Goanna Lizard Wanted !!!!!!!!!!!!! [Archive]

ReptileSeeker

12-21-12, 08:13 PM

where do i buy Lace monitors and other Australian monitor lizards ?
ive looked every where ! ive been reading up on care for over 2 months now.
Point me in the right direction, C.B. would be nice but i know that a lot of people dont have them readily available.

Aaron_S

12-21-12, 08:26 PM

You don't really see them ever offered. Keep looking. One day, maybe in a few years you'll find them.

You do know that Australia's borders are closed to export so it's REALLY hard to get?

EmbraceCalamity

12-21-12, 08:36 PM

You don't really see them ever offered. Keep looking. One day, maybe in a few years you'll find them.

You do know that Australia's borders are closed to export so it's REALLY hard to get?Their super strict import/export laws are such a pain. :(

~Maggot

infernalis

12-21-12, 08:39 PM

Ackies and Kimberly Rock Monitors are increasingly more common.

Squamata concepts is working with some of the dwarf species, so the lizards are out there.

Just don't get your hopes up for a Lacie anytime soon.

And for the record, The Argus monitors commonly sold right now are the V.P.Hornii (Indo) subspecies, not that I would care about that.

War Machine

12-21-12, 08:40 PM

You do know that Australia's borders are closed to export so it's REALLY hard to get?

Making it very hard for my AWD needs... :unhappy:

crocdoc

12-22-12, 12:49 AM

Making it very hard for my AWD needs... :unhappy:

If you mean Australian water dragon, surely they're readily available in North America?

The herp laws may be a pain, but they're in place for a reason. I'm okay with them :)

ReptileSeeker, have you kept other monitors? If not, I'd probably not recommend lace monitors as a first monitor, anyway.

AjaMichelle

12-22-12, 01:36 AM

Love this ^^^!

EmbraceCalamity

12-22-12, 01:43 AM

If you mean Australian water dragon, surely they're readily available in North America?

The herp laws may be a pain, but they're in place for a reason. I'm okay with them :)

ReptileSeeker, have you kept other monitors? If not, I'd probably not recommend lace monitors as a first monitor, anyway.From what I gathered, they're pretty rare here. And I don't think anyone here is saying they're not okay with the laws. I get why they're there. Still a pain in the butt, though.

~Maggot

infernalis

12-22-12, 01:44 AM

Love this ^^^!

.....Me too....

ReptileSeeker

12-22-12, 09:00 AM

Does anyone know any breeders , and ive never kept an Australian monitor before. That's why i really want one.

infernalis

12-22-12, 09:20 AM

sSNAKESs : Reptile Forum - View Profile: Gatorhunter1231 (http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/members/gatorhunter1231.html)

Drop Dustin a PM.

infernalis

12-22-12, 09:22 AM

another......

sSNAKESs : Reptile Forum - View Profile: Gregg M (http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/members/gregg-m.html)

Read some threads, these people post about their goannas all the time.

ReptileSeeker

12-22-12, 09:38 AM

Thanks infernalis ! I was also wondering when you where going to upload some more videos?

crocdoc

12-22-12, 06:00 PM

Does anyone know any breeders , and ive never kept an Australian monitor before. That's why i really want one.

How's your savannah monitor doing?

Your earlier thread. (http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/varanid/96257-please-read-post.html)
I have a 5 month old savannah monitor that is about to be 6 month on the 15th , i just dont have the money or time. someone who is QUALIFIED to take care of savs, please take this off my hands. it is a male, it is very defensive. tong feed tho , i am looking for a trade or money (paypal) i really love this lizard, and feel free to ask me questions about him.

Gungirl

12-22-12, 06:01 PM

Good catch Crocdoc...

War Machine

12-22-12, 06:30 PM

lol I didn't want to say anything. Nice call out CD.

infernalis

12-22-12, 07:03 PM

I had completely forgotten who authored that post.

ReptileSeeker

12-22-12, 08:41 PM

How's your savannah monitor doing?

