Thoughts on logo

[Strutter769]

The name "Next Generation Boas" is the work of Barely Breathing (Thank you again. You're awesome!) and the logo is a result of the combination of a few ideas, put together by Ryan (Mr. Barely Breathing, of Barely Breathing Studios).

Please, let me know your honest opinion! (Any opinions deemed to be smoke being blown up any orifice will be discounted and deleted! .jk)

I've been told the picture doesn't really fit the rest of the phone, and perhaps should maybe be a drawing? Thoughts on that?

Thanks everyone!

[Gungirl]

I like the name but I am not liking the logo.. it looks cheep. I would change the face shot to a group shot or at least a full body shot of some sort.

[lady_bug87]

I think an illustration would make it pop and it would be easier to replicate on business rads and banners and stuff

[Zoo Nanny]

The picture seems to just wash out the effect, I think an illustration staying to the black and white would stand out.

[BarelyBreathing]

I like the name but I am not liking the logo.. it looks cheep. I would change the face shot to a group shot or at least a full body shot of some sort.

This was actually my thought, too. A nice group shot- a MGB, a Surinam, and a rainbow. :)

A huge problem is that Roy and I are states apart and I can't take the photo myself.

[Gungirl]

So instead of a photo do an nice illustration. I think it would still look good and allow you to position them exactly how you want them to be.

[KORBIN5895]

Try that head in monochrome.

[Strutter769]

Thanks everyone for you ideas. I like the idea of a drawing to stick with the b/w theme. Hopefully that's easy to do. I really like the idea of monochrome! (but I don't think my photographer's camera has the capability.) I can do that on my Smartphone, but it's not high enough resolution to allow the photo to be enlarged for a banner.

My initial idea was to make the scales monochrome, but that seemed really tough to do. I really like the way they turned out!

I originally also thought of using all three heads, in a kind of forked formation, facing downward. My wife didn't really like the idea, with good reason I think, and that was, if Boa Constrictors get added to the Lacey Act, that head would need to be removed.

[Lankyrob]

I am with the rest, i like the text but the snake doesnt fit :)

[Strutter769]

You have no idea what I went through to get that picture! Lol Totally kidding guys. That has nothing to do with anything.

Please, keep the feedback coming. The more the better.

[promdom]

the text is perfect and i think a really nice illustration would fit well

[DragonsEye]

Yet another voice in support of the name and text style but not of the photo at the center of the logo. A groups shot, or interesting illustration would be better.

[Strutter769]

Seems to be a common theme here. That's great! I think that makes it easier to enhance.

[Wildside]

First things first:

Can you illustrate?

You can change any photo to monochrome with an editing program.

That picture is awful. It's blurry and dull.

The rounded font looks cliche and will limit where you can use that logo. I try not to ever round anything because it looks "canned".

[TragicTaste]

Its pretty simple to turn a photo into an illustration, and if you are going to do an illustration, i think a full body would look better than a head shot.

[TragicTaste]

The rounded font looks cliche and will limit where you can use that logo. I try not to ever round anything because it looks "canned".

^
This as well

[Strutter769]

OK, yeah I right it was pretty simple, and that's been confirmed. I also should have a few body shots to choose from, so I should be able to do that tonight when I get them from my photographer. I plan to try both the drawing and monochrome ideas.

[Strutter769]

I really want to go with kind of a "futuristic" look (Next Generation), and I think the monochrome might do that really well. Definitely going with a full body shot.

[jaleely]

like the text...it's the photo of the snake is kind of dark, and has the black blurry border around it. it either needs to all be photo, or all be photoshopped. A full body photo with good color in the center, or an illustration.
simple white, with black snake head outline, then the black border with white text : )

[Wildside]

Its pretty simple to turn a photo into an illustration, and if you are going to do an illustration, i think a full body would look better than a head shot.

It's not simple to turn a low quality photo into something of high quality.

[TragicTaste]

It's not simple to turn a low quality photo into something of high quality.

