need advice

[jodiwilder73]

my 15 year old son would like to have a ball python. I was at the pet store and i need to know what to get for the python. They had starter kits but they were kind of expensive, i have a pretty tight budget to work with. I would very much appreciate any advice you might have. Thank you jodi

[infernalis]

Those starter kits are a rip off. They assemble a few items, package it fancy and mark it up.

A $1 plastic water bowl from wal mart holds water just as well as a "snake" water bowl from a pet store with a $14 price tag.

[KORBIN5895]

Also a Rubbermaid tote will work just as well as a glass aquarium. The hardest thing for you to find will be a thermostat and a proper heat source.

[Lankyrob]

You NEED

Heater WITH thermostat - there needs to be a hot end at 91f and cold end no lower than 78-80f
Something digital to measure humidity (which MUST be kept above 55% and higher still during sheds)
Two hides (one for the warn end and one for the cold end)
Waterbowl
Sometype of substrate. (i prefer bark but there are many options)

You can also then addd branches, fake plants etc but this is more for your benefit tham the snakes :)

As a first snake it may be worth looking at corn snakes as they have no real humidity needs, butif you do go for the ball python get the snakes home set up and running with stable conditions for a week or so BEFORE getting the snake :)

[KORBIN5895]

If you do get a corn you won't need the heat source and thermostat.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Also: NEVER LISTEN TO THE PET STORE PEOPLE. They might mean well and seem like they know what they're talking about, but many people and their new pets have fallen prey to bad information (we see it on here all the time, and many of us have experience with it as well).

~Maggot

[jodiwilder73]

Thank you everyone for your advice and help. I now have some good advice to move forward with. Thanks again
Jodiwilder73

[Corey209]

For a ball python I'd recommend getting a 40 gallon tank but a 20g will work for a year or so. Get an under the tank heater (zilla, zoomed, exo terra all make them) made for the size of your enclosure whether it's 20 or 40 gallon and cover one side of the bottom. I'd also recommend placing something on the corners of your tank (the little sticky circle multipurpose pads) so that you can have airflow so the glass doesn't crack. If you want to use substrate for looks then I'd recommend getting dry bricks of coco fiber because you can make a whole lot of it for the same price as a bag of coco fiber that's not compacted. Otherwise just use paper towels/newspaper. If possible when you buy a tank look for one that has a sliding top and not a generic top that comes off you'll need to buy clips for.

[reptileexperts]

For a young snake for its first year:

12 qt sterlite tub - walmart, target, home depot

Chipped Aspen - most places - cheapest at petco.com for lizard litter

Thermostat - Hydrofarm: Amazon.com under $30 works fine

Undertank heater - Zoomed small 10 gallon heater will work just fine and is available on amazon for under $15

small - Medium (medium if you live in a dry area in order to have a little bit better surface area to increase humidity) Crock Water Bowl - walmart, amazon, reptile basics I beleive the brand is nesse

Couple hides - can be cheap or $$$ just make sure to get two that are easy to clean.

All in all, for under 50-60 bucks you can get a setup like this that will work for the first year of its life and can almost all be adapted for it later (t-stat can at the least and thats half the budget anyways!).

[reptileexperts]

Oh and an accurite thermometer / hygrometer. Walmart - 14 bucks can be used for its entire life just replacing some AAA batteries.

[Gungirl]

For a ball python I'd recommend getting a 40 gallon tank but a 20g will work for a year or so. Get an under the tank heater (zilla, zoomed, exo terra all make them) made for the size of your enclosure whether it's 20 or 40 gallon and cover one side of the bottom. I'd also recommend placing something on the corners of your tank (the little sticky circle multipurpose pads) so that you can have airflow so the glass doesn't crack. If you want to use substrate for looks then I'd recommend getting dry bricks of coco fiber because you can make a whole lot of it for the same price as a bag of coco fiber that's not compacted. Otherwise just use paper towels/newspaper. If possible when you buy a tank look for one that has a sliding top and not a generic top that comes off you'll need to buy clips for.


Some bad information ^ ...

Tanks with screen lids are horrible for ball pythons... you don't cover 1 side of the bottom with a heat mat you cover 1/3. Your glass will not crack as long as you have your heat source on a thermostat which is a must have..

[KORBIN5895]

Some bad information ^ ...