Your earlier thread. (http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/varanid/96257-please-read-post.html)

He is doing great ! Getting very big , he has done a big turn around after i did that slope thing with the dirt . He still is VERY defensive tho ! I'm thinking about getting him a girlfriend in the near future .

EmbraceCalamity

12-22-12, 08:52 PM

He is doing great ! Getting very big , he has done a big turn around after i did that slope thing with the dirt . He still is VERY defensive tho ! I'm thinking about getting him a girlfriend in the near future .Wait, so a month ago you didn't have the money or time for one monitor, and now you're saying you have or will soon have time and money for three and babies?

~Maggot

Gungirl

12-22-12, 08:56 PM

So much doesn't add up....

Reptileseeker go back and read your other thread

infernalis

12-22-12, 09:15 PM

http://t.qkme.me/3p38m2.jpg

ReptileSeeker

12-22-12, 09:24 PM

EmbraceCalamity

12-22-12, 09:29 PM

A lot can happen in a few months , at first i really was just trying to get rid of the monitor. now i have more respect for him , and am trying to take this project farther. You don't have to believe me , you can take a horse to water but you cant make him drink it.Correction: One month. Unless you won the lottery or won a huge lawsuit, I don't think anyone with half a brain would believe that you've acquired the time and money to be able to properly house and care for three adult monitors and babies. A thirsty horse will drink water if it's clean, but this water ain't clean, hun.

~Maggot

ReptileSeeker

12-22-12, 09:34 PM

Feel how you want , you are not bothering me .

KORBIN5895

12-22-12, 09:43 PM

I knew something was wrong when I first opened this thread. Then it hit me and I opened it to call him out and lo and behold doc had his ears pinned back already.

Correction: One month. Unless you won the lottery or won a huge lawsuit, I don't think anyone with half a brain would believe that you've acquired the time and money to be able to properly house and care for three adult monitors and babies. A thirsty horse will drink water if it's clean, but this water ain't clean, hun.

~Maggot

Forget him Maggot. He is a liar. He was proved to be one in his last thread.

@reptilebs

Weren't you going on about how you were getting blue tree monitors or something equally ridiculous coming from you? You really need to just go somewhere else now as you really are worthless here. We don't need anymore blowhards.

EmbraceCalamity

12-22-12, 09:44 PM

Feel how you want , you are not bothering me .That's fine. I just hope no one here will do anything to help you acquire any new reptiles.@reptilebs

Weren't you going on about how you were getting blue tree monitors or something equally ridiculous coming from you? You really need to just go somewhere else now as you really are worthless here. We don't need anymore blowhards.No, that one someone else. Made a thread titled "to ReptileSeeker" and said how they didn't buy the blue tree monitors because they couldn't afford it.

~Maggot

ReptileSeeker

12-22-12, 09:46 PM

All this bashing , you guys seem mad ?

ReptileSeeker

12-22-12, 09:46 PM

EmbraceCalamity

12-22-12, 09:47 PM

All this bashing , you guys seem mad ?People can call you out without being mad. Personally, I'm actually quite content right now. I'm eating my favourite snack, have my kitten in my lap, and am watching The Big Bang Theory. :)

~Maggot

ReptileSeeker

12-22-12, 09:48 PM

People can call you out without being mad. Personally, I'm actually quite content right now. I'm eating my favourite snack, have my kitten in my lap, and am watching The Big Bang Theory. :)

~Maggot

lol , what episode is on ?

KORBIN5895

12-22-12, 11:10 PM

That's fine. I just hope no one here will do anything to help you acquire any new reptiles.No, that one someone else. Made a thread titled "to ReptileSeeker" and said how they didn't buy the blue tree monitors because they couldn't afford it.

~Maggot

Actually that thread you are referring to was posted by GreggM. He actually posted the blue trees that he owns and asked reptilebs where his were.

@reptilebs

No one's mad. We just don't like liars.

