Brutal... o_O

[Pareeeee]

So I found this GIF while browsing the internet today...all I can say is :eek: and :shocked:

I guess this is why you don't see many photos or videos of "snapping-turtle feeding day"...I had no idea...my view of turtles has changed forever...

WARNING - GORE - not for the squeamish (made it an URL instead of IMG for those who just don't wanna see it!)

Turtle Killing Mouse (http://i.imgur.com/nkAFb.gif)

[MoreliAddict]

Poor mouse...

[iBaman]

why couldn't they have fed f/t?

[Roadtrash]

I thought it was pretty good. I've never watched a snapping turtle eat a mouse before.

[KORBIN5895]

I only ever fed mine fish.

[Platinumxero]

o.o That was crazy!

[TragicTaste]

Mannnn that was way more than I expected, certainly enlightening.

[UwabamiReptiles]

Definitely interesting, I don't really like the idea of putting an animal through that though. Even if its just a feeder. To each their own i guess.

[Will0W783]

Yikes! That was interesting, but I don't like the idea of putting a mouse through that...it was still alive with its back end ripped off! Why couldn't they feed it f/t?

[September]

So I found this GIF while browsing the internet today...all I can say is :eek: and :shocked:

I guess this is why you don't see many photos or videos of "snapping-turtle feeding day"...I had no idea...my view of turtles has changed forever...

WARNING - GORE - not for the squeamish (made it an URL instead of IMG for those who just don't wanna see it!)

Turtle Killing Mouse (http://i.imgur.com/nkAFb.gif)

I didn't go look at it. I just wanted to thank you for making it a url, instead of an img, because from all these peoples reactions, I can only assume it was a horrible ending for the mouse. I clicked on this thread because it was unread, and as a mouse lover/owner (pet, not feeder) I'm glad I didn't have to see whatever that is. (I can accept feeding f/t to a snake-circle of life-but watching them suffer makes me feel sick to my stomach)

I sincerely thank you :)

[KORBIN5895]

Yikes! That was interesting, but I don't like the idea of putting a mouse through that...it was still alive with its back end ripped off! Why couldn't they feed it f/t?

Mostly because people like that are cruel and ignorant. They probably found it amusing.

[aaron_cg]

Damn, never seen that before. That's crazy!!

[Aaron_S]

I thought it was pretty good. I've never watched a snapping turtle eat a mouse before.

People like you and people who made this video are the ones who will have our hobby banned.

It sickens me.

[jhinton6932]

no the liberals and tree huggers are the ones who will have this hobby banned.

[KORBIN5895]

No ignorance and stupidity will get this hobby banned and it won't matter where tit is found.

[Revenant]

If they're targeting us, no need to give them extra fuel by posting videos saying "awesome! look at my pets ripping animals in half! Har har har, this excites me!"

[jhinton6932]

either way, its a messed up gif made for shock value. not really funny or shocking though. just cruel.

[RandyRhoads]

Rember- A pork chop stops a beating heart <3 <3 <3

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http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d86/randy666rhoads/PETA.jpg

[Aaron_S]

PETA has NO relevance to this thread.

It's about people who take a part of the hobby that we partake in to keep our animals healthy. Others tend to glorify it for their own, immature and sick needs.

[Little Wise Owl]

I agree with Aaron (for once) on this one...

This video is purely for shock factor and isn't benefiting this hobby at all.

[Rogue628]

I'm going to play devil's advocate a bit. Would you guys have responded if this would have been filmed in the wild?

I have very little experience with snappers and I don't know what their diet consists of in the wild besides trying to eat me if I get to close (lol). If mice are a part of their natural diet, what if this snapper will only eat live? I have one snake that will only eat live. Since it's a king and she's fed small enough meals that can't do much harm to her, I don't press the issue. However, I don't take videos of her eating live for the world to see, even though watching her hunt is interesting IMO. She's quick and doesn't play around.

That being sad, yes I think the gif is brutal and more than likely made for a shock value. The internet can be and is a perverse place. People with all kinds of morbid interests upload and view all kinds of stuff that should be left in private.