That is very true, I will agree that it is much easier to start with high quality to end with high quality, but my wife and I are graphic designers so I would say for me creating a black and white illustration from a photograph is a fairly simple task.

[Strutter769]

OK, we're going with a different pic that hopefully won't have to be touched up.

[Wildside]

That is very true, I will agree that it is much easier to start with high quality to end with high quality, but my wife and I are graphic designers so I would say for me creating a black and white illustration from a photograph is a fairly simple task.

I'm also a designer, and while it may be a simple task for you it may not be for the OP.

[Strutter769]

Thanks, Wildside. The designer knows all about that stuff and can definitely do it with the programs he uses. I hope to have an amazing PICT to use, with whatever format I end up using. Without seeing either, obviously, I am really leaning towards the monochrome.

Stay tuned!

[TragicTaste]

Thanks, Wildside. The designer knows all about that stuff and can definitely do it with the programs he uses. I hope to have an amazing PICT to use, with whatever format I end up using. Without seeing either, obviously, I am really leaning towards the monochrome.

Stay tuned!

I am interested to see what you guys come up with, I love logo progressions, and it sounds like you have a good handle on what your looking for. It should be nice!

[Wildside]

Thanks, Wildside. The designer knows all about that stuff and can definitely do it with the programs he uses. I hope to have an amazing PICT to use, with whatever format I end up using. Without seeing either, obviously, I am really leaning towards the monochrome.

Stay tuned!

I honestly can't believe an actual designer did that for you :pissedoff:

I'm pretty bad about not reading through posts carefully and all this time I thought you'd done that yourself.

[Jay]

http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m517/jay0133/LOGO.jpg

[Wildside]

http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m517/jay0133/LOGO.jpg


Much Much Much Much Better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

+1 to you Jay

[Wildside]

That is how a logo should be done.

[Jay]

2yrs in Sales and Marketing, another in Small Business Management. I just whipped that one up in a few minutes you should see what I would do for a few free hold back Suri's.

[Wildside]

2yrs in Sales and Marketing, another in Small Business Management. I just whipped that one up in a few minutes you should see what I would do for a few free hold back Suri's.

Somethin' like this maybe?

http://i45.servimg.com/u/f45/14/05/59/04/hillsi10.jpg

I would probably do naughty things for a holdback suri

[Strutter769]

Thanks for the ideas!

Well, the actual design was a few ideas I had. Remember, I'm not really creative.

@ Jay, I like it a lot! Just doesn't fit my image of futuristic, "Next Generation" idea. That's the main reason I really like the monochrome idea. (Wow, not one, but two hold back Suri's! You do expensive work!

@ Wildside, Not really what I imagined. I do like the chrome lettering. Kind of what I'm picturing for the snake.. with some texture to it.

[Wildside]

Thanks for the ideas!

Well, the actual design was a few ideas I had. Remember, I'm not really creative.

@ Jay, I like it a lot! Just doesn't fit my image of futuristic, "Next Generation" idea. That's the main reason I really like the monochrome idea. (Wow, not one, but two hold back Suri's! You do expensive work!

@ Wildside, Not really what I imagined. I do like the chrome lettering. Kind of what I'm picturing for the snake.. with some texture to it.

It wasn't meant for your snake Hon, that's why it says "Auto Body". It's just one that took me a good deal of work as the customer wanted an Ed Roth inspired piece. Sort of a comparison of the quality that's acceptable fora few holdback suri's ;)

[Jay]

Thanks for the ideas!

Well, the actual design was a few ideas I had. Remember, I'm not really creative.

@ Jay, I like it a lot! Just doesn't fit my image of futuristic, "Next Generation" idea. That's the main reason I really like the monochrome idea. (Wow, not one, but two hold back Suri's! You do expensive work!

@ Wildside, Not really what I imagined. I do like the chrome lettering. Kind of what I'm picturing for the snake.. with some texture to it.