Tanks with screen lids are horrible for ball pythons... you don't cover 1 side of the bottom with a heat matt you cover 1/3. Your glass will not crack as long as you have your heat source on a thermostat which is a must have..

I agree with most of that Kat except for the glass cracking. If there isn't ventilation the glass will crack because space under the tank will just become a mini oven. Mine was on a t stat and it cracked.

[Gungirl]

Oh...I have never heard of that happening Kevin. How hot was your mat set at and was your probe properly placed?

I ran a heat mat on a glass viv for 2 yrs with it set to 95f no air gap and I never had an issue. Maybe I was lucky.. idk I don't run heat mats or glass vivs any longer though.

[KORBIN5895]

It was set on 95-98 because I used three inches of cocohusk. I never noticed when it happens but I went to move it a few months back it was cracked.

You know what? I think my snakes may have spilled water on it once. That may have caused the crack.

[dbank999]

Whatever you choose for substrate, make sure it has no pine or cedar, as these are toxic to the snake. Thought I'd add that since it hadn't been mentioned. I personally use cypress mulch mixed with coco husk.

Imo, glass tanks work fine as long as you modify the screen lid to limit ventilation. I use duct tape (not "duck", but the actual tape for heating ducts, essentially it is a metal tape ~$12 for a roll at lowe's or home depot - enough to do about 6 x 40 gal tanks). I have had my male ball python in three glass tanks (10 gal, 20 gal long, 40 gal long) for a year and a half with no problems maintaining humidity. But that is my personal experience, yours may vary! But I feel if you take the extra time and effort you can make a glass tank work.

[Corey209]

Some bad information ^ ...

Tanks with screen lids are horrible for ball pythons... you don't cover 1 side of the bottom with a heat mat you cover 1/3. Your glass will not crack as long as you have your heat source on a thermostat which is a must have..

She's on a tight budget which is why I recommended glass tanks. PLENTY of people use them without any problems. I highly doubt she will be able to afford a PVC enclosure and a thermostat.

[KORBIN5895]

She's on a tight budget which is why I recommended glass tanks. PLENTY of people use them without any problems. I highly doubt she will be able to afford a PVC enclosure and a thermostat.

Then recommend a plastic tote.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Whatever you choose for substrate, make sure it has no pine or cedar, as these are toxic to the snake. Thought I'd add that since it hadn't been mentioned. I personally use cypress mulch mixed with coco husk.

Imo, glass tanks work fine as long as you modify the screen lid to limit ventilation. I use duct tape (not "duck", but the actual tape for heating ducts, essentially it is a metal tape ~$12 for a roll at lowe's or home depot - enough to do about 6 x 40 gal tanks). I have had my male ball python in three glass tanks (10 gal, 20 gal long, 40 gal long) for a year and a half with no problems maintaining humidity. But that is my personal experience, yours may vary! But I feel if you take the extra time and effort you can make a glass tank work.Glass tanks can work fine if modified like you said. I've seen it done with reptiles that require much higher humidity than balls. I'd say this is better though:
Then recommend a plastic tote.
When I got the two turtles (not that humidity was an issue, just talking size and price), instead of trying to find a big enough aquarium, I just bought a big plastic tub for about $7. Much, much cheaper.

~Maggot

[Corey209]

Then recommend a plastic tote.

She wants it as a pet with her son, I can guarantee they want a nice looking enclosure while plastic totes look more like what people use for large amount of snakes to be cost and size efficient.

I am going to trade my blizzard for two boas though, can you recommend how I should set up some tubs for them?

[Terranaut]

As stated above listen to us not the pet store people.
Look at a heat source with a thermosta. If $150 for that is too much to soend either get a corn like said above or wait. People will tell you it's not nesessary but it is. A heat mat without a thermostat can cook your snake like a fine grill if it messes up. A tub as also stated above is great for a ball python. My advice to you is to never go back to the pet store. Post where you live and let us recomend you a breeder. You will get a higher quality snake at a better price. Seriously.

[Lankyrob]

As stated above listen to us not the pet store people.
Look at a heat source with a thermosta. If $150 for that is too much to soend either get a corn like said above or wait. People will tell you it's not nesessary but it is. A heat mat without a thermostat can cook your snake like a fine grill if it messes up. A tub as also stated above is great for a ball python. My advice to you is to never go back to the pet store. Post where you live and let us recomend you a breeder. You will get a higher quality snake at a better price. Seriously.

