it was extremely shy.

[Revenant]

If you are specifically looking for a snake that doesn't have much of a humidity requirement, I wouldn't suggest a rhino rat. They're not the worst for having trouble with low humidity, but they are going to need more than most of the suggested kings or milks. If you really want one, then you'll want to address your humidity issues.

Kings and milks have a crazy variety of colors, should be one that nearly anyone considers 'good'.

[yoimjohn]

also, im starting to consider a red tail boa constricter.

is a 50 gallon tank to small for adult size though?

let me correct myselif, im looking for a docile snake, not too long 10 ft max.
not to hard to keep up on humidity wise cause i dont want to buy another tank if i dont gotta

[Kettennatter]

also, im starting to consider a red tail boa constricter.

is a 50 gallon tank to small for adult size though?

Boas have both temperature and humidity requirements. As much as I love my boa, I would stick with a domestic snake (colubrid) if you want an easy setup.

From king snakes, to corn snakes up to bull snakes: Most of the domestic snakes are relatively easy to maintain, because they are used to our climate.

[Calihusker]

All in all, I think you should do a good pileup of solo research before purchasing any snake, since your knowledge primarily lies in lizards.

[KORBIN5895]

Boas have both temperature and humidity requirements. As much as I love my boa, I would stick with a domestic snake (colubrid) if you want an easy setup.

From king snakes, to corn snakes up to bull snakes: Most of the domestic snakes are relatively easy to maintain, because they are used to our climate.

This is solid advice.

From your posts I don't think you are committed to making it work. You really need to stick to a room temperature snake like corns and garters. You have already been told that you should fix your lid so the humidity can stabilize and yet you ignore it. Also seeing as this is your first snake I would get something less than six feet.

Corns come in many amazing colors and patterns for under $200. The 50 gallon will last it for life. They are cheap to feed and easy to Rehome.

As for boas, I always recommend one but not this time. They need higher humidity than you seem willing to provide. They can get expensive to feed as they get older. A fifty gallon really won't adequately house one over 4.5 feet. I had a 7.5 foot female and she was easy enough for me to handle but not many people would've been able to do it. A ten foot boa will require two people to handle.

[SnakeyJay]

Boas have both temperature and humidity requirements. As much as I love my boa, I would stick with a domestic snake (colubrid) if you want an easy setup.

From king snakes, to corn snakes up to bull snakes: Most of the domestic snakes are relatively easy to maintain, because they are used to our climate.

Domestic snakes? This is new.... Which snakes would you consider domesticated. :)

[KORBIN5895]

Domestic snakes? This is new.... Which snakes would you consider domesticated. :)

I think he meant American continental snakes

[yoimjohn]

well i plan on doing more research, im goingto go look at some snakes around in the area, see if they got anything im interested in

so are ball pythons the only very docile snake in the 4-6 foot range?

and if im right they will need a humidity system, unless someone can point me in the direction of the same snake but a subspecies that can do good with 30-40 percent humidity, n during the summer a little higher but not to much.

[SnakeyJay]

I think he meant American continental snakes

Ah I get you... So the humidity needs is on par with the local environment... :)

[Calihusker]

well i plan on doing more research, im goingto go look at some snakes around in the area, see if they got anything im interested in

so are ball pythons the only very docile snake in the 4-6 foot range?

and if im right they will need a humidity system, unless someone can point me in the direction of the same snake but a subspecies that can do good with 30-40 percent humidity, n during the summer a little higher but not to much.

There are tons of docile snakes in the 4-6 foot range.

BP's are an example, but there are also Spotted Pythons, Childrens Pythons, Hognoses, and many colubrids. None of these snakes need a humidity system, but in my opinion, buy a plastic bin (sterilite etc.) and drill some air holes in the sides. Make sure it has a locking or tight snap-on style lid. This is perfect for the snakes I listed and you only need to mist every once in awhile. Maybe once or twice a week depending on your substrate.
(Hognose is a colubrid)

[infernalis]

Domestic snakes? This is new.... Which snakes would you consider domesticated. :)

Judging by the wording, I would bet this means "Pet trade" snakes.

[Kettennatter]

I think he meant American continental snakes

Indeed. Garters can be found pretty much across the street and in neighbors' basements. King Snakes can be found even in Los Angeles, etc.

In summary, a snake that could be found in your house is most likely one that is easy to keep in a simple setup.

[Aaron_S]

There are tons of docile snakes in the 4-6 foot range.

BP's are an example, but there are also Spotted Pythons, Childrens Pythons, Hognoses, and many colubrids. None of these snakes need a humidity system, but in my opinion, buy a plastic bin (sterilite etc.) and drill some air holes in the sides. Make sure it has a locking or tight snap-on style lid. This is perfect for the snakes I listed and you only need to mist every once in awhile. Maybe once or twice a week depending on your substrate.
(Hognose is a colubrid)

None of the snakes you listed get to 4 feet. I have bred the spotteds before and they are of the larger one's in that family of pythons.