Ok, fine just one will do.

[TragicTaste]

@ Jay. (Wow, not one, but two hold back Suri's! You do expensive work!


Man that is what I was thinking, haha! But that is a pretty sweet design for thrown together.

[Strutter769]

Yeah it totally fits the company really well.

[alessia55]

I'm not sure I really like original all that much either. I kind of wish it were a whole body shot, or more than one snake.

[Jay]

Yeah it totally fits the company really well.

If that's to me you can use it as you please, I'm kidding about the suri's.

[Strutter769]

@ Jay, thank you!

I actually meant that Wildside's logo completely matched Hillside's name and industry!

This is my idea for the snake's coloration.

Leather Texture Background | Stock Photo | iStock (http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-16080793-leather-texture-background.php?st=4214199)

[BarelyBreathing]

It was done by an actual graphic designer, who has art hanging all over the US and has loyal national and international clients. However, he was limited in what he could do because he was following specific directions and limited to a specific picture. We are states apart and I can't take the photo myself. My graphic designer can easily illustrate it, but that wasn't what was asked.

[Strutter769]

^^^^Yep^^^^^

My lack of creativity, trying to convey in writing,with just some crappy pics was all there was to my idea. He wasn't asked to design anything, just to try and put my thoughts before my eyes to see what my brain couldn't.

Over I weren't very impressed with This version, I wouldn't have shown it off, really.

Now I'm getting great ideas to make it even better!

[Strutter769]

Or, at least I WAS getting some great ideas. Lol

[DragonsEye]

Have to admit that with "Next Generation" involved in the name, what I first expected to see was a snake sitting in the captain's seat of the Enterprise or a snake inspired starship (like a Romulan/Klingon "Bird of Prey" or "Warbird"). :D




http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk143/faeini1/StarTrekBeamUpSmiley.gif

[Strutter769]

Yeah, I totally understand that. If I were more of a Trekkie, that might have dawned on me sooner. I still love the concept of the name. I think when we get some monochrome into the logo though, it'll all tie n and make more sense.

[TragicTaste]

Im liking the texture you chose to use for a snake image, it will look good without color and a little extra contrast. Im still curious as to what your going for when you say "new generation" does that mean it is supposed to feel futuristic?

[Strutter769]

My mission is to make each litter (or generation) even more colorful, more vibrant, cleaner, and overall just more impressive than its parents.

[Jay]

Honestly a good designer would have taken the info you gave them and made a propper logo with their skills.

[Aaron_S]

I would suggest renaming yourself "NexGen Boas" I think it gets the point across and sounds kind of cool. Really, it's just short for Next Generation in case noone got that...

Also, if you decide to, you can PM for the cost of my intellectual property ;)

[Gungirl]

^ Ohhh I like that thought. I think that name is much better. :)

[StudentoReptile]

I didn't read the whole thread, but as a graphic designer, I would concur with most everyone else that using a photograph rarely works well as a logo. You need an illustrated vector image.

As far as getting someone to do it, we've talked about it a little in private, but to put it simply, you get what you pay for.

[Strutter769]

I kicked around the "Next Gen" idea for a while. I do like it. In fact, I now have both nextgenboas.com and nextgenerationboas.com. Linked of course so either will work.

Next Gen might fit better into a logo also.

You don't think it sounds cheap, or generic I guess are the words that come to mind? Would it only appeal to a younger demographic?

[Aaron_S]

Drop the T...NexGen as one word I think looks better. I'd personally even steal the grey and light blue of "InGen" from Jurassic Park.... kind of got that theme. Your breedings will continue to keep the past relevant and "improved".

[Wildside]

Honestly a good designer would have taken the info you gave them and made a propper logo with their skills.

This is what I've been trying to say.

[KORBIN5895]

Drop the T...NexGen as one word I think looks better. I'd personally even steal the grey and light blue of "InGen" from Jurassic Park.... kind of got that theme. Your breedings will continue to keep the past relevant and "improved".

