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Sheepylizzy
12-08-12, 02:09 PM
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This is a snake which i'm hoping to be re-homing soon. But we have no idea what sort of snake he is, we were thinking possibly a ratsnake or a cornsnake. I was hoping someone on here may know so we can estimate if he's going to get any bigger.
(I say he but it could be a she)

Thanks for your help
Kaity
12-08-12, 03:38 PM
Looks like a corn snake morph to me. Corns can hit six feet (large ones, anyway) and the males tend to be bigger than the females. Good luck re-homing.
StudentoReptile
12-08-12, 03:56 PM
I'm thinking ratsnake (Pantherophis obsoletus sp.), couldn't say what subspecies.
poison123
12-08-12, 09:24 PM
looks like a corn to me it also looks to be motly but i cant say for sure.

any way you can get a better pic from above?
Wyldrose
12-09-12, 12:17 AM
A nice clear headshot and belly pic would be nice. I see an anery motley cornsnake in that picture.
StudentoReptile
12-09-12, 06:51 AM
Hard to say, I'll admit, but how many grey ratsnakes have you actually laid eyes on? They are quite variable.

A belly shot would be nice.
Sheepylizzy
12-09-12, 09:09 AM
Thanks for the help so far guys. I were going to try and get some better shots but he/she took a strong disliking and striking for my mate's ipod which she was using to take the pics so we had to put him back to let him calm down. But i can tell you he/she hasn't got the usual checker patterned belly like most cornsnakes.
Sheepylizzy
12-09-12, 09:23 AM
A nice clear headshot and belly pic would be nice. I see an anery motley cornsnake in that picture.

After doing some googling i have to say he does look a lot like an 'Anery Caramel motley corn snake'.
Wyldrose
12-09-12, 10:02 AM
That is very possible. Anery and caramel don't work together so often if you have a homo anery and homo caramel you have a very anery looking animal. The amount of yellow on it's sides can be a normal anery trait. Animals that are het caramel tend to have lots of yellow as well.

Is his belly pure white? Motleys have no belly checks.
Also does his head have a clear pattern on it like this:
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j69/Pharfly/009-27.jpg
This is my anery motley she is a 3.5 year old female
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j69/Pharfly/021-25.jpg

If he doesn't have the same head pattern and he has belly checks its very likely that he is a grey rat snake.
StudentoReptile
12-09-12, 11:37 AM
Yeah, the pattenless head is what made me think grey rat snake, plus I've seen many over the past couple decades that look exactly like that.

Also, the OP's statement about the snake's disposition seems more akin to most of the grey rats I've known as opposed to a CB mutation corn snake.

But again, I could be mistaken.
EmbraceCalamity
12-09-12, 12:22 PM
http://www.herpsofnc.org/herps_of_nc/snakes/Elaobs/Elaphe%20obsoleta%20-%20obs%20x%20quad%20-%203%20-%20Eric%20Stine%20-%20CNM.jpg
Says it's a cross between yellow and black subspecies of rat snake. Looks similar to me, but god knows I'm not an expert.

~Maggot
Jason_Hood
12-13-12, 12:32 PM
Looks like a yellow rat X corn snake cross. Hard to say from that pic but it looks much like one.

Jason
EmbraceCalamity
12-13-12, 03:28 PM
Looks like a yellow rat X corn snake cross. Hard to say from that pic but it looks much like one.

JasonYou can cross corn and rat snakes?

~Maggot
Gungirl
12-13-12, 04:03 PM
You can cross corn and rat snakes?

~Maggot

Yes... seems to be fairly common
EmbraceCalamity
12-13-12, 04:04 PM
Yes... seems to be fairly commonI'd never heard of it, but I'm not a huge snake person. Kinda cool though.

~Maggot
poison123
12-13-12, 05:00 PM
I'd never heard of it, but I'm not a huge snake person. Kinda cool though.

~Maggot

corn snakes are rat snakes.
StudentoReptile
12-13-12, 05:09 PM
My first grey rat snake actually looked like that.
LunasKiss
12-13-12, 10:56 PM
corn snakes are rat snakes.

They are? I thought there was a difference. Care to educate me as to why people call them different things if they're the same or...?
I just heard that corns could be crossed with rat snakes so why not just say breed two corns? or two rats?
poison123
12-13-12, 11:13 PM
They are? I thought there was a difference. Care to educate me as to why people call them different things if they're the same or...?
I just heard that corns could be crossed with rat snakes so why not just say breed two corns? or two rats?

corn snakes are just a subspecies another name for them is "red rat snake".
LunasKiss
12-13-12, 11:18 PM
corn snakes are just a subspecies another name for them is "red rat snake".

Good to know! =)
StudentoReptile
12-14-12, 06:40 AM
All of them are in the genus Pantherophis (formerly Elaphe). The large "American" ratsnakes are under P. obsoletus and includes the black, grey, yellow, Texas, and Everglades ratsnakes (all different sub species). Corn snakes (sometimes called red rat snakes) are under the species P. guttatus, which also includes the Slowinski (or Kistatchie) corn, and the Great Plains (or Emory's) rat snake (also all sub species).

All of the above are rat snakes.
LunasKiss
12-14-12, 06:08 PM
All of them are in the genus Pantherophis (formerly Elaphe). The large "American" ratsnakes are under P. obsoletus and includes the black, grey, yellow, Texas, and Everglades ratsnakes (all different sub species). Corn snakes (sometimes called red rat snakes) are under the species P. guttatus, which also includes the Slowinski (or Kistatchie) corn, and the Great Plains (or Emory's) rat snake (also all sub species).

All of the above are rat snakes.

Thank you, that clears everything up for me. I need to do more research on snakes!
Snakeman8
12-15-12, 07:41 AM
yellow rat and corn snake cross, i just went to search possible corn snake hybrids, this looks just like the yellow rat cross.
Calsod
12-15-12, 03:04 PM
Difficult to tell from that pic. However, it looks to be either a motley anery corn snake, a motley caramel corn snake or a "greenish" rat snake. A greenish rat snake is a natural intergrade between a yellow and black rat snake. The greenish forms can be found along the coastal areas of the Carolina's. I've been breeding all these forms for decades and could tell you for sure with a better pic.
Calsod
12-15-12, 03:12 PM
BTW...I also breed "beast corns." These are corn snake X black rat snake hybrids. So, I'm very familiar with the look of corn/rat hybrids and would be able to tell you if it's one of those too....but a clearer pic is needed. :)