[jaleely]

there so many wild animal videos that aren't appropriate because people get worked up about animal cruelty. the point here is that it's intentional. i think it's nature, but it's also man in this case, doing something they know will be shocking. that's it.

anyway, korbin said tit.

[RandyRhoads]

anyway, korbin said tit.

Boobies.:freakedout:

[Rogue628]

That's what he said!

:laugh: :laugh:

[Little Wise Owl]

I'm going to play devil's advocate a bit. Would you guys have responded if this would have been filmed in the wild?

I have very little experience with snappers and I don't know what their diet consists of in the wild besides trying to eat me if I get to close (lol). If mice are a part of their natural diet, what if this snapper will only eat live? I have one snake that will only eat live. Since it's a king and she's fed small enough meals that can't do much harm to her, I don't press the issue. However, I don't take videos of her eating live for the world to see, even though watching her hunt is interesting IMO. She's quick and doesn't play around.

That being sad, yes I think the gif is brutal and more than likely made for a shock value. The internet can be and is a perverse place. People with all kinds of morbid interests upload and view all kinds of stuff that should be left in private.

I'd always read that Snappers were omnivores, munching on aquatic vegetation and aquatic critters with only a few small birds and mammals making it into their diet. And judging by the fact that snappers are voracious eaters of all things (including carrion), I doubt that it'd eat "only live".

I have no issue if live feeding is necessary for the animal's well being but I highly doubt that was the case with this turtle.

[Revenant]

I'm going to play devil's advocate a bit. Would you guys have responded if this would have been filmed in the wild?
.

That's kind of like me posting a video of my dogs mauling a pony to death in a confined area, and then asking "Oh, so you people would be against african wild dogs killing a zebra in nature?"



//My dogs ONLY eat live ponies. I tried switching them to kibble, I promise.

[Aaron_S]

I'm going to play devil's advocate a bit. Would you guys have responded if this would have been filmed in the wild? ...

Yes. Glorification is glorification. At least, most wild videos have an educational side to things.

[Aaron_S]

I agree with Aaron (for once) on this one..

You should more often. It's a whole lot more fun. I also have cookies :D

[Rogue628]

Revenant, totally different. And I said earlier I'm ignorant about snappers so I don't know what their natural diet would consist of, besides me when I had to remove them from being close to my house and place them toward the back of my property.

As I said, I was playing devil's advocate for a bit. Not that I condone that gif or any video of barbaric feeding of any animal.

Now that I know that mice aren't a normal part of their diet, I'm disgusted even further. This is no different than video that went viral of some boy feeding his burm a kitten. :pissedoff:

[Rogue628]

Yes. Glorification is glorification. At least, most wild videos have an educational side to things.

True. That I can agree to. :D

[Revenant]

Revenant, totally different. And I said earlier I'm ignorant about snappers so I don't know what their natural diet would consist of, besides me when I had to remove them from being close to my house and place them toward the back of my property.


How so? Where do you find the total differences?

[KORBIN5895]

there so many wild animal videos that aren't appropriate because people get worked up about animal cruelty. the point here is that it's intentional. i think it's nature, but it's also man in this case, doing something they know will be shocking. that's it.

anyway, korbin said tit.

Whoops! Freudian slip....

That's kind of like me posting a video of my dogs mauling a pony to death in a confined area, and then asking "Oh, so you people would be against african wild dogs killing a zebra in nature?"



//My dogs ONLY eat live ponies. I tried switching them to kibble, I promise.

Yeah this is the exact mentality people use to justify their stupidity.
Wel said.

Revenant, totally different. And I said earlier I'm ignorant about snappers so I don't know what their natural diet would consist of, besides me when I had to remove them from being close to my house and place them toward the back of my property.

As I said, I was playing devil's advocate for a bit. Not that I condone that gif or any video of barbaric feeding of any animal.

Now that I know that mice aren't a normal part of their diet, I'm disgusted even further. This is no different than video that went viral of some boy feeding his burm a kitten. :pissedoff:

Mice are a part of many aquatic animals diet just not a staple. Now a duckling is like potatoes to a snapper. They just gotta have 'em.

[Revenant]

How so? Where do you find the total differences?

