Moving to germany with reptiles

[dinosaurdammit]

I need help understanding how to pack my reptiles. I really could use advice on how to get my animals ready for the big pcs- yes its 6 months away but I will be damned if I am unprepared as they are my family. How much would it cost? I get so much conflicting info on the web so if anyone knows of sites with correct info I will love you forever.

I need to ship my:

two CWD (about 2.5 foot long)
two boas (about 5.5 to 6 feet)
one goulds/argus cross (3.5/4 foot)

[KORBIN5895]

First you need to get a hold of the united states fish and wildlife service as your boas are class two cites. That means you will probably need a permit.

[Zoo Nanny]

A good reptile vet will be authorized to complete all of your paperwork along with the chips. There are also companies that will assist with the entire process and permitting for you. This is just an example of one, I can't vouch for them. Pet Shipping & Transportation To or From Any City In The World ! (http://www.vippettransport.com/) As a heads up if you intend to move back to the US check out the permitting required to come back in also. People I know had a very difficult time bringing their macaw back into the US, it took them a couple of years.

[dinosaurdammit]

I am having the hardest time finding airlines that ship reptiles. I keep getting the run around, is there anyone i could ship to who would ship them over seas for us? I cant part with them, they mean so much.

[Zoo Nanny]

Did you check out the websites that ship to different countries? There are quite a few of them available. This company advertises shipping of exotics and all types of animals.
Animal Transport, Animal Shipping, Pet Transport, Pet Shipping, Pet Travel, Pet Relocation - Aark Air International (http://www.aarkair.com/)

[marvelfreak]

You will also need to check on where you are moving to be sure it's legal to keep them and to fine out if you need permits. Plus there's the whole quarantine policy. Shipping exotics international many countries will hold them in quarantine.

[dinosaurdammit]

You will also need to check on where you are moving to be sure it's legal to keep them and to fine out if you need permits. Plus there's the whole quarantine policy. Shipping exotics international many countries will hold them in quarantine.

germany doesnt do quarantine on reptiles or dogs/cats with up to date health certs. My only problem is finding someone who will ship them, everything else is covered.

[KORBIN5895]

germany doesnt do quarantine on reptiles or dogs/cats with up to date health certs. My only problem is finding someone who will ship them, everything else is covered.

You already have a class two cites permit?

[Zoo Nanny]

I gave you 2 different sites of companies that will ship them. They will also help you get all of the necessary paper work including the cites permits.

Statements from this site Animal Transport, Animal Shipping, Pet Transport, Pet Shipping, Pet Travel, Pet Relocation - Aark Air International (http://www.aarkair.com/)
"We are unique in that we transport Small Animals, Large Animals, Exotics, Birds, and Reptiles."
"We provide Airline and USDA Approved Flight Kennels.
We Perform Complete Review of Travel Documents.
Compliance with all Transportation Regulations."

[dinosaurdammit]

You already have a class two cites permit?

my vet is in the process of getting all the paperwork taken care of

I gave you 2 different sites of companies that will ship them. They will also help you get all of the necessary paper work including the cites permits.

Statements from this site Animal Transport, Animal Shipping, Pet Transport, Pet Shipping, Pet Travel, Pet Relocation - Aark Air International (http://www.aarkair.com/)
"We are unique in that we transport Small Animals, Large Animals, Exotics, Birds, and Reptiles."
"We provide Airline and USDA Approved Flight Kennels.
We Perform Complete Review of Travel Documents.
Compliance with all Transportation Regulations."


i will have to look into them, most i call WONT deal with reptiles even though their site says they do :/

[KORBIN5895]

my vet is in the process of getting all the paperwork taken care of




i will have to look into them, most i call WONT deal with reptiles even though their site says they do :/

I highly doubt your vet is getting you a cites permit. That takes a lot of work. Take my advice and call the uswf like I said.

[Aaron_S]

A good reptile vet will be authorized to complete all of your paperwork along with the chips. There are also companies that will assist with the entire process and permitting for you. This is just an example of one, I can't vouch for them. Pet Shipping & Transportation To or From Any City In The World ! (http://www.vippettransport.com/) As a heads up if you intend to move back to the US check out the permitting required to come back in also. People I know had a very difficult time bringing their macaw back into the US, it took them a couple of years.

You may be experienced with shipping avians or mammals but reptiles aren't like that.

I know people who do it on their own without vets and chips. I know breeders who go to Germany for shows and then come back. Personally, I would contact Bob Clark, possibly NERD or one of the other big ball breeders who regularily ship overseas.

As Kevin stated, call USWF on your own. I would also check your local municipal laws where you plan to stay in Germany to ensure your animals are all legal there.