^^^this 100%^^^

[EmbraceCalamity]

As stated above listen to us not the pet store people.
Look at a heat source with a thermosta. If $150 for that is too much to soend either get a corn like said above or wait. People will tell you it's not nesessary but it is. A heat mat without a thermostat can cook your snake like a fine grill if it messes up. A tub as also stated above is great for a ball python. My advice to you is to never go back to the pet store. Post where you live and let us recomend you a breeder. You will get a higher quality snake at a better price. Seriously.They also might be able to find a corn or ball somewhere in their area (depending where they are) that people decided they didn't want after buying them. Would be worth looking around for rescues or posts on Facebook or wherever.

~Maggot

[KORBIN5895]

She wants it as a pet with her son, I can guarantee they want a nice looking enclosure while plastic totes look more like what people use for large amount of snakes to be cost and size efficient.

I am going to trade my blizzard for two boas though, can you recommend how I should set up some tubs for them?

What I recommend is you get out of the herp hobby. I honestly can't believe you are trading off a snake with mites.

[Corey209]

What I recommend is you get out of the herp hobby. I honestly can't believe you are trading off a snake with mites.

Mites are gone, haven't seen a trace of them. I've soaked him for 20 minutes every other day and still no mites. The person I am trading knows that the snake had mites and he's a reputable breeder in my area.

[KORBIN5895]

Mites are gone, haven't seen a trace of them. I've soaked him for 20 minutes every other day and still no mites. The person I am trading knows that the snake had mites and he's a reputable breeder in my area.

You do realize they are animals and not trading cards right?

Out of curiosity what does this guy breed?

[EmbraceCalamity]

Mites are gone, haven't seen a trace of them. I've soaked him for 20 minutes every other day and still no mites. The person I am trading knows that the snake had mites and he's a reputable breeder in my area.Out of curiosity, is this the same snake you traded your other snake for that you're now going to trade for two other snakes?

~Maggot

[Corey209]

You do realize they are animals and not trading cards right?

Out of curiosity what does this guy breed?

I originally only got the snake as an adoption from someone who couldn't take care of her. I never intended on keeping her long term but besides that people trade snakes all the time, I'm not the first.

He breeds kenyans, corns, leopard/pictus/crested geckos, ball pythons, rough scaled sands, hognoses, kings and brb's

@Embrace, no this is a king I picked up a few months back because the owner couldn't take care of it.

[KORBIN5895]

They also might be able to find a corn or ball somewhere in their area (depending where they are) that people decided they didn't want after buying them. Would be worth looking around for rescues or posts on Facebook or wherever.

~Maggot

Forget it maggot. He has all of the answers. He is infallible.

@ Corey

Pretty slick pal. You took in a free snake then traded it off for your gain? Impressive. Really impressive.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Forget it maggot. He has all of the answers. He is infallible....Wut. .___.

~Maggot

[Corey209]

Forget it maggot. He has all of the answers. He is infallible.

@ Corey

Pretty slick pal. You took in a free snake then traded it off for your gain? Impressive. Really impressive.

I paid a rehoming fee.. and I put this snake up for FREE adoption locally but I was offered some Kenyans... I haven't done anything wrong I don't know why you're attacking me.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Forget it maggot. He has all of the answers. He is infallible.

@ Corey

Pretty slick pal. You took in a free snake then traded it off for your gain? Impressive. Really impressive.While I don't think he's the sharpest tool in the shed or the greatest herp owner in the world, in this particular instance, I don't think he's done anything wrong. If I were to adopt a snake because someone couldn't care for it and then was offered a trade in which I could acquire something I really wanted, I would probably do it. I understand your desire to take issue with him, but that doesn't mean you have to take issue with every single thing he says or does, as you obviously tend to do with people you don't like. I doubt, if anyone else was saying they were going to do this, you'd make such a fuss.

~Maggot

[KORBIN5895]

I base it off of peoples track record. His blows chunks.

[EmbraceCalamity]

I base it off of peoples track record. His blows chunks.If you wouldn't make a fuss about this if someone else did it, you don't have a right to do it if he does it, regardless of your personal opinion of him. That's just hypocritical and narrow-minded.

~Maggot

[Corey209]

I base it off of peoples track record. His blows chunks.

