What Herp Do I Get?

[EmbraceCalamity]

Okay, I have a confession to make. My crocodile gecko escaped. I put her in a new enclosure:
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h74/MidnightRainbow/Setup.jpg
I worked really hard on it, and I was really excited about it, but there was a tiny tear in the screen on the side. I never thought she could get out of it (my sister looked at it and agreed), so I wasn't in a huge rush to fix it, but I've looked all over in the enclosure and couldn't find her, so she must have. I tore my room apart but couldn't find her. I hate myself for making such a stupid mistake, and criticism is deserved here. But that's what happened.

So I now have this enclosure that I worked hard on and nothing to put in it. I'm not usually one of those people who's like, "Oh, I have an empty enclosure. I MUST buy something!" But I worked hard on this and really enjoy it, so I'd hate to see it go to waste. I'm going to a reptile show next weekend, so I might be able to pick up something there. My issue is I'm trying to figure out what. Because the front of the setup is screen, it doesn't hold a lot of humidity, and most arboreal animals require high humidity levels. So my only current idea is waxy monkey frogs (thanks to Aaron). Anyone else have any ideas? Or would one of these be worth getting and allow me to get something with higher humidity requirements? HerpSupplies.com - Tropic Aire Humidifier and Air Exchanger - Tropic Aire Humidifier and Air Exchanger* Constantly supplies fresh, humi... (http://www.herpsupplies.com/product.cfm?groupid=10402&id=SIM90026) There are a bunch of geckos I want, but they require higher humidity. And suggestions don't have to be geckos. They can be anything.

The bottom is 16" x 16" and it's 30" tall. It's about 33 gallons, I believe.

Thanks for anyone who bothers reading all of that.

~Maggot

[Terranaut]

Just be aware a snake will require you to alter the light so they don't get burned.
Might I suggest another gecko. The viv is made for one right?
Tree frog might be cool. Truth is you have to get what you want.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Just be aware a snake will require you to alter the light so they don't get burned.
Might I suggest another gecko. The viv is made for one right?
Tree frog might be cool. Truth is you have to get what you want.Alter how?

Yeah, but the problem with most geckos - as well as frogs - is that they require higher humidity than this enclosure can maintain because of the screen front, hence my question about the humidifier.

~Maggot

[Aaron_S]

How about just plant it up and just grow plants?

If you decide to go with just plants, some simple small lizards may work. Something like long tailed grass lizards.

[EmbraceCalamity]

How about just plant it up and just grow plants?

If you decide to go with just plants, some simple small lizards may work. Something like long tailed grass lizards.Aren't those ground-dwelling too? :p There's not a ton of floor space for plants. I was gonna add more anyway though.

~Maggot

[dinosaurdammit]

what about those geckos from the insurance company? Day geckos are awesome.

[EmbraceCalamity]

what about those geckos from the insurance company? Day geckos are awesome.Depends what kind. There are tons of different species of day geckos. They all require higher humidity than this setup can maintain on its own though (even with misting), so I'd need to get a humidifier. But I don't know how much that would raise the humidity levels.

I've personally always wanted a peacock day gecko, but there are a bunch of kinds of day geckos that I'd love to have.

~Maggot

[Trent]

Whites tree frogs or Cuban tree frogs??
Whites are awesome:yes:

[EmbraceCalamity]

Whites tree frogs or Cuban tree frogs??
Whites are awesome:yes:Whites require 70% (and a setup that's 1/3 water), and Cubans require 60% to 90% humidity.

Nobody knows about raising the humidity in this kind of setup? What about putting a piece of plastic over the front? Would that make it difficult to see in?

~Maggot

[Trent]

Whites require 70% (and a setup that's 1/3 water), and Cubans require 60% to 90% humidity.

Nobody knows about raising the humidity in this kind of setup?

~Maggot

Not sure where you got your third water for Whites setup,but I have had whites for four years,without a third of the water setup.Just a decent size water bowl,but okay....have kept cubans around 60% humidity.. same as the whites.

[Lankyrob]

How difficult would it be to change the front to galss sliding doors? And obviously ensure you repair anythin that needs it beforee any other animal goes in there :)

[reptileexperts]

Khul's Flying Geckos. Love them.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Not sure where you got your third water for Whites setup,but I have had whites for four years,without a third of the water setup.Just a decent size water bowl,but okay....have kept cubans around 60% humidity.. same as the whites.That was what some quick research on a frog forum turned up. But wouldn't a "decent sized water bowl" be a decent amount of water for the setup? And again, my setup can't maintain 60% as it is.How difficult would it be to change the front to galss sliding doors? And obviously ensure you repair anythin that needs it beforee any other animal goes in there :)Well it's a Reptibreeze Terrarium, I believe, so I'd have no idea how to put glass doors in there. And of course, yeah, it'll need fixed first.Khul's Flying Geckos. Love them.Another kind I've always wanted, but again, humidity.

Seriously, guys, humidity. I can't get anything with high humidity requirements unless I can figure out a way to raise the humidity.