Dis you really just reference jp? You're such a nerd.

[Aaron_S]

Dis you really just reference jp? You're such a nerd.

Don't be a hater.

[lady_bug87]

oh Aaron you're such a flirt

[dinosaurdammit]

I didn't read the whole thread, but as a graphic designer, I would concur with most everyone else that using a photograph rarely works well as a logo. You need an illustrated vector image.

As far as getting someone to do it, we've talked about it a little in private, but to put it simply, you get what you pay for.

This i can do and id be alright to do it for free as long as you pimped my name out

[TragicTaste]

NexGen sounds nice, and I think it would make for a more relevant sounding company name. Props on that suggestion.

[Aaron_S]

NexGen sounds nice, and I think it would make for a more relevant sounding company name. Props on that suggestion.

I'm not just a pretty face ;)

[KORBIN5895]

I'm not just a pretty face ;)

According to mykee you definitely have other uses.

[Wildside]

According to mykee you definitely have other uses.

No kidding :rolleyes:

[lady_bug87]

Yea I hear he makes a great quiche

[Aaron_S]

Don't be jealous folks....

[Wildside]

Yea I hear he makes a great quiche

I heard he looks pretty boss as a schoolgirl

[lady_bug87]

now THAT i need to see....

[Wildside]

now THAT i need to see....

I have a pic

[lady_bug87]

oooo nice... I bet he has great legs

[dinosaurdammit]

Drop the T...NexGen as one word I think looks better. I'd personally even steal the grey and light blue of "InGen" from Jurassic Park.... kind of got that theme. Your breedings will continue to keep the past relevant and "improved".



something like this?

http://i1258.photobucket.com/albums/ii538/dinosaurdammit/nextgenboa2.jpg
http://i1258.photobucket.com/albums/ii538/dinosaurdammit/nextgenboa.jpg

[Aaron_S]

Nex...not Next.

And no. Not like that.

[dinosaurdammit]

Nex...not Next.

And no. Not like that.


what then exactly? vectoring is a pain in the butt to do. something more descriptive would help- its like a lady walking into a store "oh i want a dress but i dont want it like this or like this, maybe something like this but oh i dont know"


I am tempted to just draw a velociraptor chomping down on a grilled cheese and call it a day.

[Strutter769]

I'm working now to get a workable picture but I thought my RAZR. Maxx had a monochrome setting, but it only has "Negative" So I'm playing around with that idea.

[Aaron_S]

what then exactly? vectoring is a pain in the butt to do. something more descriptive would help- its like a lady walking into a store "oh i want a dress but i dont want it like this or like this, maybe something like this but oh i dont know"


I am tempted to just draw a velociraptor chomping down on a grilled cheese and call it a day.

Don't ask me. It's not my company.

[Wildside]

what then exactly? vectoring is a pain in the butt to do. something more descriptive would help- its like a lady walking into a store "oh i want a dress but i dont want it like this or like this, maybe something like this but oh i dont know"


I am tempted to just draw a velociraptor chomping down on a grilled cheese and call it a day.

Vectoring isn't bad

[dinosaurdammit]

Vectoring isn't bad



It is for me, i dont have the fancy stuff most people do and usually have to do things the hard way plus i only have a lap top with a track pad- so its aggravating to do half the time although it doesnt stop me from doing things it just takes forever and a day

[StudentoReptile]

It is for me, i dont have the fancy stuff most people do and usually have to do things the hard way plus i only have a lap top with a track pad- so its aggravating to do half the time although it doesnt stop me from doing things it just takes forever and a day

It's not "bad". It's just a lot harder than people think, as is a lot of things with graphic design (a term I often loathe). Graphic design is a lot more than playing around with Photoshop. There are fundamental principles of design that come into play, principles that actually apply across the board in fine arts, graphics, web design, animation, film, photography, etc. And knowing those principles helps one create GREAT logos instead of "okay-lookin" logos.

