mouth infection ahaetulla prasina

[JDherp]

Hi everyone, i recently bought a asain vine snake (A. prasina) at a reptile expo. im keeping her in a 35 gallon tall terrarium with proper fake leaves,vines, make shift trees that i made etc.. i have a humidifier keeping the humidity around 70-80 % according to my hygrometer and tempature is about 80 degrees celsius, so im sure on her habitat being correct as she eats fine. anyways what im worried is a couple days ago i noticed one side of her mouth not closing all the way and kinda like clear mucous when i inspected her mouth. her tounge is still forked not stuck together and i noticed a small black bump on near her spine to almost looks like a scab (im gonna try and get a clear pic of the bump and her mouth) im wondering if there is some kind of anti-bacterial substance i could apply to the infection. thanks in advance :D

[Corey209]

Hi everyone, i recently bought a asain vine snake (A. prasina) at a reptile expo. im keeping her in a 35 gallon tall terrarium with proper fake leaves,vines, make shift trees that i made etc.. i have a humidifier keeping the humidity around 70-80 % according to my hygrometer and tempature is about 80 degrees celsius, so im sure on her habitat being correct as she eats fine. anyways what im worried is a couple days ago i noticed one side of her mouth not closing all the way and kinda like clear mucous when i inspected her mouth. her tounge is still forked not stuck together and i noticed a small black bump on near her spine to almost looks like a scab (im gonna try and get a clear pic of the bump and her mouth) im wondering if there is some kind of anti-bacterial substance i could apply to the infection. thanks in advance :D

Take it to a vet, I know people who had WC's that had internal parasites making bumps.

[Snakeman8]

the mouth infection sounds like several differnt types, does it have any scars? blemishes? dry skin?

[JDherp]

i think the bumps are parasites as im almost positive this is a WC snake so that makes sence. when i gently open her mouth i notice a lot of mucus inside. she doesnt have dry skin the humidifier has two ports both in her tank that takes care of that, as for scars only one on her neck (u can see it in the one pic) a few blemishes but shes a snake that eats geckos and anoles and they have really tiny sharp claws and sometimes they are in the cage for a few days before she eats them. also i noticed her open her mouth like a yawn yesterday and shes making noises that bring up mucus and the odd small bubble out the end of her mouth. as for vets ive yet to find one around me that isnt an hour or two away that specializes in reptiles.

[Corey209]

i think the bumps are parasites as im almost positive this is a WC snake so that makes sence. when i gently open her mouth i notice a lot of mucus inside. she doesnt have dry skin the humidifier has two ports both in her tank that takes care of that, as for scars only one on her neck (u can see it in the one pic) a few blemishes but shes a snake that eats geckos and anoles and they have really tiny sharp claws and sometimes they are in the cage for a few days before she eats them. also i noticed her open her mouth like a yawn yesterday and shes making noises that bring up mucus and the odd small bubble out the end of her mouth. as for vets ive yet to find one around me that isnt an hour or two away that specializes in reptiles.

My brothers red tail green rat snake had parasites similar but red bumps. He used a humidifer and it gave the snake respiratory infection. You should invest in a mister and not a humidifer.

[EmbraceCalamity]

as for scars only one on her neck (u can see it in the one pic) a few blemishes but shes a snake that eats geckos and anoles and they have really tiny sharp claws and sometimes they are in the cage for a few days before she eats them. Is that really a good idea to leave something that can seriously harm your snake in with it for days on end? I know you're not supposed to leave live rats or mice in with snakes, and I'm sure the same would apply to geckos and anoles.

~Maggot

[shaunyboy]

Is that really a good idea to leave something that can seriously harm your snake in with it for days on end? I know you're not supposed to leave live rats or mice in with snakes, and I'm sure the same would apply to geckos and anoles.

~Maggot

imo if your only sure and not 100%,about Live Gecko's and Anoles,being the same as Live Rats and Mice,would it not have been better to ask,the experienced keeper,IF it would apply the same,as far as the prey causing injury to the snake...

instead of trying to tare him a new one,over something you are unsure of in the first place

re feeding live
i'm pretty sure these species wild caught will only eat live at first ? (anyone,please feel free to correct me )

also they are pretty hard to keep from what i remember,problematic feeders ? again i am unsure if i'm remembering correctly (please correct me,if i got it wrong folks)



to the op
sounds like at best an upper respiratory infection,hopefully it's not deeper down...

imo it may be worth getting a fecial test done,while your already at the vets,about the mucas

shes a very beautifull snake...

her vibrant green,the head shape and those eyes...

if i was to keep anything other than a Carpet Python...then it would be an Asian Vine Snake,i love the way they look

cheers shaun

[EmbraceCalamity]

imo if your only sure and not 100%,about Live Gecko's and Anoles,being the same as Live Rats and Mice,would it not have been better to ask,the experienced keeper,IF it would apply the same,as far as the prey causing injury to the snake...

instead of trying to tare him a new one,over something you are unsure of in the first place

re feeding live
i'm pretty sure these species wild caught will only eat live at first ? (anyone,please feel free to correct me )
...What? How - in what dimension of reality - was I trying to "tare (sic) him a new one"? I asked if it was a good idea. You need to unbunch your panties.