EmbraceCalamity

12-22-12, 11:17 PM

Actually that thread you are referring to was posted by GreggM. He actually posted the blue trees that he owns and asked reptilebs where his were.

@reptilebs

No one's mad. We just don't like liars.You're right. I remembered it wrong. I shudder to think of what kind of conditions the sav is being kept in.

~Maggot

KORBIN5895

12-23-12, 12:26 AM

You're right. I remembered it wrong. I shudder to think of what kind of conditions the sav is being kept in.

~Maggot

Probably a cardboard box place on a heat vent.

infernalis

12-23-12, 12:52 AM

Photos??? any photos????

ReptileSeeker

12-23-12, 07:29 AM

lol , i will put up photos soon .

beardeds4life

12-24-12, 10:30 AM

Gungirl

12-24-12, 10:48 AM

I am not sticking up for him BUT I think that if he was unemployed and them got a good job it is possible that he could afford them now and that could happen in just 1+month.

Anyway it does seem very fishy. I would think if I saw this my first instinct would be hoarding.

If you have only had a job for 1 month then you are in no shape to get a new animal. You have no security in that job! If you couldn't afford your current pets while being jobless then you don't have enough money saved in the bank account. These animals live for years and years not weeks or days. If someone really wants an animal that can cost thousands of dollars to properly take care of then they should have at least a few thousand saved in the bank just incase. If he did this he would not have been so fast to try and sell his monitor last month. Many reasons this is all crap.. the op is crap.

beardeds4life

12-24-12, 11:25 AM

It seemed to me that he was not going to get a new one for a few months at which point he would probably have something saved.

I strongly agree with the last statement though.

Aaron_S

12-24-12, 11:25 AM

lol , i will put up photos soon .

I believe you've said that before...

KORBIN5895

12-24-12, 02:04 PM

It seemed to me that he was not going to get a new one for a few months at which point he would probably have something saved.

I strongly agree with the last statement though.

You really need to read the other thread before you comment.

He claimed to be unable to afford his sav but then said he lost interest in that "project". At which point he turns around and says he could afford a blue tree and none of us could. He is a liar.

ReptileSeeker

12-24-12, 02:10 PM

Have fun, lol just know i have money ;) and if i might say so myself, i think have enough money to have how ever many reps i want :)

EmbraceCalamity

12-24-12, 02:15 PM

You really need to read the other thread before you comment.

He claimed to be unable to afford his sav but then said he lost interest in that "project". At which point he turns around and says he could afford a blue tree and none of us could. He is a liar.He also complained he didn't have time because of school, so unless he just graduated in the middle of winter - which is very unlikely - it still doesn't matter if he won the goddamn lottery.

~Maggot

KORBIN5895

12-24-12, 02:27 PM

Have fun, lol just know i have money ;) and if i might say so myself, i think have enough money to have how ever many reps i want :)

Lol. Sure pal.

ReptileSeeker

12-24-12, 02:36 PM

Lol. Sure pal.

Thanks man !

KORBIN5895

12-24-12, 02:41 PM

Thanks man !

No worries. My mother taught me not to pick on the special needs.

ReptileSeeker

12-24-12, 02:48 PM

No worries. My mother taught me not to pick on the special needs.

same Here .

beardeds4life

12-26-12, 12:48 PM

You really need to read the other thread before you comment.

He claimed to be unable to afford his sav but then said he lost interest in that "project". At which point he turns around and says he could afford a blue tree and none of us could. He is a liar.

I did in fact read the other thread but I must have missed the lost interest part. I read it before I posted.

Jay

12-26-12, 01:48 PM

Have fun, lol just know i have money ;) and if i might say so myself, i think have enough money to have how ever many reps i want :)

Yet not enough to afford a decent education.
Hey, my 11 year old nephew capitalizes his "I's"

From now on everyone on here will know that you're a liar, unless you post some pictures.

So since you're so well off, how could you not care for a sav?
They're expensive yes, but not as bad as larger monitors.

KORBIN5895

12-26-12, 02:23 PM

He dis post pics Jay. It's living in a tote.