And it comes with a price. Professional designers take some form of training for it, whether it was a few classes or a degree. Either way, you can evaluate them by looking at their portfolio. Just like any vocation, they charge a fee to provide a service. It is frustrating when people balk at the price, saying something to the effect of "Why so much? All you do is just draw, right?" I would just slide the sketchpad toward them, and reply "Okay, if it's so easy, you do it. Have a nice day."

So many folks want to get a logo done for this or that, they don't want to pay a pro to do it, so they get their brother-in-law's nephew's cousin who has a bootlegged copy of Photoshop to do it for free. And it usually ends up looking like crap. Again I state: you get what you pay for. You want a logo to represent your company or organization, something easily recognizable whether its on a business card or a billboard.

Sorry for the rant. Regrettably, this year I am closing down my graphic design business and more or less, ceasing any pursuit of a career in the arts. Its simply not worth the taxes and effort to keep it going, because I cannot make enough money doing it, because no one wants to pay for it.

[TragicTaste]

It's not "bad". It's just a lot harder than people think, as is a lot of things with graphic design (a term I often loathe). Graphic design is a lot more than playing around with Photoshop. There are fundamental principles of design that come into play, principles that actually apply across the board in fine arts, graphics, web design, animation, film, photography, etc. And knowing those principles helps one create GREAT logos instead of "okay-lookin" logos.

And it comes with a price. Professional designers take some form of training for it, whether it was a few classes or a degree. Either way, you can evaluate them by looking at their portfolio. Just like any vocation, they charge a fee to provide a service. It is frustrating when people balk at the price, saying something to the effect of "Why so much? All you do is just draw, right?" I would just slide the sketchpad toward them, and reply "Okay, if it's so easy, you do it. Have a nice day."

So many folks want to get a logo done for this or that, they don't want to pay a pro to do it, so they get their brother-in-law's nephew's cousin who has a bootlegged copy of Photoshop to do it for free. And it usually ends up looking like crap. Again I state: you get what you pay for. You want a logo to represent your company or organization, something easily recognizable whether its on a business card or a billboard.

Sorry for the rant. Regrettably, this year I am closing down my graphic design business and more or less, ceasing any pursuit of a career in the arts. Its simply not worth the taxes and effort to keep it going, because I cannot make enough money doing it, because no one wants to pay for it.

IMO very well said

I have an art degree in Photo/Design and I struggled to find work for years. Maybe one day people will accept this field as art, and give it the credit that it is due, but until then I will continue to work on my own art in my free time, and keep my day job as an event coordinator.

[Wildside]

It's not "bad". It's just a lot harder than people think, as is a lot of things with graphic design (a term I often loathe). Graphic design is a lot more than playing around with Photoshop. There are fundamental principles of design that come into play, principles that actually apply across the board in fine arts, graphics, web design, animation, film, photography, etc. And knowing those principles helps one create GREAT logos instead of "okay-lookin" logos.

And it comes with a price. Professional designers take some form of training for it, whether it was a few classes or a degree. Either way, you can evaluate them by looking at their portfolio. Just like any vocation, they charge a fee to provide a service. It is frustrating when people balk at the price, saying something to the effect of "Why so much? All you do is just draw, right?" I would just slide the sketchpad toward them, and reply "Okay, if it's so easy, you do it. Have a nice day."

So many folks want to get a logo done for this or that, they don't want to pay a pro to do it, so they get their brother-in-law's nephew's cousin who has a bootlegged copy of Photoshop to do it for free. And it usually ends up looking like crap. Again I state: you get what you pay for. You want a logo to represent your company or organization, something easily recognizable whether its on a business card or a billboard.

Sorry for the rant. Regrettably, this year I am closing down my graphic design business and more or less, ceasing any pursuit of a career in the arts. Its simply not worth the taxes and effort to keep it going, because I cannot make enough money doing it, because no one wants to pay for it.