You made some good points though later on.


For docile snakes in the 4 - 6 foot range WITH colour and no humidity I would consider a gopher, bull or pine snake. In particular the gopher and bull snakes. They have plenty of morphs and are easily kept. Problem is sometimes they aren't so nice no matter what.

Otherwise, honestly, get a corn snake. Don't look at it like a "basic" snake because I can tell that's what you're doing. You want the "cool" factor. Corns are plainly just awesome to keep.

[Corey209]

This makes me want to get a coxi...

[Calihusker]

None of the snakes you listed get to 4 feet. I have bred the spotteds before and they are of the larger one's in that family of pythons.


You made some good points though later on.


For docile snakes in the 4 - 6 foot range WITH colour and no humidity I would consider a gopher, bull or pine snake. In particular the gopher and bull snakes. They have plenty of morphs and are easily kept. Problem is sometimes they aren't so nice no matter what.

Otherwise, honestly, get a corn snake. Don't look at it like a "basic" snake because I can tell that's what you're doing. You want the "cool" factor. Corns are plainly just awesome to keep.

He said 4-6 Ft. All of the snakes I listed except for hognose can achieve those lengths.

[iBaman]

I would say hognose. Cute, colorful, easy...and did i mention cute?!

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu2/viaaf/Miscellany/HogHetF_18Aug09.jpg

say no to that face. I dare you =P

[Kettennatter]

well how about the cornsnake specifically, im not a fan of.

if thats a sub-species of the colubrid so be it, not interested

Could you let us know what you don't like about corn snakes? That might further restrict the choices when we suggest other colubrids. Thanks.

[yoimjohn]

because i want to have a 4-5 foot snake chilling with me in my room when im playin xbox. i might even setup a little outside-of-tank tree branches in my room in the corner on a shelf for him to play with an climb.

basically i just want a chill snake thats gunna chill n isnt gunna get lost so easily after it grows up if i let it roam around the room. does anyone think thats a bad idea btw? regardless if i can let it roam around my room when im home i want it..

i might get a corn snake additionally.. possibly, but regardless i do want a 4-5 ft snake. i would even go for a 10ft, but im goingto have to step in myself n let myself gain experience an some groundwork in the snake world

[yoimjohn]

thanks calihusker ima do what your talking about temporarily if it doesnt fit well inside my tank.

until i build a good enclosure for it

[infernalis]

Then most colubrids would be out of the question, they do anything BUT "chill" when you let them out.

[Aaron_S]

because i want to have a 4-5 foot snake chilling with me in my room when im playin xbox. i might even setup a little outside-of-tank tree branches in my room in the corner on a shelf for him to play with an climb.

basically i just want a chill snake thats gunna chill n isnt gunna get lost so easily after it grows up if i let it roam around the room. does anyone think thats a bad idea btw? regardless if i can let it roam around my room when im home i want it..

i might get a corn snake additionally.. possibly, but regardless i do want a 4-5 ft snake. i would even go for a 10ft, but im goingto have to step in myself n let myself gain experience an some groundwork in the snake world



Legit...facepalm...I'll let the others give the advice...it's just too much for me...



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[EmbraceCalamity]

because i want to have a 4-5 foot snake chilling with me in my room when im playin xbox. i might even setup a little outside-of-tank tree branches in my room in the corner on a shelf for him to play with an climb.

basically i just want a chill snake thats gunna chill n isnt gunna get lost so easily after it grows up if i let it roam around the room. does anyone think thats a bad idea btw? regardless if i can let it roam around my room when im home i want it..

i might get a corn snake additionally.. possibly, but regardless i do want a 4-5 ft snake. i would even go for a 10ft, but im goingto have to step in myself n let myself gain experience an some groundwork in the snake worldI'm not gonna comment on the rest of that, but I'm pretty sure corns can get 4-5 feet.

~Maggot

[Calihusker]

because i want to have a 4-5 foot snake chilling with me in my room when im playin xbox. i might even setup a little outside-of-tank tree branches in my room in the corner on a shelf for him to play with an climb.

basically i just want a chill snake thats gunna chill n isnt gunna get lost so easily after it grows up if i let it roam around the room. does anyone think thats a bad idea btw? regardless if i can let it roam around my room when im home i want it..

i might get a corn snake additionally.. possibly, but regardless i do want a 4-5 ft snake. i would even go for a 10ft, but im goingto have to step in myself n let myself gain experience an some groundwork in the snake world

I wouldn't allow your snake to explore without supervision, you never know what it could get itself into. You'd be surprised.

If you want a chillaxing snake you would probably just want to move up to boas. I know they aren't recommended as starter snakes, but my first snake was a 7ft. Central American boa, and I did fine.