Jay

12-26-12, 02:30 PM

He dis post pics Jay. It's living in a tote.

Links?

Although once a liar always a liar.

The guy who owns the chophouse down the street from me drives a very nice Bentley. What's stopping me from taking pics and posting them here claiming its my car. I believe a few members have done this already.

EmbraceCalamity

12-26-12, 02:37 PM

Links?

Although once a liar always a liar.

The guy who owns the chophouse down the street from me drives a very nice Bentley. What's stopping me from taking pics and posting them here claiming its my car. I believe a few members have done this already.http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/varanid/97225-few-pics.html

~Maggot

Jay

12-26-12, 02:44 PM

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/varanid/97225-few-pics.html

~Maggot

"Speechless"

EmbraceCalamity

12-26-12, 02:56 PM

"Speechless"Yeeeaaahhh. I want to tell myself he's a troll, but I know that's just wishful thinking.

~Maggot

Gregg M

12-27-12, 12:05 PM

Squamata concepts is working with some of the dwarf species, so the lizards are out there.

Just don't get your hopes up for a Lacie anytime soon.

We also get Lacies in. Even Bells phase. Complete with CITES documentation. Although it is not likely that the OP would even be able to afford the normals.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8217/8315428052_83c410c86b_z.jpg

Donnie

12-27-12, 01:09 PM

Although it is not likely that the OP would even be able to afford the normals.

Oh but Gregg the OP can afford anything ;) (apart from a decent enclosure for a sav:unhappy:)

Have fun, lol just know i have money ;) and if i might say so myself, i think have enough money to have how ever many reps i want :)

beardeds4life

12-27-12, 03:29 PM

Even if he could afford one it would be irresponsible to sell him one.

Gregg M

12-27-12, 06:13 PM

Even if he could afford one it would be irresponsible to sell him one.

This my friend, goes without saying!

beardeds4life

12-27-12, 07:37 PM

I assumed. Im just saying that it is a shame that many people out their would sell them to him to make money D:

Pirarucu

12-27-12, 10:20 PM

I would love some lacies... In the future that is. How much are they going for?

jhinton6932

01-04-13, 12:18 AM

We also get Lacies in. Even Bells phase. Complete with CITES documentation. Although it is not likely that the OP would even be able to afford the normals.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8217/8315428052_83c410c86b_z.jpg

holy cow! and your in the US? if i had 25K just floating around willy nilly, id probably be interested, but thats a pipe dream atm :( beautiful! how do you actually get them as reptile exports from aussie are illegal, so dont they have to get here illegally initially, be bred in captivity, and then through some loop hole, one can keep them? kinda like how it happened with beardies back in the 60's-70's

EDIT im not saying you did anything illegal! as you have CITIES documentation! just curious as how the import and export from aussie affords us the privilege of keeping these without breaking some law of some sort

jhinton6932

01-04-13, 12:45 AM

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/varanid/97225-few-pics.html

~Maggot

lol geez i missed some funny things while away. honestly tho, besides the crap substrate, the claim a burrow is 100% himidity (implying its underwater), the lack of things to dig under, what are the dimensions of that enclosure? a female sav sometimes only hits about 3 foot and can be kept in a 5x5 easily with no ill effect on the animal. but im not guna lurk through posts and decipher if that animal was male of female. just assume any new monitor is guna grow up to be a big boy and plan accordingly.

infernalis

01-04-13, 01:18 AM

lol geez i missed some funny things while away. honestly tho, besides the crap substrate, the claim a burrow is 100% himidity (implying its underwater), the lack of things to dig under, what are the dimensions of that enclosure? a female sav sometimes only hits about 3 foot and can be kept in a 5x5 easily with no ill effect on the animal. but im not guna lurk through posts and decipher if that animal was male of female. just assume any new monitor is guna grow up to be a big boy and plan accordingly.

Not trying to stir the pot... But 100% humidity simply means that the air has reached the saturation point.