If you don't want to hash it out, I understand. I just see a lot of people creating artificial situations for jollies and justifying it with "bu-bu-but NATURE!" when it's simply not. I also think we should try to hold ourselves to a higher standard than that evil witch mother nature. While mimicking her in some ways is good, in others we can do much better by our animals and our hobbies. For instance, I do anything I can to prevent undue suffering in the feeders that have to die for my hobby, and don't make my snakes prove their suitability for survival by facing off against higher predators.

[Rogue628]

Thanks for clarifying. From what was posted earlier, I had come to the conclusion that mice weren't a large part of a snapper's diet. I stand corrected and have learned some stuff.

Can I then safely assume that captive snapping turtles don't need to have such barbaric feedings?

[RandyRhoads]

I also think we should try to hold ourselves to a higher standard than that evil witch mother nature. .


ROFL!!!!!!! I hope i'm misunderstanding what you mean here.... Please elaborate...

[Revenant]

ROFL!!!!!!! I hope i'm misunderstanding what you mean here.... Please elaborate...

Exactly what I said above. Vets and medicine, our herps not facing off against predators, etc.

[RandyRhoads]

Oh....my.... I haven't laughed that hard in a long time. "That evil witch mother nature".....

Nature takes care of itself. You don't need to hold yourself to a higher standard than her. If people would even make it to that standard without surpasing it things would be just fine.

[KORBIN5895]

Thanks for clarifying. From what was posted earlier, I had come to the conclusion that mice weren't a large part of a snapper's diet. I stand corrected and have learned some stuff.

Can I then safely assume that captive snapping turtles don't need to have such barbaric feedings?

Mice are not a large part of a snappers diet in the wild. I have seen them fall ot of trees and get chewed apart by smaller fish ( they were either blue gill or crappy) I have also seen large mouth bass eat them. I am sure a snapper would pick one off the top no problem.

[Revenant]

Oh....my.... I haven't laughed that hard in a long time. "That evil witch mother nature".....

Nature takes care of itself. You don't need to hold yourself to a higher standard than her. If people would even make it to that standard without surpasing it things would be just fine.

I think you're reading a little too much into your personal personification of nature. I would not like to see someone keeping animals that just shrugged and said 'Nature takes care of itself" when an animal was ailing or wounded. Things malinger and die and starve all the time in nature. That doesn't mean we should allow it to happen when we have chosen to keep an animal in our care. Being at one with nature can't be used to excuse abuse or neglect.

[Trent]

Oh....my.... I haven't laughed that hard in a long time. "That evil witch mother nature".....

Nature takes care of itself. You don't need to hold yourself to a higher standard than her. If people would even make it to that standard without surpasing it things would be just fine.


One of the best quotes I have read on here!

[Revenant]

I also think you failed to notice the tongue-in-cheek nature of the evil witch mother nature statement. I hate the idea of 'mother nature' and so tend to be flippant about trying to embody the natural world in that way.

[RandyRhoads]

I think you're reading a little too much into your personal personification of nature. I would not like to see someone keeping animals that just shrugged and said 'Nature takes care of itself" when an animal was ailing or wounded. Things malinger and die and starve all the time in nature. That doesn't mean we should allow it to happen when we have chosen to keep an animal in our care. Being at one with nature can't be used to excuse abuse or neglect.

Clearly that shouldn't happen. And clearly if we choose to keep an animal in our care that isn't nature, and therefor an argument being blamed on "nature takes care of itself" is invalid.

[KORBIN5895]

I think you're reading a little too much into your personal personification of nature. I would not like to see someone keeping animals that just shrugged and said 'Nature takes care of itself" when an animal was ailing or wounded. Things malinger and die and starve all the time in nature. That doesn't mean we should allow it to happen when we have chosen to keep an animal in our care. Being at one with nature can't be used to excuse abuse or neglect.

Yeah but.....

Nursing animal with inferior genetics is very irresponsible. What happens when those crap genetics ( which never should've survived) make it back into the gene pool?

[RandyRhoads]

I also think you failed to notice the tongue-in-cheek nature of the evil witch mother nature statement.

I hope i'm misunderstanding what you mean here.... Please elaborate...