My track record? The only thing disputable was that I used diluted permethrin instead of nix or pam. I never even asked anyone on here about killing mites as I already knew how so that should have never even been brought up. So would you like to explain my "track record"?

[shaunyboy]

While I don't think he's the sharpest tool in the shed or the greatest herp owner in the world,

~Maggot

I base it off of peoples track record. His blows chunks.

If you wouldn't make a fuss about this if someone else did it, you don't have a right to do it if he does it, regardless of your personal opinion of him. That's just hypocritical and narrow-minded.

~Maggot

^^^^^^^^^^^^
its also a tad hypocritical calling Kevin out,when your slandering the op as well (see my first quote)

cheers shaun;)

[EmbraceCalamity]

^^^^^^^^^^^^
its also a tad hypocritical calling Kevin out,when your slandering the op as well (see my first quote)

cheers shaun;)How is that hypocritical? You obviously missed my entire point. I'm saying that it's unreasonable to be a prick to Corey for doing something that someone else could do without any issues from Korbin. I very blatantly stated that, despite the fact that I don't think Corey is the best herp keeper in the world, he's not doing anything wrong in this particular instance. So, no, I'm not being hypocritical. Nice try though. :)

~Maggot

[Corey209]

How is that hypocritical? You obviously missed my entire point. I'm saying that it's unreasonable to be a prick to Corey for doing something that someone else could do without any issues from Korbin. I very blatantly stated that, despite the fact that I don't think Corey is the best herp keeper in the world, he's not doing anything wrong in this particular instance. So, no, I'm not being hypocritical. Nice try though. :)

~Maggot

I'm definitely not stupid.. but you're right I'm not the best herp keeper. I'm new to the scene and am still learning but all my animals are healthy and I've taken care of complications that have arisen which I'm sure has happened to everyone.

Besides that nothing I have done deserves me being scolded. I'm pretty sure I read a post about this (http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/general-discussion/97169-listen-up-everyone-ends.html). I don't appreciate the "personal jabs" that korbin keeps attacking me with. In ANY profession there's questionable methods like as I stated before I used diluted permethrin.

[Aaron_S]

I'm definitely not stupid.. but you're right I'm not the best herp keeper. I'm new to the scene and am still learning but all my animals are healthy and I've taken care of complications that have arisen which I'm sure has happened to everyone.

Besides that nothing I have done deserves me being scolded. I'm pretty sure I read a post about this (http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/general-discussion/97169-listen-up-everyone-ends.html). I don't appreciate the "personal jabs" that korbin keeps attacking me with. In ANY profession there's questionable methods like as I stated before I used diluted permethrin.

Wayne put up that thread but it doesn't mean someone can't call you out or say that you're practices are less than ideal.

Personally, I would never adopt or rescue an animal and than flip it. That goes against like everything you just did. I would put that into the category of the same people who operate a "rescue" for free reptiles to either breed/sell/trade.

If you're new to the scene then I would just stick with a couple animals as you had and just learn them. You won't learn how to do anything by species hopping every 5 minutes. I would even question the "all animals are healthy" because you obviously have no quarantine practices and just keep switching animals. How would you know they were healthy?

[KORBIN5895]

If you wouldn't make a fuss about this if someone else did it, you don't have a right to do it if he does it, regardless of your personal opinion of him. That's just hypocritical and narrow-minded.

~Maggot

Here is the problem with your post. You don't know anything about me. Go look up how I feel about people that just keep trading snakes then you can answer your own question.

Corey that will bring you up to five snakes in a couple of months. I feel you are extremely irresponsible. Either you first boa got it's ri with you or the pet shop. If it was with you then you haven't taken responsibility. If it was with the pet store you have also been irresponsible by taking their advice on the mite treatment and also by accepting another snake.... which they may have mislabeled. Regardless you snubbed solid advice from knowledgeable keepers.

So you can call me a narrow minded prick all you want but that won't phase me at all. Do you know why? Because I see stupidity. Now get out of that tree Arney .

[EmbraceCalamity]

I'm definitely not stupid.. but you're right I'm not the best herp keeper. I'm new to the scene and am still learning but all my animals are healthy and I've taken care of complications that have arisen which I'm sure has happened to everyone.