I know how you feel! :pissedoff:

[Strutter769]

I just asked for a few opinions! Lol

Work has already begun on a total revamp of the design. For those that don't mind showing your ideas, here's the new basis for the logo:

p.s. It's really the same snake that modeled for the original. That's the natural pattern, ghostly faces and all.

[Rogue628]

I really like that pic! :D

[StudentoReptile]

Nice image, but it's still essentially a photograph. What happens when you try to make it larger? It will look pixelated.

That is the problem with bitmap-based images. Find someone who can turn that image into vector, and you'll be rocking.

[StudentoReptile]

Nice image, but it's still essentially a photograph. What happens when you try to make it larger? It will look pixelated.

That is the problem with bitmap-based images. Find someone who can turn that image into vector, and you'll be rocking.

[DragonsEye]

It is frustrating when people balk at the price, saying something to the effect of "Why so much?"

simply not worth the taxes and effort to keep it going, because I cannot make enough money doing it, because no one wants to pay for it.

A familiar rant. A buddy of mine used to do custom stained glass and glass etching for a living. Absolutely fantastic work. Unfortunately, he would run into many of the same issues -- people who couldn't understand why his pieces were so much more than the cheap mass produced sweatshop stuff from overseas. Still he made a living at it for years until the economy took a nosedive. He still does an occasional piece here or there -- now working out of his basement -- but he had to "get a real job" to pay the bills. Such a tragic waste of talent.

[Aaron_S]

Nice image, but it's still essentially a photograph. What happens when you try to make it larger? It will look pixelated.

That is the problem with bitmap-based images. Find someone who can turn that image into vector, and you'll be rocking.

You said it better than I could have.

I was going to say I don't know how the detail will translate to business cards and the like.

[Strutter769]

Student - So this picture can be turned into Vector format or do I need a new photo?

[Wildside]

Student - So this picture can be turned into Vector format or do I need a new photo?

That picture can be turned into a vector but it'll take a lot of work and isn't gonna look exactly the same, but it can still look awesome.

[Strutter769]

Thanks! Would it still be better to start with a picture taken from a better camera, or won't that make a difference?

[Wildside]

Thanks! Would it still be better to start with a picture taken from a better camera, or won't that make a difference?

You'll have to ask your designer what they prefer

[StudentoReptile]

Ideally, a higher resolution version is better, but that image could be turned into a vector. Like Wildside said, it depends on the skill level of the designer.

I could do it....but I don't work cheap.;)

[Strutter769]

K, thanks! I hope to have that done by night's end, possibly tomorrow.

[Strutter769]

So, I had a friend try to turn the picture into a Vector image and was told the file is too small.

What if I were to print it, say 8 1/2 x 11, could I then use a better camera to take a picture of the print, then convert that picture to Vector?

Can you tell I REALLY wanna use this photo?!

[Wildside]

So, I had a friend try to turn the picture into a Vector image and was told the file is too small.

What if I were to print it, say 8 1/2 x 11, could I then use a better camera to take a picture of the print, then convert that picture to Vector?

Can you tell I REALLY wanna use this photo?!

It's not too small. It's gonna need to be traced in a program like Illustrator and no, your idea will only make it worse.

[Strutter769]

Thanks again.

[Strutter769]

With scales?

http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/Roy7692/NGBOAS-1.jpg

Or without scales?

http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/Roy7692/NGBOASnoscales.jpg

[Wildside]

I love it with but I just have one more gripe and that is the words need to pop more but subtly.

[Strutter769]

Yes, forgot to mention this is just progress, not a finished product. The color/shine of the letters is still being worked on. I agree, it does need to "pop" more.....and it will.

[Wildside]

I wouldn't change anything else

[Strutter769]

Also agreed.

But, what I'd also like to do is use an even darker, almost pure black version of the scales as the background of each page. Pages will be vertically edged in a thin chrome pinstripe, and the toolbar will be chrome, with the words (Home, Collection, Available, Care Sheets, etc.) appearing to have been engraved or scribed into the buttons.