~Maggot

[reptileexperts]

I've raised Khul's back in 2003-2006, using just a tall tank with cypress mulch that was sprayed every couple of days and an OK sized water bowel at the bottom. Humidity was not an issue even with a screen top :-) but I live in south east texas where humidity on any given day is 100% outside

[EmbraceCalamity]

I've raised Khul's back in 2003-2006, using just a tall tank with cypress mulch that was sprayed every couple of days and an OK sized water bowel at the bottom. Humidity was not an issue even with a screen top :-) but I live in south east texas where humidity on any given day is 100% outsideThat's not at all helpful, as I don't live in southeast Texas and our humidity during the winter isn't 100% and the humidity in the setup isn't high enough.

I just need to know how to raise the humidity or find an animal that doesn't require tons of humidity. That's all I'm asking for.

~Maggot

[Aaron_S]

That's not at all helpful, as I don't live in southeast Texas and our humidity during the winter isn't 100% and the humidity in the setup isn't high enough.

I just need to know how to raise the humidity or find an animal that doesn't require tons of humidity. That's all I'm asking for.

~Maggot

You're not going to find your choice animal I think that will live in your specific enclosure.

It's rather difficult since most low humidity animals are terrestrial and your enclosure is set for arboreal.

Personally, green anoles.

[reptileexperts]

Actually it is helpful . . . it means that humidity can be raised fine with the proper substrate and large enough water bowl with perhaps the lamp shining over the water to allow for quicker evaporation. If you can mist every 2-3 days and keep the cypress damp and not "wet" you'll have no issues with humidity. You can also place a wet rag on the top of screening. This will drip all day into the cage and seal off the places where heat exits with the humidity. It helps to cycle the air inside the enclosure. . . but then again what do I know?

[EmbraceCalamity]

You're not going to find your choice animal I think that will live in your specific enclosure.

It's rather difficult since most low humidity animals are terrestrial and your enclosure is set for arboreal.

Personally, green anoles.I suspected (except for the monkey frogs), hence my question about raising the humidity levels.Actually it is helpful . . . it means that humidity can be raised fine with the proper substrate and large enough water bowl with perhaps the lamp shining over the water to allow for quicker evaporation. If you can mist every 2-3 days and keep the cypress damp and not "wet" you'll have no issues with humidity. You can also place a wet rag on the top of screening. This will drip all day into the cage and seal off the places where heat exits with the humidity. It helps to cycle the air inside the enclosure. . . but then again what do I know?How did any of that come from your post that you live in southeast Texas with 100% humidity so you have no problems with humidity in your setup? I can try all of that, but I seriously doubt that's going to bring my humidity up to tropical levels because I live in a dry house in a dry area during a dry winter. I'll try it anyway though. But wouldn't heat and humidity exit more out the front, not the top?

~Maggot

[dinosaurdammit]

whats the humidity like for tokays? those things are awesome

[EmbraceCalamity]

whats the humidity like for tokays? those things are awesomeSame, very high.

~Maggot

[Terranaut]

Standings Day Gecko. Doesn't require much humidity and loves the type of enclosure you have.
Mine
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j9/terranaut0/photo-2128.jpg

[EmbraceCalamity]

That's a good idea, and that's a pretty gecko. :) How many could live in a 33 gallon?

~Maggot

[Terranaut]

It's funny I was going to post a link to a care sheet but the 3 I read through all said different stuff. I only keep one. I know they like lots of room and hardly ever walk on the ground. They are not good for handling and move at sub warp speeds :) They eat meal worms, crickets and small dubia as well I keep a small blob of gecko diet in there and he eats it too. They rarely drink from a bowl but preffer to lick their water off a branch or vine so daily misting is important. My snake room is 50% humidity and I mist every night before bed. Mine will hand feed but is still quite skiddish. I do not supplement calcium on the insects as there is added calcium in the gecko diet I use. I keep my temps about 87-90 during the day and falls to 75 at night. I have ambient natural light in the room so I do not use a uv light in the viv. Your light inside your viv like that is a danger to anything that climbs or jumps so I would change it. I can't think of anything else but if you do just ask. The paterns on them are hard to see in low light but when the sun hits him its quite dramatic. This is my first "display" pet. I like to handle my reptiles but these have very thin skin so handling is to be avoided.

[EmbraceCalamity]

It's funny I was going to post a link to a care sheet but the 3 I read through all said different stuff. I only keep one. I know they like lots of room and hardly ever walk on the ground. They are not good for handling and move at sub warp speeds :) They eat meal worms, crickets and small dubia as well I keep a small blob of gecko diet in there and he eats it too. They rarely drink from a bowl but preffer to lick their water off a branch or vine so daily misting is important. My snake room is 50% humidity and I mist every night before bed. Mine will hand feed but is still quite skiddish. I do not supplement calcium on the insects as there is added calcium in the gecko diet I use. I keep my temps about 87-90 during the day and falls to 75 at night. I have ambient natural light in the room so I do not use a uv light in the viv. Your light inside your viv like that is a danger to anything that climbs or jumps so I would change it. I can't think of anything else but if you do just ask. The paterns on them are hard to see in low light but when the sun hits him its quite dramatic. This is my first "display" pet. I like to handle my reptiles but these have very thin skin so handling is to be avoided.1) You mean CGD, right?
2) I thought windows are built to filter out UVB? I'd probably get a UVB just to be safe.
3) Sorry, how is it a danger? I'm a little confused about that.
4) I'm not really into handling. I'm happy to if the reptile is one for handling, but I have plenty of other pets that really enjoy it. :p