I recommend a central american male boa, purchase a 2012 or 2011, and use a bin/tub setup. But make sure to do your research first.

That's just my opinion.

Cheers

[Calihusker]

thanks calihusker ima do what your talking about temporarily if it doesnt fit well inside my tank.

until i build a good enclosure for it

Believe it or not, bins work exceptionally well for snakes, if not better when it comes to glass enclosures.

[CK SandBoas]

because i want to have a 4-5 foot snake chilling with me in my room when im playin xbox. i might even setup a little outside-of-tank tree branches in my room in the corner on a shelf for him to play with an climb.

basically i just want a chill snake thats gunna chill n isnt gunna get lost so easily after it grows up if i let it roam around the room. does anyone think thats a bad idea btw? regardless if i can let it roam around my room when im home i want it..

i might get a corn snake additionally.. possibly, but regardless i do want a 4-5 ft snake. i would even go for a 10ft, but im goingto have to step in myself n let myself gain experience an some groundwork in the snake world

Well, if you want a snake that's just gonna "chill" with you, might i suggest a stuffed animal........... because honestly, with what you're wanting, that's pretty much all you can handle at the moment, in my opinion.....

[EmbraceCalamity]

Well, if you want a snake that's just gonna "chill" with you, might i suggest a stuffed animal........... because honestly, with what you're wanting, that's pretty much all you can handle at the moment, in my opinion.....I like this suggestion.

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?.out=jpg&size=l&tid=11721382

Voila!

~Maggot

[yoimjohn]

I wouldn't allow your snake to explore without supervision, you never know what it could get itself into. You'd be surprised.

If you want a chillaxing snake you would probably just want to move up to boas. I know they aren't recommended as starter snakes, but my first snake was a 7ft. Central American boa, and I did fine.

I recommend a central american male boa, purchase a 2012 or 2011, and use a bin/tub setup. But make sure to do your research first.

That's just my opinion.

Cheers

i havent done much research though yet on snakes i guess to not know this answer, but im curious to how you would use a basking lamp and such specific lighting on a plastic container

[Calihusker]

i havent done much research though yet on snakes i guess to not know this answer, but im curious to how you would use a basking lamp and such specific lighting on a plastic container

Snakes don't require light-related heat sources. Under-tank heaters for bins.

And I HIGHLY recommend you do an extensive amount of research before taking on the responsibility of a snake.

[yoimjohn]

ohh boy, well the american python needs around a 55percent humidity... i can't garauntee that..

it would most likely be 50 Tops 20-30 average.. spraying is no problem if it will help. with the bin enclosure im guessing i can get away with higher humidity.

[Calihusker]

ohh boy, well the american python needs around a 55percent humidity... i can't garauntee that..

it would most likely be 50 Tops 20-30 average.. spraying is no problem if it will help. with the bin enclosure im guessing i can get away with higher humidity.

If you have a bin setup, the holes are on the sides and not the top. This traps in humidity. So, combined with good substrate and a spray every once in awhile you would be fine.

Take this from a guy who lives in Arizona, it's extremely dry here.

[Aaron_S]

Might I suggest...


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/godzilla99/pet-rock_zpsc1adf524.jpg

[Revenant]

ohh boy, well the american python needs around a 55percent humidity... i can't garauntee that..

it would most likely be 50 Tops 20-30 average.. spraying is no problem if it will help. with the bin enclosure im guessing i can get away with higher humidity.

Aside from Terry Gilliam, what is an American Python? I'm not familiar with that common name.

[yoimjohn]

listen man, go play spellcheck police somewhere else, just please, by all means stop wasting your time on this post if your goingto have a bitchfit, goes to the rest of you losers with literally nothing better to do then hinder some guy trying to figure **** out

[yoimjohn]

also, im heavily considering a dwarf boa.

i just dont want it to be Too thin.

also 3-4 ft would be excellent! as long as it DEFF will get to 4 ft.

[infernalis]

listen man, go play spellcheck police somewhere else, just please, by all means stop wasting your time on this post if your goingto have a bitchfit, goes to the rest of you losers with literally nothing better to do then hinder some guy trying to figure **** out

I don't think it has anything to do with grammar or spelling.

Here's what has everyone so riled, and I wish someone would clear the air........

Allowing any snake to free roam inside your dwelling is not in the animal's best interest.

What you are asking is to satisfy your needs, and not the snake's.

I already figured this discussion would go south, that's why I have been keeping an eye on it.

Please re-think the whole concept of allowing a snake to roam around while you play x-box.

I have seen snakes clear off an entire shelfing unit before, it happens quick.

[Corey209]

listen man, go play spellcheck police somewhere else, just please, by all means stop wasting your time on this post if your goingto have a bitchfit, goes to the rest of you losers with literally nothing better to do then hinder some guy trying to figure **** out

Everyone has been nothing but nice to you after all your stupid comments. Please don't buy a snake because it will end up dead or in rescue.