Besides that nothing I have done deserves me being scolded. I'm pretty sure I read a post about this (http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/general-discussion/97169-listen-up-everyone-ends.html). I don't appreciate the "personal jabs" that korbin keeps attacking me with. In ANY profession there's questionable methods like as I stated before I used diluted permethrin.Dude, I so don't care. I'm not sticking up for you. I'm sticking up for the fact that it's unreasonable to attack someone for doing something that another person could do without a word being said. No matter how much I might dislike someone, that doesn't mean it's appropriate to say they're doing something wrong when they're not. Ignore him and don't whine and we'll all be hunky-dory.

And apologies to OP about derailing the thread. In summation, you've got a couple options. It comes down to what you want and what suits you best.

~Maggot

[shaunyboy]

While I don't think he's the sharpest tool in the shed

~Maggot

How is that hypocritical? You obviously missed my entire point. I'm saying that it's unreasonable to be a prick to Corey for doing something that someone else could do without any issues from Korbin. I very blatantly stated that, despite the fact that I don't think Corey is the best herp keeper in the world, he's not doing anything wrong in this particular instance. So, no, I'm not being hypocritical. Nice try though. :)

~Maggot

sorry,i should have been clearer,so i have now shortened it to the exact part of the quote i previously reffered to.....

not exactly a respectfull way of treating or speaking about someone imo

oh and it was not a " nice try " as you put it,merely my opinion

cheers shaun

[Corey209]

Dude, I so don't care. I'm not sticking up for you. I'm sticking up for the fact that it's unreasonable to attack someone for doing something that another person could do without a word being said. No matter how much I might dislike someone, that doesn't mean it's appropriate to say they're doing something wrong when they're not. Ignore him and don't whine and we'll all be hunky-dory.

And apologies to OP about derailing the thread. In summation, you've got a couple options. It comes down to what you want and what suits you best.

~Maggot

I never said or even tried to infer you were sticking up for me.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Alright, I think it's time to end this. Go back to bed, kids. :)

~Maggot

[Terranaut]

Alright, I think it's time to end this. Go back to bed, kids. :)

~Maggot

If you seriously want and end to this stuff stop posting. Out of your huge postcount how much of it is pointless arguing about things you know nothing about for reasons unknown? I bet over 900 of your posts are just more nonsense. You start fights in every thread. I don't understand you at all. Why do you come here?

[Gungirl]

If you seriously want and end to this stuff stop posting. Out of your huge postcount how much of it is pointless arguing about things you know nothing about for reasons unknown? I bet over 900 of your posts are just more nonsense. You start fights in every thread. I don't understand you at all. Why do you come here?


Trolls.. they like to be fed. If you feed them they will never leave.

[EmbraceCalamity]

If you seriously want and end to this stuff stop posting. Out of your huge postcount how much of it is pointless arguing about things you know nothing about for reasons unknown? I bet over 900 of your posts are just more nonsense. You start fights in every thread. I don't understand you at all. Why do you come here?I fell on my head as a baby. Very tragic.

~Maggot

[DeesBalls]

She's on a tight budget which is why I recommended glass tanks. PLENTY of people use them without any problems. I highly doubt she will be able to afford a PVC enclosure and a thermostat.

most important part- and yes- a 10 gal tank CAN be okay- but why waste the 12 bucks on one, when a nice tub is half the price and works better?

if you do decide to go with a tank, since only having the 1 snake, it may be okay for him (the son) ... some other modifications would need to be made to the lid, or getting some plexiglass with holes made to fit under the screen top, or using a damp/wet towel and putting over the screen, i used that for a BRB for a year just fine...

i recommend a tub, 2 hides, water dish, UTH, thermostat, and substrate.
and hides can be anything, from old boxes, to a cheap plastic bowl cut, to a styofoam bowl. just make sure you have a thermostat.

**wow missed the whole 3rd page... what the hell is going on at this forum... cant we give new people advice and help out, or does everything need to become a pi**ing contest?

tubs or tanks, who cares, both CAN work, ones just a little easier. like walking or driving to work :)

this post is not under members lounge, so if some one google searches and sees this, how are we helping them?

[Corey209]

most important part- and yes- a 10 gal tank CAN be okay- but why waste the 12 bucks on one, when a nice tub is half the price and works better?

if you do decide to go with a tank, since only having the 1 snake, it may be okay for him (the son) ... some other modifications would need to be made to the lid, or getting some plexiglass with holes made to fit under the screen top, or using a damp/wet towel and putting over the screen, i used that for a BRB for a year just fine...

i recommend a tub, 2 hides, water dish, UTH, thermostat, and substrate.
and hides can be anything, from old boxes, to a cheap plastic bowl cut, to a styofoam bowl. just make sure you have a thermostat.