^^^^^^^^^^^

[Revenant]

Yeah but.....

Nursing animal with inferior genetics is very irresponsible. What happens when those crap genetics ( which never should've survived) make it back into the gene pool?

:hmm: Ailing and wounded and crap genetics are not the same thing. Where did I advocate breeding such animals? I have no problem with culling. The only assertion I made was that just because brutal things might happen in nature, doesn't mean we can use it as an excuse to engage in brutality as keepers.

[RandyRhoads]

Yeah but.....

Nursing animal with inferior genetics is very irresponsible. What happens when those crap genetics ( which never should've survived) make it back into the gene pool?

My take was they meant an animal that was hurt in captivity, or got sick due to improper husbandry, not a genetically inferior animal.

[Revenant]

^^^^^^^^^^^

Sorry, I think I expect people to understand my sarcastic tone whether or not I communicate it clearly, especially since I don't use a ton of smilies to show when I'm being facetious. Time to hire a proofreader.

[RandyRhoads]

:laugh::laugh:Embrace the smilies. Intonation and inflection are hard to "hear" in written statements...:crazy::blink:

[KORBIN5895]

:hmm: Ailing and wounded and crap genetics are not the same thing. Where did I advocate breeding such animals? I have no problem with culling. The only assertion I made was that just because brutal things might happen in nature, doesn't mean we can use it as an excuse to engage in brutality as keepers.

I realize you didn't advocate breeding inferior animals. I just meant that statement about animals starving and wanted to show the flip side.

[Wildside]

At least the guy feeds his turtle right?

[RandyRhoads]

At least the guy feeds his turtle right?



Ahahahaha:shocked:

[Pareeeee]

Wow, came back to see my post spurred a lot of controversial discussion. A lot of interesting takes on it.

Just so everyone knows - I was shocked when I initially saw it, and do not condone what the person did. You know he filmed it just so he could make a video to shock people with.

As for the whole nature debate, I understand that yes, this kind of stuff happens all the timein the wild, but I believe that we should not be the cause of it. Humans already cause enough damage as it is.

This person is lacking something called compassion, one emotion that is supposed to set us apart from animals. Compassion, that thing that makes you put an animal it out of its misery if it's suffering, like finding a dying animal on the road that's been hit by a car. Even though euthanasia is a terrible thing to have to perform, it's best for the animal if it's in pain.

I HATED having to euthanize some mice a while back, even though my method was quick and humane. I was afraid that I would make a mistake and I would actually cause the poor thing to suffer for a few seconds. (My hubby was actually amused by me, wandering around the house all upset trying to talk myself into doing it)

Why are there so many people who actually take joy in doing things like that? It's not natural to enjoy another creature's suffering.

Also, why do people get fines and go to jail for cruelty to say, DOGS or CATS but not for cruelty to mice, fish, reptiles, etc?

Anyway, I'm rambling and ranting and probably not making much sense, it's late and I'm tired, my brain is not working as well as it should.

At least the guy feeds his turtle right?

^^^ This did make me lol.

Good night all.

PS: It would only be OK if the turtle would not eat anything other than live mice and was starving itself. I highly doubt this was the case.

[RandyRhoads]

Why are there so many people who actually take joy in doing things like that? It's not natural to enjoy another creature's suffering.

Also, why do people get fines and go to jail for cruelty to say, DOGS or CATS but not for cruelty to mice, fish, reptiles, etc?
.

Something to think about. It's not natural to enjoy another creatures suffing? Why do so many Felines seem to enjoy playing with suffering prey in the wild? Where do you draw the line between insignificant life forms significant ones ? If a mosquito lands on you do you not swat it? If a mouse runs across your floor do you not try to step on it, or set traps to kill or possibly maim it?

[Trollbie]

Wow, came back to see my post spurred a lot of controversial discussion. A lot of interesting takes on it.

Just so everyone knows - I was shocked when I initially saw it, and do not condone what the person did. You know he filmed it just so he could make a video to shock people with.

As for the whole nature debate, I understand that yes, this kind of stuff happens all the timein the wild, but I believe that we should not be the cause of it. Humans already cause enough damage as it is.