[KORBIN5895]

also, im heavily considering a dwarf boa.

i just dont want it to be Too thin.

also 3-4 ft would be excellent! as long as it DEFF will get to 4 ft.

You should heavily consider a pet rock or a chia pet.

[yoimjohn]

gracefully bowing out of these unhelpful forums.

never had this problem with any other forum!

always a first right!

[EmbraceCalamity]

gracefully bowing out of these unhelpful forums.

never had this problem with any other forum!

always a first right!I pity whatever animal you inevitably acquire. People here are extremely helpful if you'll actually take the help. You can't be a douche to everyone and ignore their suggestions and then get pissy because they don't give you help.

~Maggot

[Corey209]

You should heavily consider a pet rock or a chia pet.

Snakes & Reptiles | The Evolution Store (http://theevolutionstore.com/store/reptiles/)
He can handle one of these with literally no humidity or heat. This is what he's asking for right?

[EmbraceCalamity]

Snakes & Reptiles | The Evolution Store (http://theevolutionstore.com/store/reptiles/)
He can handle one of these with literally no humidity or heat. This is what he's asking for right?That is just...so awesome.

EDIT: Nevermind. I thought those were figurines, not actual dead reptiles. =/

~Maggot

[Corey209]

That is just...so awesome.

EDIT: Nevermind. I thought those were figurines, not actual dead reptiles. =/

~Maggot

Nothing wrong with taxidermy, it'd make a good office ornament and it helps people deal with their pets death.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Nothing wrong with taxidermy, it'd make a good office ornament and it helps people deal with their pets death.Don't have anything against taxidermy itself, but I seriously doubt all of their specimens are pets who passed away. Plus I'd feel weird having a dead animal as an ornament.

~Maggot

[Corey209]

Don't have anything against taxidermy itself, but I seriously doubt all of their specimens are pets who passed away. Plus I'd feel weird having a dead animal as an ornament.

~Maggot

I doubt they're killing an expensive gtp for taxidermy. The reptile "museum" in my local area does it for people who want to remember their reptiles

[EmbraceCalamity]

I doubt they're killing an expensive gtp for taxidermy. The reptile "museum" in my local area does it for people who want to remember their reptilesAnd sells them? I'm not just talking about the reptiles though. If every single animal they have on there is an animal that died a natural death, that's cool. But I'm disinclined to believe that.

And, again, using a dead animal as an ornament just weirds me out. Would much prefer figurines.

~Maggot

[infernalis]

Plus I'd feel weird having a dead animal as an ornament.

~Maggot

Bingo!

I could not have a carcass for a decoration.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Bingo!

I could not have a carcass for a decoration.I love my pets, but I'd never want to have their skin taken off their bodies and stretched onto a piece of plastic and used as decoration. It's just weird to me.

~Maggot

[infernalis]

Nothing wrong with taxidermy

In itself, nothing wrong with Taxidermy, It's a great use for a hide that would otherwise just rot.

Now, here's where I DO have a problem with taxidermy... Poachers killing animals for the sole purpose of selling mounted animals.

[KORBIN5895]

In itself, nothing wrong with Taxidermy, It's a great use for a hide that would otherwise just rot.

Now, here's where I DO have a problem with taxidermy... Poachers killing animals for the sole purpose of selling mounted animals.

Most states have laws against selling taxidermied animals unless you can prove you purchased the animal or obtained it legally.

[infernalis]

Most states have laws against selling taxidermied animals unless you can prove you purchased the animal or obtained it legally.

You hit the nail on the head... states

However, I don't think the poachers care if customs seizes that gorilla hand from Joe tourist, because they already got paid on their end.

[Corey209]

Most states have laws against selling taxidermied animals unless you can prove you purchased the animal or obtained it legally.

I originally only posted the site as a joke, seeing as the only thing he could take care of would be a preserved animal.. lol but they obtained all their animals legally from what their site says.

[KORBIN5895]

I did taxidermy and it's pretty easy to get permits or receipts.

[Revenant]

You bastards, now I'll never know what the elusive American Python is. ;-)

[Kettennatter]

We probably should have also asked after the first post what his expectations regarding snake keeping were. This would have limited the back and forth quite a bit.

[Corey209]

We probably should have also asked after the first post what his expectations regarding snake keeping were. This would have limited the back and forth quite a bit.

He couldn't take care of a dog.

[EmbraceCalamity]

You bastards, now I'll never know what the elusive American Python is. ;-)I could think of a few things. ;)

~Maggot

[Aaron_S]

We probably should have also asked after the first post what his expectations regarding snake keeping were. This would have limited the back and forth quite a bit.

Good point. I'll remember to use that question.