I recommended a 20/40g because they look nicer then tubs but you're right and I'm going to set up tubs for my boas I'm getting, do you think you could show a pic of your setup top and bottom?

[DeesBalls]

I recommended a 20/40g because they look nicer then tubs but you're right and I'm going to set up tubs for my boas I'm getting, do you think you could show a pic of your setup top and bottom?

your right, a 20/40 gal set up is awesome looking, but personally i would save those for corns as it is hard to keep humidity up for a BP in one of those... not saying it cant be done though, and since it is only 1 pet snake, sure you can take extra time and precaution to help with humidity.

as for my cages, i have tubs/custom made tanks. ill post a few.....

Corn on top, RTB on bottom- these were taking as i was finishing them up, so not all hides ect are in tank-
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy336/DGilliland22/cages/cages1.jpg

my rack for baby balls
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy336/DGilliland22/cages/cages2.jpg

one i used for a bigger BP that couldnt fit in tub-
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy336/DGilliland22/cages/IMAG0187.jpg

not sure if these helped you (or the OP at all) but maybe it will someone?

also wanted to mention the cages were less than $100 to make, including heat.

[KORBIN5895]

I fell on my head as a baby. Very tragic.

~Maggot

Apparently they didn't drop you hard enough.;)

[Corey209]

A bunch of useful pictures goes here.

I really like that system you have going, I just don't have a shelf for it. Another breeder just contacted me saying he wants to breed smaller snakes so he's offering his hypo BCI (very clean) and regular BCI which are both females for my pastel ball python and blizzard king. I just got this BP but it's a pretty good deal and I'd like to help him out. I'd also need larger tubs to fit the boas. Thanks for sharing those pictures though.

[DeesBalls]

glad i could help ya out. and good luck looking for bigger tubs for boas, i cant find them any where!

[Corey209]

glad i could help ya out. and good luck looking for bigger tubs for boas, i cant find them any where!

I'm not sure if I want to trade, I really like my bp lol.

For boa tubs I know Iris makes big ones

Vision Products (http://www.visionproducts.us/htm7/tubs.html)

[Pareeeee]

Also: NEVER LISTEN TO THE PET STORE PEOPLE. They might mean well and seem like they know what they're talking about, but many people and their new pets have fallen prey to bad information (we see it on here all the time, and many of us have experience with it as well).

~Maggot

^ This. A thousand times this.

[Aaron_S]

I really like that system you have going, I just don't have a shelf for it. Another breeder just contacted me saying he wants to breed smaller snakes so he's offering his hypo BCI (very clean) and regular BCI which are both females for my pastel ball python and blizzard king. I just got this BP but it's a pretty good deal and I'd like to help him out. I'd also need larger tubs to fit the boas. Thanks for sharing those pictures though.

I feel sorry for all your animals.

You're more interested in "the deal" than actually learning about your snakes. I'm sure the boas will be traded once again.

[SnakeyJay]

Whatever happened to the "home for life" mentality that most people used to have? My first snake was a normal cheap corn.. He was evil, skittish and a pain but I've still got him..

I more than understand breeders swapping and selling on breeding stock but these aren't bloody Pokemon cards.

[Little Wise Owl]

I really like that system you have going, I just don't have a shelf for it. Another breeder just contacted me saying he wants to breed smaller snakes so he's offering his hypo BCI (very clean) and regular BCI which are both females for my pastel ball python and blizzard king. I just got this BP but it's a pretty good deal and I'd like to help him out. I'd also need larger tubs to fit the boas. Thanks for sharing those pictures though.

Wow... I've stayed out of this situation but you're ridiculous. Animals are not objects that can be traded on a whim.

[Corey209]

I feel sorry for all your animals.

You're more interested in "the deal" than actually learning about your snakes. I'm sure the boas will be traded once again.

The kingsnake I never intended to keep, I only planned to get her eating and healthy which she now is.

Wow... I've stayed out of this situation but you're ridiculous. Animals are not objects that can be traded on a whim.