~Maggot

[JDherp]

you do have a good point there, the anoles or geckos are to small to inflict any "serious" damage to her i just noticed they have sharp claws when i take them out of their enclosure to feed to her and they scratch me, i only put one in at a time to and even then its a max of two days before she eats it. also unlike rats or mice they dont have large incisors to chomp with, i never leave rats with my other snakes for more then half an hour. i breed and sell a small amount of rats and mice in my basement and save soo much money (enough to feed my python and corn) ive been bitten by rats before, actually got bit yesterday i made damn sure that rat got stunned good before i fed it to my python haha

[EmbraceCalamity]

you do have a good point there, the anoles or geckos are to small to inflict any "serious" damage to her i just noticed they have sharp claws when i take them out of their enclosure to feed to her and they scratch me, i only put one in at a time to and even then its a max of two days before she eats it. also unlike rats or mice they dont have large incisors to chomp with, i never leave rats with my other snakes for more then half an hour. i breed and sell a small amount of rats and mice in my basement and save soo much money (enough to feed my python and corn) ive been bitten by rats before, actually got bit yesterday i made damn sure that rat got stunned good before i fed it to my python hahaIt just seems to me that if they've managed to leave permanent scars, then they could do some serious damage, and it's just dumb luck that they haven't hit an eye or caused an infection. Just doesn't seem like a good idea.

~Maggot

[JDherp]

to the op
sounds like at best an upper respiratory infection,hopefully it's not deeper down...

imo it may be worth getting a fecial test done,while your already at the vets,about the mucas

shes a very beautifull snake...

her vibrant green,the head shape and those eyes...

if i was to keep anything other than a Carpet Python...then it would be an Asian Vine Snake,i love the way they look

cheers shaun

thanks she is an amazing snake along with being very beautiful - those eyes serve a purpose to ahaetullas use vision rather then sent to hunt prey! thats why the eyes are horizontal slotted rather than vertical - amazing snakes. and even tho she has mild venom ive never been bit nor has she ever stuck at me, i use distilled water in the humidifier so i hope the humidifier isnt the problem because it is so hard to keep the humidity at high level without it and she needs humidity or she wont eat. i have a dripper system in the tank as well because she only drinks water on leaves not from a bowl. that adds to the humidity as well. im still looking for a herp specialist around me in ontario since my snakes have never been sick i havnt looked to hard. i hope its only respitory which would make sence on the mucus sound sometimes when she breathes. cheers Jarrid

[JDherp]

It just seems to me that if they've managed to leave permanent scars, then they could do some serious damage, and it's just dumb luck that they haven't hit an eye or caused an infection. Just doesn't seem like a good idea.

~Maggot

your right shes lucky and imo any animal that eats live animals is going to have "the scars to prove it cause the chicks dig it" (yes i just referenced a country song :cool:) the scars were actually on her when i got her, she hasnt aquired any new ones. they could be from other snakes or from prey or preditors were she was captured from. i dont like the way humidity and glass terrarium go together, i have a feeling the sub terrain is getting stale and making her breath in stale air, so im goin right now to remove the sub terrain i have in there for paper towel for now and when boxing day comes im headed straight for big al's aquariums and getting the meter tall mesh terrarium for her when its on sale and some dang astro turf.

[JDherp]

:D good news peeps! after some research on causes of RTI in snakes and anti-biotics used to treat internal infections (snake anatomy is much similar to ours), i determined a fungal infection due to moldy sub-straight from the added humidity i have adapted for this snake. I was lucky and able to find a snake safe anti-biotic in my left over drug cabinet that was prescribed to me (its impossible to obtain any anti-biotic drug without a prescription from a doctor) and get and some vitamin b50 complex from the pharmacy. then cut both pills into 4 equal chunks each, crush the two together and mix into 2ml of distilled water in a small seringe. two days later she has her colour back, shes active again (she was nearly limp two days ago) shes flicking her tounge! the mucus is gone and her mouth is fully closed. im so happy, my first time being a vet and all it cost me was $12 for the vitamin b complex, and i few good hours of thoroughly cleaning out her tank, and all the foliage and branches with bleach. replaced sub-straight with paper towel. some pics of her back in action.