This person is lacking something called compassion, one emotion that is supposed to set us apart from animals. Compassion, that thing that makes you put an animal it out of its misery if it's suffering, like finding a dying animal on the road that's been hit by a car. Even though euthanasia is a terrible thing to have to perform, it's best for the animal if it's in pain.

I HATED having to euthanize some mice a while back, even though my method was quick and humane. I was afraid that I would make a mistake and I would actually cause the poor thing to suffer for a few seconds. (My hubby was actually amused by me, wandering around the house all upset trying to talk myself into doing it)

Why are there so many people who actually take joy in doing things like that? It's not natural to enjoy another creature's suffering.

Also, why do people get fines and go to jail for cruelty to say, DOGS or CATS but not for cruelty to mice, fish, reptiles, etc?

Anyway, I'm rambling and ranting and probably not making much sense, it's late and I'm tired, my brain is not working as well as it should.



^^^ This did make me lol.

Good night all.

PS: It would only be OK if the turtle would not eat anything other than live mice and was starving itself. I highly doubt this was the case.

A lot of pet store owners would probably be in jail right now lol. But I completely agree...

[Trollbie]

Something to think about. It's not natural to enjoy another creatures suffing? Why do so many Felines seem to enjoy playing with suffering prey in the wild? Where do you draw the line between insignificant life forms significant ones ? If a mosquito lands on you do you not swat it? If a mouse runs across your floor do you not try to step on it, or set traps to kill or possibly maim it?

I can't even kill a freaking cockroach despite the fact that I'm terrified of them...

[Pareeeee]

I can't even kill a freaking cockroach despite the fact that I'm terrified of them...

Haha. And people look at me weird when I grab a spider and let it go outside.

I KNOW I SAID I WAS GOING TO BED DON'T JUDGE ME

[RandyRhoads]

Ah...no answer for me. I was actually hoping to hear some thoughts...

[jaleely]

Yeah but.....

Nursing animal with inferior genetics is very irresponsible. What happens when those crap genetics ( which never should've survived) make it back into the gene pool?

I'm just going to pick this out of the posts and talk about it.
Agreed.
tit, and agreed.

Now, as a person with horrible genetics, i'm not going to breed. Fair is fair. Not going to inbreed my animals and pass on inferior genetics along with pretty colors, either.

*sits back*

[RandyRhoads]

I'm just going to pick this out of the posts and talk about it.
Agreed.
tit, and agreed.

Boobies. :crazy:





Now, as a person with horrible genetics, i'm not going to breed. Fair is fair.




I wish more people had this realization, but then WalMart would be a ghost town....

[Pareeeee]

Something to think about. It's not natural to enjoy another creatures suffing? Why do so many Felines seem to enjoy playing with suffering prey in the wild? Where do you draw the line between insignificant life forms significant ones ? If a mosquito lands on you do you not swat it? If a mouse runs across your floor do you not try to step on it, or set traps to kill or possibly maim it?

I wasn't referring to animals when I said that it's not natural to enjoy other creature's suffering. I was referring to people. It is not natural for us to be like that.

Also, yes, I get your point. Yes, I probably would buy traps if a mouse was loose in my home. Not because I enjoy killing them but because they damage your belongings and pose a danger to you and your family.
(disease, fires caused by chewing wires, etc.) I would, however, buy traps that have the best success rate of killing an animal quickly and humanely. I am NOT a promoter of those glue traps that cause animals to suffer for hours or even days before they finally die from exhaustion or hunger. IMO they should be illegal.

Also, mosquitos are parasites that spread disease, and their bites cause allergic reactions, etc.

Now let me go to bed. I keep saying I'm going to bed then I hear the *bling* of another email notification on my tablet. Curiosity, I hate you!

[jhinton6932]

the issue is simple. he .gif'd a file of a severely maimed animal to use in one of those shock forums. two things should be offlimits. children and animals because they are pure and innocent. other then that its the interwebz ppl. .gif away.