~Maggot

[Jay]

Have you thought of a pet Rock? Low humidity requirement and they can be kept in your enclosure.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Have you thought of a pet Rock? Low humidity requirement and they can be kept in your enclosure.Oh my god. That's brilliant! What morph? =o

~Maggot

[Jay]

Oh my god. That's brilliant! What morph? =o

~Maggot

River rock is my favorite. Lol

[EmbraceCalamity]

River rock is my favorite. LolDo you breed them? Maybe i should start a rock garden colony. =o

~Maggot

[Jay]

Do you breed them? Maybe i should start a rock garden colony. =o

~Maggot

Just wc, I've never had success breeding. A few members on here breed them.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Just wc, I've never had success breeding. A few members on here breed them.I kinda like these guys though:
http://tuesdayshorse.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/waxy-monkey-tree-frog.jpg

THEY'RE SO ADORABLY UGLY. :D

~Maggot

[Terranaut]

Well in the pic it looks like the light is open, unprotected and inside the viv. A snake can reach up and touch the hot surface. A day gecko can jump right onto the bulb.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Well in the pic it looks like the light is open, unprotected and inside the viv. A snake can reach up and touch the hot surface. A day gecko can jump right onto the bulb.It's not. I'm not that dumb. ;) There's a screen on top, and the light is sitting on top of the screen. Even at the very closest part of the screen to the light, they would still be several inches from the bulb.

~Maggot

[Terranaut]

It's not. I'm not that dumb. ;) There's a screen on top, and the light is sitting on top of the screen. Even at the very closest part of the screen to the light, they would still be several inches from the bulb.

~Maggot


Cool then it's fine.I second the Standings then ,great to watch!!

[EmbraceCalamity]

Cool then it's fine.I second the Standings then ,great to watch!!It depends on what's at the show too. I've never been to a reptile show before, so I have no idea what to expect, and I dunno what will be there. I might be SOL and not have anything available I can get, which would suck. :(

~Maggot

[EmbraceCalamity]

Anyone familiar with these guys?
GeckoList.com - Photos of Cyrtodactylus elok (Malaysia Bow-fingered Gecko, White-eyed Forest Gecko) (http://www.geckolist.com/gallery/Cyrtodactylus+elok/index.php)

From what little I could find, it looks like they're arboreal, small, and don't require super high humidity or temps.

EDIT: Nevermind. Looks like males are arboreal, but females aren't.

~Maggot

[EmbraceCalamity]

Weirdest development ever:
So I've had the door to the viv open for the past several days so I could repair it and because I looked all over in there to find her and was sure she was gone. Well tonight as I was going to bed, I happened to see some movement and saw she was hanging out inside. So either she found Narnia in there and is the worst escape artist evur, or she went back in after she escaped. Either way, it's weird. I checked her over and there was no sign of any injuries. I gave her a cricket to see if she'd eat, which she didn't, even though I haven't put food in there the past few days. So...hell if I know what happened.

~Maggot

[MoreliAddict]

Weird.

Guess this thread is irrelevant now.. lol

[DragonsEye]

Glad you found the little bugger.

Guess this thread is irrelevant now.. lol

Despite the (now) lack of relevancy, as for tweaking that tank so as to retain more humidity, my suggestion would have been to obtain a thin sheet of plexiglass and use silicone or hot glue to affix it over the screened area. Perhaps if you decide to revamp the tank someday, the idea will prove useful.

[lady_bug87]

Weirdest development ever:
So I've had the door to the viv open for the past several days so I could repair it and because I looked all over in there to find her and was sure she was gone. Well tonight as I was going to bed, I happened to see some movement and saw she was hanging out inside. So either she found Narnia in there and is the worst escape artist evur, or she went back in after she escaped. Either way, it's weird. I checked her over and there was no sign of any injuries. I gave her a cricket to see if she'd eat, which she didn't, even though I haven't put food in there the past few days. So...hell if I know what happened.

~Maggot

when I first got my boa she escaped from a completely locked enclosure. no holes are in it, no gaps, nothing, the lid was tight she was just out some how...

It's a mystery. damn animals

[EmbraceCalamity]

Glad you found the little bugger.



Despite the (now) lack of relevancy, as for tweaking that tank so as to retain more humidity, my suggestion would have been to obtain a thin sheet of plexiglass and use silicone or hot glue to affix it over the screened area. Perhaps if you decide to revamp the tank someday, the idea will prove useful.I just didn't know if that would interfere with my ability to see into the enclosure. Thankfully croc geckos don't need very high humidity so I doubt that'll be necessary, but if I end up with it empty again (permanently), I'll try that.

~Maggot