Hey! updates on the Quinces :)

[jhinton6932]

http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q728/xeroday/indozoey002_zps690b6ecf.jpg
well its been bout 3 or 4 months since ive logged in here but theyve grown. i sold one of the females to a friend ( who is very good with monitors) as she wasnt getting along very well with the male (and i honestly didnt have the room to build ANOTHER seperate enclosure to house another adult quince ), so hopefully, i have some good luck with the male Indo and the female Zoey coming up in the future *fingers crossed*. they still dont like to eat roaches, just f/t mice and crawfish and sometimes a baby quail. they jump around the enclosure for most of the morning then vanish under the dirt. my favorite monitors ive ever had the pleasure of owning.

[BarelyBreathing]

Ah, beautiful.

[Pirarucu]

Looking good!

[jhinton6932]

i forgot to add i think they are both around the same age, probably about 9 months now and roughly 25 inches total length still aways to go and i got the adult enclosure planned out, just gota tear down the extra bedroom to build their habitat.

[Mark Taylor]

They look so happy nice job

[Jaymz]

Nice to see someone else keeping these :D

[jhinton6932]

well here this is the male quite some time ago just chilling by himself. refer to the one on the mainlog in the first pic (thats him)
http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q728/xeroday/477b5d8b_zpsa804060a.jpg

and this is the female before i gave (insisted on giving me payment lol) her to a good friend
http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q728/xeroday/lizard005_zps7ec1da30.jpg

im still not 100% sure on the sexes, but the two i have now look quite different as they have gotten older, in color and in the shape of the snout. i just make educated guesses based im past experiences with indo's.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Now I don't know because I'm not familiar with these. I'm speaking only out of my experience with geckos. I know with them, housing an immature pair can raise concerns about them breeding the second the female is physically ready but before it's ideal, which can cause health concerns. I take it that's not true for these guys?

~Maggot

[jhinton6932]

well im not entirely sure but here is my understanding, note im not stating this as a scientific fact cuz im not 100% :P. no, monitors are designed to reproduce VERY early. there's reports of them breeding successfully as early as 9 months (can live 15+ years in the wild and in captivity if cared for properly, probably a lot longer), but thats not my experience at all. and im sure other people mite even claim even earlier. they reproduce when they are ready to basically, and keep going foor as along as possible. they dont simply "burn out" like some folks claim.

[EmbraceCalamity]

well im not entirely sure but here is my understanding, note im not stating this as a scientific fact cuz im not 100% :P. no, monitors are designed to reproduce VERY early. there's reports of them breeding successfully as early as 9 months (can live 15+ years in the wild and in captivity if cared for properly, probably a lot longer), but thats not my experience at all. and im sure other people mite even claim even earlier. they reproduce when they are ready to basically, and keep going foor as along as possible. they dont simply "burn out" like some folks claim.All animals can technically breed early. My point was that with all other animals I'm aware of, they will breed as soon as they're physically capable but before it's ideal to keep them healthy. For example, two subadult geckos kept together will breed as soon as the female is physically ready, but it can result in issues because her body isn't at the ideal age and conditions. That's why it's not considered safe to house a male and female together until they're both of a certain age. It's like a 13 year old giving birth - possible? Yes. Ideal? No. So I'm just curious if that's not the case for these guys.

~Maggot

[jhinton6932]

All animals can technically breed early. My point was that with all other animals I'm aware of, they will breed as soon as they're physically capable but before it's ideal to keep them healthy. For example, two subadult geckos kept together will breed as soon as the female is physically ready, but it can result in issues because her body isn't at the ideal age and conditions. That's why it's not considered safe to house a male and female together until they're both of a certain age. It's like a 13 year old giving birth - possible? Yes. Ideal? No. So I'm just curious if that's not the case for these guys.

~Maggot

not in my experience, which ill admit is somewhat limited, but my father was breeding a different species as early as about 16-18 months when i was a teenager, and all of them did fine, healthy clutch size, healthy neonates, healthy parents, so im not entirely sure, crocdoc has proven very knowledgable in this area tho with his lacies, so he mite be better equipped to answer better

EDIT i hate this keybaord!

[Pirarucu]

All animals can technically breed early. My point was that with all other animals I'm aware of, they will breed as soon as they're physically capable but before it's ideal to keep them healthy. For example, two subadult geckos kept together will breed as soon as the female is physically ready, but it can result in issues because her body isn't at the ideal age and conditions. That's why it's not considered safe to house a male and female together until they're both of a certain age. It's like a 13 year old giving birth - possible? Yes. Ideal? No. So I'm just curious if that's not the case for these guys.

~MaggotMonitors typically will not breed unless the female is fully ready to lay eggs and stay healthy doing it. Breeding in monitors is much more complex than in geckos, and the female has a lot more say in the matter. In geckos, the worry is more that the male will rape the female, not that the female will happily start breeding as soon as she is ready, if I remember right.
Plus, while I'm not sure about geckos, female monitors will cycle and lay eggs with or without a male.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Monitors typically will not breed unless the female is fully ready to lay eggs and stay healthy doing it. Breeding in monitors is much more complex than in geckos, and the female has a lot more say in the matter. In geckos, the worry is more that the male will rape the female, not that the female will happily start breeding as soon as she is ready, if I remember right.
Plus, while I'm not sure about geckos, female monitors will cycle and lay eggs with or without a male.Geckos - as well as all other animals I'm familiar with - will breed willingly when they are technically of age. Sometimes the males are forceful, sometimes not. And some geckos will cycle and lay eggs without a male too.

~Maggot

[infernalis]

I have had enough snakes pass infertile "slugs" that I can say with a bit of confidence that I believe all reptiles will pass infertile eggs if she lives long enough.

Ovulation will happen, it's nature.

[EmbraceCalamity]

I have had enough snakes pass infertile "slugs" that I can say with a bit of confidence that I believe all reptiles will pass infertile eggs if she lives long enough.

Ovulation will happen, it's nature.So you don't have to worry about them breeding before the female is of ideal size and age?

~Maggot