At least that's the plan now.

Thoughts on that?

[Lankyrob]

Definitely with scales - and agree about the words :)

[Wildside]

Also agreed.

But, what I'd also like to do is use an even darker, almost pure black version of the scales as the background of each page. Pages will be vertically edged in a thin chrome pinstripe, and the toolbar will be chrome, with the words (Home, Collection, Available, Care Sheets, etc.) appearing to have been engraved or scribed into the buttons.

At least that's the plan now.

Thoughts on that?


I'll have to see it but the visualization I got from your description sounds pretty cool.

[DragonsEye]

Definitely with scales - and agree about the words :)


Yet another voice in agreement.

http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m544/myemoticons1/Christmas%20Emoticons%20and%20Smileys/christmas-fireplace.gif

[Strutter769]

Updated - I still have a couple touch-up ideas, but I want to first see what you say... that way my thoughts can't influence your feedback! :laugh:

[Gungirl]

Next Generations fades in to the back round to much.... When I look at it I see a snake and I see the word Boas...

[Lankyrob]

Agree with Kat, can you "silver up" the next generation bit?

[Strutter769]

I hope s but I know nothing, really... how it would be done, if there's a code or somethin' to put into the program to control color, or how difficult it is to do.

I asked today if we could try this color scheme instead..

[Strutter769]

Are the scales prominent enough? Could I use the same transparency of the scales to use as the background for each page without them interfering with reading the text?
Are the letters bright enough?

Now what would you change?

[Trent]

Looks cool !!

[Strutter769]

How many of you noticed the background in the latest version?

[Strutter769]

Well, since the foundation of this logo is an 8MP photo taken with my cell phone, it can't be blown up to be used for a banner. That means I'm back to step 1, months after I hoped to have had a finished product. So, I come to you for creativity. Based on all the aspects of this logo above, and the "Next Generation" name, what ideas do you have? (Full credit will be given, of course.)

[smy_749]

I like the logo, just a few things I would like to point out looking at some very famous logos. In general, black is a difficult color for a background on a logo. Whatever you want to post it on, has to be black, or have an ugly black square where the sticker is for example. Also if you insist on using black, you may want to consider very white whites, not grays. It will 'pop' much more, and be easier to read from a distance (more appealing to the eye, more contrast). The last thing, I love the snake drawing, and you can keep it, but if your goal was a more 'traditional' logo, most if not all, have a clip art type thing, filled with a solid color. And the 'shape' is what becomes famous (like the twitter bird for example).

Here is a few examples that I find say 'logo' when you see them (again I like yours, just input from a business standpoint)

Edited the images, found much better ones.
http://www.ineedanewimage.com/online/logo-samples/images/logo-8.png
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ7aE9SR5CULU4iB9KoxeLpepYMCjFSP aV1UbNX7We1S9AALC3euw
http://www.thelogomix.com/files/imagecache/v3-logo-detail/snake_400x400.jpg
http://designbeep.designbeep.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/12.snake-logos.jpg
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSMTPNvhQSPcIz2az0TNWTTZMTEC9drI 8SpFrnnrb9w_Rldzk24

Again you don't have to do something like this. Another typical logo trend, is to have the 'logo' or icon, be part of the actual title. Blend into the worlds, or have a tail of a snake underline your company name or something. Hope some of that made sense, best of luck!

You will also have much less problems creating something in 1 or 2 colors, or just black and white, and solid as opposed to textured. With regards to creating banners, business cards, etc. The human mind likes to remember simple images. Think about what 'trademark logos' you remember best, and what they all have in common and go from that.

Another point looking at your logo. Its very difficult to incorporate image into the title when your title is pretty long (yours is). Perhaps you can have bold letters NG and have a snake incorporated into those letters some how. And underneath along the bottom border of NG have the words next generation.