[dinosaurdammit]

I highly doubt your vet is getting you a cites permit. That takes a lot of work. Take my advice and call the uswf like I said.

You may be experienced with shipping avians or mammals but reptiles aren't like that.

I know people who do it on their own without vets and chips. I know breeders who go to Germany for shows and then come back. Personally, I would contact Bob Clark, possibly NERD or one of the other big ball breeders who regularily ship overseas.

As Kevin stated, call USWF on your own. I would also check your local municipal laws where you plan to stay in Germany to ensure your animals are all legal there.


its ok where we are going to have them and the FW center is closed, ive tried calling 3 times.

[Zoo Nanny]

It's the boas that he will need the chips and documentation for due to the Cites class 2 listing of all boas. I agree with Kevin USWF is the best place to start to get accurate info.

[Aaron_S]

It's the boas that he will need the chips and documentation for due to the Cites class 2 listing of all boas. I agree with Kevin USWF is the best place to start to get accurate info.

Do you need chips just for overseas or over any border?

[Zoo Nanny]

I believe it's any travel between countries. There is one boa the Argentine that is class one and is very difficult to ship if at all.

[Aaron_S]

I believe it's any travel between countries. There is one boa the Argentine that is class one and is very difficult to ship if at all.

So I'm going to say you're wrong about the chips and CITES 2 animals. Ball pythons are and they don't require chips.

[Zoo Nanny]

Here is a link explaining the requirements per USFW
Permits - FAQ's and Facts Index "B" (http://www.fws.gov/permits/faqs/FaqB.html)
excerpt pertaining to pet Boas
Boa, Pet

Do I need a permit to import or export my pet boa? All snakes in the Boidae family (boas, pythons) are listed in CITES Appendix I or II. Some are also listed as endangered or threatened under the ESA. Commonly held pets, such as the boa constrictor (Boa constrictor) [excluding the Argentine boa (B. c. occidentalis) which is listed in Appendix I], ball python (Python regius), and reticulated python (P. reticulatus), are listed in Appendix II. Check the lists to determine how the boa you own is protected. (If the species name is not individually listed on the CITES list, the species is listed in Appendix II.)

To export an Appendix-II species from the United States, you need a CITES permit. Click here for an application form. Contact the foreign country to meet its requirements.
To import an Appendix-II or Appendix-I pet snake into the United States, you need a CITES permit issued by the exporting country.
To import a snake listed in Appendix I you may also need a permit from us unless the foreign country has issued a CITES bred-in-captivity certificate. To import a snake listed under the ESA, you need a permit from us. Click here for an application form.
You must import or export your pet boa through a designated port unless you have received a port exception permit. You must notify the FWS wildlife inspection office at the port of entry or exit at least 48 hours in advance, present our declaration form to the wildlife inspectors, and receive clearance from us prior to export or at the time of import. We will validate any U.S. CITES permits during this clearance process."

[Aaron_S]

Here is a link explaining the requirements per USFW
Permits - FAQ's and Facts Index "B" (http://www.fws.gov/permits/faqs/FaqB.html)
excerpt pertaining to pet Boas
Boa, Pet

Do I need a permit to import or export my pet boa? All snakes in the Boidae family (boas, pythons) are listed in CITES Appendix I or II. Some are also listed as endangered or threatened under the ESA. Commonly held pets, such as the boa constrictor (Boa constrictor) [excluding the Argentine boa (B. c. occidentalis) which is listed in Appendix I], ball python (Python regius), and reticulated python (P. reticulatus), are listed in Appendix II. Check the lists to determine how the boa you own is protected. (If the species name is not individually listed on the CITES list, the species is listed in Appendix II.)

To export an Appendix-II species from the United States, you need a CITES permit. Click here for an application form. Contact the foreign country to meet its requirements.
To import an Appendix-II or Appendix-I pet snake into the United States, you need a CITES permit issued by the exporting country.
To import a snake listed in Appendix I you may also need a permit from us unless the foreign country has issued a CITES bred-in-captivity certificate. To import a snake listed under the ESA, you need a permit from us. Click here for an application form.
You must import or export your pet boa through a designated port unless you have received a port exception permit. You must notify the FWS wildlife inspection office at the port of entry or exit at least 48 hours in advance, present our declaration form to the wildlife inspectors, and receive clearance from us prior to export or at the time of import. We will validate any U.S. CITES permits during this clearance process."

Now where in that does it state I need to chip an animal? I know all about the permits as I've personally imported CITES 2.

[Zoo Nanny]

I did read it but am having trouble locating the info. I still say his best bet is to contact USWF for the correct info. I may be mistaken on the chip but I do think it's needed to ship in to Germany.

[Zoo Nanny]

My mistake it is ISIS animals that are microchipped.