If you're against trading animals then why do you even own them? They weren't naturally in our care. Have you ever owned a morph? They're traded and kept in tubs with a bowl and substrate for breeding purposes. That's nothing near natural so if you're going to advocate that animals are not objects and shouldn't be traded you shouldn't even own one.

[Lankyrob]

The kingsnake I never intended to keep, I only planned to get her eating and healthy which she now is.



If you're against trading animals then why do you even own them? They weren't naturally in our care. Have you ever owned a morph? They're traded and kept in tubs with a bowl and substrate for breeding purposes. That's nothing near natural so if you're going to advocate that animals are not objects and shouldn't be traded you shouldn't even own one.

You really arer going from the sublime to the ridiculous! Theree is a massive difference between a breeder buying and selling snakes to improve their business prospects and some one getting and trading snakes for no apparent reason.

Please explain how your situation relates to that of a breeder?

I bought all my snakes with the 100%intent to keep them until. They pass naturally, not as trading tokens when something "better" or "cooler" comes along.

[Corey209]

You really arer going from the sublime to the ridiculous! Theree is a massive difference between a breeder buying and selling snakes to improve their business prospects and some one getting and trading snakes for no apparent reason.

Please explain how your situation relates to that of a breeder?

I bought all my snakes with the 100%intent to keep them until. They pass naturally, not as trading tokens when something "better" or "cooler" comes along.

I've traded my amazon tree boa to a local breeder who needed a halloween phase, I didn't come to him. I had too many problems with my boa and the shop said they'd take care of him and let me get another snake, I wasn't trying to trade him off because I wanted something else. And the kingsnake I never intended on keeping, only bringing back to good health.

Three snakes, and only of them I actually posted on a local site to trade. That one snake I posted is the kingsnake which I did not intend on keeping.

[KORBIN5895]

I've traded my amazon tree boa to a local breeder who needed a halloween phase, I didn't come to him. I had too many problems with my boa and the shop said they'd take care of him and let me get another snake, I wasn't trying to trade him off because I wanted something else. And the kingsnake I never intended on keeping, only bringing back to good health.

Three snakes, and only of them I actually posted on a local site to trade. That one snake I posted is the kingsnake which I did not intend on keeping.

Yet you are looking to trade your royal, which you traded your boa in for, which either got an ri in your care or got it from the pet store where you purchased it, who by chance also gave you some stellar advice on treating mites that your king snake ( which you're trading for a pair of ksb) has/had. Hmmmm.

Yet you wonder why we think you're a joke.

[Corey209]

Yet you are looking to trade your royal, which you traded your boa in for, which either got an ri in your care or got it from the pet store where you purchased it, who by chance also gave you some stellar advice on treating mites that your king snake ( which you're trading for a pair of ksb) has/had. Hmmmm.

Yet you wonder why we think you're a joke.

I'm not looking to trade my royal.. and the king snake I never intended on keeping. I've decided not to trade the king snake which is mite free and give him to the breeder free of charge. Not sure how any of that makes me a "joke" but okay.

One question though, you seem to have been around snakes awhile and you said I should ask questions and listen. Well my question is about when I first got the boa. They had sold me a used 40g for cheap and I did wash it with water but I did not thoroughly disinfect it. At the time I didn't even think about doing so which wasn't smart. Could the boa have contracted RI from the enclosure not being disinfected?

I will sit back and listen instead of piping into every thread if you can answer my questions from now on without being rude. Sound like a deal?

[KORBIN5895]

The short answer is yes it's possible.


The long answer is .....

There are two types of ri infection ( apparently there is a supposedly a third[fungal ri] which I haven't confirmed yet): viral and bacterial.

If it was a bacterial then I doubt the bacteria survived long enough to infect him.

If it was a virus the the fact that you didn't disinfect it makes that a possibility. An unlikely possibility but still possible.

Now as for the deal, post what you know, share your enthusiasm, ask questions and show off your pets.

[Corey209]

The short answer is yes it's possible.


The long answer is .....

There are two types of ri infection ( apparently there is a supposedly a third[fungal ri] which I haven't confirmed yet): viral and bacterial.

If it was a bacterial then I doubt the bacteria survived long enough to infect him.

If it was a virus the the fact that you didn't disinfect it makes that a possibility. An unlikely possibility but still possible.

Now as for the deal, post what you know, share your enthusiasm, ask questions and show off your pets.

I'm not sure how it originally got RI then.. but yeah I agree to this deal.