My Digital hygrometer maxes out when I set it inside a burrow.

There are other factors involved, Dew Point for instance, Barometric pressure fluctuates, so the amount of water the air can actually hold varies with it.

jhinton6932

01-04-13, 01:20 AM

Not trying to stir the pot... But 100% humidity simply means that the air has reached the saturation point.

My Digital hygrometer maxes out when I set it inside a burrow.

There are other factors involved, Dew Point for instance, Barometric pressure fluctuates, so the amount of water the air can actually hold varies with it.

i got ya, just ignore the 100% humidity comment then, hence why im not a weather man ^_^

Pirarucu

01-04-13, 07:49 AM

holy cow! and your in the US? if i had 25K just floating around willy nilly, id probably be interested, but thats a pipe dream atm :( beautiful! how do you actually get them as reptile exports from aussie are illegal, so dont they have to get here illegally initially, be bred in captivity, and then through some loop hole, one can keep them? kinda like how it happened with beardies back in the 60's-70's

EDIT im not saying you did anything illegal! as you have CITIES documentation! just curious as how the import and export from aussie affords us the privilege of keeping these without breaking some law of some sortImporting from Australia is illegal, but importing from established lines in Germany is not. I believe that's where these were from, if I remember right.

infernalis

01-04-13, 08:51 AM

I was going to say just that... There are Lacies in Europe, No laws protecting the CBB animals from that Continent.

jhinton6932

01-04-13, 01:20 PM

well V. varius naturally occurs in aussie. so howd they get to europe? its a loophole in the law. transport X animal to europe. breed. now its CCB. export X animal to other countries.? get it?

think its awsome by the way, the lacies! they are very beautiful animals. im just curious as to how we got them, so the fact they come from europe makes sense. as to how they got europe, dont know and dont care

infernalis

01-04-13, 01:26 PM

well V. varius naturally occurs in aussie. so howd they get to europe? its a loophole in the law. transport X animal to europe. breed. now its CCB. export X animal to other countries.? get it?

It's the same deal as the federally protected San Francisco garter snake. It's a felony crime to molest, poach or transport any animals within the confines of the United States, but it's a free market in any other country.

A few snakes were sent to Holland many years ago, every single specimen circulating is a direct descendant of those snakes.

Those Lacies found their way into Europe years ago when it WAS legal to take them, then subsequently bred from there.

jhinton6932

01-04-13, 01:29 PM

infernalis

01-04-13, 01:44 PM

well good thing they made it to europe i suppose, and yes i do think strong export laws are a great thing, look at the indo reptile trade...its out of control on some islands. anyway, yea hijak this thread since OP was obviously a troll or just delusional

Yes, Thankfully the European animals did well. The Arizona batch does not seem to have any descendants circulating in America.

Although if you chose to listen to a certain someone in Arizona, They should be literally all over Craig's list looking for homes because he produced so many.

Puzzling isn't it.

crocdoc

01-04-13, 02:50 PM

Those Lacies found their way into Europe years ago when it WAS legal to take them...

No, they didn't. It's been illegal to take them out of Australia for a very long time, way before anyone over there bred them. I know the first person to have bred lace monitors in Europe (the only legal founder stock there) and these are not from his bloodline. These animals have been 'laundered'. It's most likely the founder stock consisted of smuggled animals or someone abused their class A zoo privileges and released them into the private trade, which is frowned upon.

jhinton6932

01-04-13, 03:09 PM

Yes, Thankfully the European animals did well. The Arizona batch does not seem to have any descendants circulating in America.

Although if you chose to listen to a certain someone in Arizona, They should be literally all over Craig's list looking for homes because he produced so many.

Puzzling isn't it.

ah yes i know the fellow you speak of, the one who will criticize anyone for anything at anytime for any reason, becuz after all, he is a descended from varanus giganteus ego

jhinton6932

01-04-13, 03:10 PM

No, they didn't. It's been illegal to take them out of Australia for a very long time, way before anyone over there bred them. I know the first person to have bred lace monitors in Europe (the only legal founder stock there) and these are not from his bloodline. These animals have been 'laundered'. It's most likely the founder stock consisted of smuggled animals or someone abused their class A zoo privileges and released them into the private trade, which is frowned upon.

THANKYOU CROCDOC! ive been searching for a little bit and everything ive read says its been illegal for DECADES. but laundering isnt all that uncommon, i mean it happened with beardies 40-50 years ago and look at the beardie trade now? so its two-fold tbh.

infernalis

01-04-13, 03:57 PM

No, they didn't. It's been illegal to take them out of Australia for a very long time, way before anyone over there bred them. I know the first person to have bred lace monitors in Europe (the only legal founder stock there) and these are not from his bloodline. These animals have been 'laundered'. It's most likely the founder stock consisted of smuggled animals or someone abused their class A zoo privileges and released them into the private trade, which is frowned upon.

Your vast knowledge on these subjects is always impressive. And informative.

jhinton6932

01-04-13, 07:15 PM

Your vast knowledge on these subjects is always impressive. And informative.

true that !

Terranaut

01-08-13, 05:49 PM

So just out of curiosity what does a normal lace monitor with proper paperwork go for? Are there any in Canada? I have been considering a monitor for a year at least but most just don't quite do it for me. Purchase price is also a big factor.

ReptileSeeker

01-08-13, 05:57 PM

Mark Taylor

01-08-13, 06:21 PM

They say that the monitors are in the thousands, I still cant seem to find any tho.

Should have gone to specsavers.

Nobody who cares about them is going to sell you one until you can prove you have the right equipment, attitude, and dedication also love and ability to care for them. That's going to take time enough time to do proper research. :)

red ink

01-08-13, 07:51 PM

They say that the monitors are in the thousands, I still cant seem to find any tho.

Limited numbers means a limited market and a limited amount of people that breeders will sell to... If you don't know where they are or personally know (in good terms) with breeders that have them, chances are you'll never own one. No matter your proposed claims of financial ability to purchase one.

Aaron_S

01-08-13, 09:59 PM

i got ya, just ignore the 100% humidity comment then, hence why im not a weather man ^_^

I know this is way off topic but that comment would make you a perfect weather man! Only a weather man can be wrong more than right and still get a raise!

ReptileSeeker

01-09-13, 03:36 PM

Thanks for the help, appreciate it.

Gregg M

01-09-13, 07:50 PM

Thanks for the help, appreciate it.

Dude, to be honest, I think most people are thinking that you are getting in over your head. Varanid people are very passionate about their reptiles and hate to see them get into the wrong hands.

There is a reason why certain varanids are hard to find. It is because they are hard to keep, not readily bred in captivity, and are not imported regularly. Lace monitors are all 3 of those. The harder they are to find the more expensive they will be. I would not sell a pair of normal lacies cheaper than $6,000 and they would not go to someone who does not have extensive experience with varanids.

infernalis

01-09-13, 08:09 PM

Dude, to be honest, I think most people are thinking that you are getting in over your head. Varanid people are very passionate about their reptiles and hate to see them get into the wrong hands.

There is a reason why certain varanids are hard to find. It is because they are hard to keep, not readily bred in captivity, and are not imported regularly. Lace monitors are all 3 of those. The harder they are to find the more expensive they will be. I would not sell a pair of normal lacies cheaper than $6,000 and they would not go to someone who does not have extensive experience with varanids.

That's right.

I know people who throw out eggs rather than accept money for babies because they would rather not see a single one of them languish or show up on youtube in bad shape.

I can predict that one day I too will probably not incubate 100% of my eggs..

beardeds4life

01-10-13, 11:17 AM

IMO that is the responsible thing to do. I feel very bad for any reptile that ever comes into the hands of reptileseeker considering he has been told how poorly he takes care of his animals and how to better take care of them and does nothing. What does that say about his character?

ReptileSeeker

01-11-13, 02:22 PM