[Revenant]

Something to think about. It's not natural to enjoy another creatures suffing? Why do so many Felines seem to enjoy playing with suffering prey in the wild? Where do you draw the line between insignificant life forms significant ones ? If a mosquito lands on you do you not swat it? If a mouse runs across your floor do you not try to step on it, or set traps to kill or possibly maim it?


I absolutely believe that humans naturally have a tendency to enjoy or be on some level excited by the suffering of others. Schadenfreude. I look at the famous tragic plays and operas, the sad country songs, the gossip magazines detailing the downward spiral of some troubled public figure and I can't deny it. Ever enjoy watching Simon Cowell crush some hopeful TV contestant? Ever felt smug at someone getting what you thought was coming to them? Ever enjoyed a bit of juicy gossip? Then you have taken pleasure in the suffering of others. (General you, by the way, not directed at RandyRhoads.)

At least the cats may only be doing something they enjoy and are indifferent to the suffering it causes.

I don't think the ability to show compassion separates us from other animals, either. I think dogs, elephants and gorillas are among the animals that can demonstrate a level of compassion and empathy. I'm sure there are more. It sounds anthropomorphic, and there may be more practical survival motivators at the base of it, but it is there.

As far as where the line is drawn, I couldn't begin to say because I don't think I'm very logical and consistent at drawing it for myself.

[Revenant]

Boobies. :crazy:




I wish more people had this realization, but then WalMart would be a ghost town....

:laugh::yes:

[RandyRhoads]

I absolutely believe that humans naturally have a tendency to enjoy or be on some level excited by the suffering of others. Schadenfreude. I look at the famous tragic plays and operas, the sad country songs, the gossip magazines detailing the downward spiral of some troubled public figure and I can't deny it. Ever enjoy watching Simon Cowell crush some hopeful TV contestant? Ever felt smug at someone getting what you thought was coming to them? Ever enjoyed a bit of juicy gossip? Then you have taken pleasure in the suffering of others. (General you, by the way, not directed at RandyRhoads.)

At least the cats may only be doing something they enjoy and are indifferent to the suffering it causes.

I don't think the ability to show compassion separates us from other animals, either. I think dogs, elephants and gorillas are among the animals that can demonstrate a level of compassion and empathy. I'm sure there are more. It sounds anthropomorphic, and there may be more practical survival motivators at the base of it, but it is there.

As far as where the line is drawn, I couldn't begin to say because I don't think I'm very logical and consistent at drawing it for myself.

Excellent reply, I thuroughly enjoyed reading this. I am surely guilty of having taken pleasure at others misery just as you have described, as i'm sure most have as well. I get disgusted at horror movies and the people that can't wait to see them. I had an ex that absoultely loved seeing people get chopped up. It caused huge fights with almost every girlfriend/wife i've had, and many friends. Especially the real ones. Faces of Death, why are so many people getting off watching an innocent man get his head sawn off while still alive. As you said, everyone has that tendency no matter what the level is.

Compassion is what seperates us from the animals- So what about people that can't feel compassion, do we treat them as animals? Some people just CAN'T feel it. Born that way or having something else in their life effecting it, it happens. So do we sit here and flame them calling them disgusting, or treat them as a person with a mental defect that can't help it?

Lol, I have trouble being very logical and consistent in drawing mine, that's why I ask so many questions and throw obscure things out challenging people. I want to hear thought processes and challenge hypocrisy.

[Trollbie]

I don't mind watching people suffer because as humans, we are not innocent. I do have a problem watching animals suffer though.

[DOBERMAN]

Actually what I find most disturbing is the rampant dysfunctional ideology, faulty reasoning, and hypocrisy within this thread. That's just as much a danger, if not more, to the hobby as any graphic video could be.

[KORBIN5895]

I waiting for someone to post a nice pair.

[Trollbie]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jA3lfv7nOTU/Tl0rsVYzrRI/AAAAAAAAAM0/UTh005O6yds/s1600/boobies-ifnotfunny.jpg

[DOBERMAN]

a booby trap

[Wildside]

the issue is simple. he .gif'd a file of a severely maimed animal to use in one of those shock forums. two things should be offlimits. children and animals because they are pure and innocent. other then that its the interwebz ppl. .gif away.

You are starting to stink of Chan :no: