Do you think he stands a chance?

[Philmul]

Hi just saw this pic and If the snake had a turn he could eat him and I don't think the other guy could do much to stop it. What do you think?

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[Philmul]

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How about that. Or am I just over reacting???

[mykee]

Social Darwinism at its greatest.

[stephanbakir]

With regards to that retic eating the guy with another guy at his side, the odds are pretty much 0, all the other guy needs to do is drop kick the thing in the face or put 1 drop of alcohol in its mouth and it will release him/die. The person in the coils however would likely die though. That being said, I agree with Mykee, Bob Clark might be good at breeding reptiles and making money but when it comes to some of the things he does with his animals hes a complete moron, and not the best person to "idolize".
The other pic, same deal.

[shaunyboy]

Social Darwinism at its greatest.

:yes::yes::yes:

cheers shaun:)

[Roadtrash]

Well, there's only so much that can be said for his intelligence. He may be book smart and even have a lot of actual experience but it's obvious that he doesn't have a lot of common sense.

I would love to see the expression on his face if it were to start to tighten up just a little.

[Aaron_S]

Does anyone know how old that picture is? That was a pretty common practice when that was taken. It's in the range of 11 - 20 years old!

Let's talk about something more recent....

[Gregg M]

Well, there's only so much that can be said for his intelligence. He may be book smart and even have a lot of actual experience but it's obvious that he doesn't have a lot of common sense.

I would love to see the expression on his face if it were to start to tighten up just a little.

Look at the statememt you wrote that I put in bold... Experience is key here. Do you think for a second that Bob Clark would not know if his life was in dangerfrom one of these snakes? Its like anything else we do in life that has a risk attached to it. I handle venomous snakes. Am I lacking common sense? No. I have enough experience to do it safely. I used to race motocross. I can safely jump my bike 20 feet into the air but if someone is just starting out, it would not be very safe at all. Dont be so quick to judge, especially those who have been doing this many many years longer than you have.

[Aanayab1]

Social Darwinism at its greatest.

Exactly what crossed my mind

[Roadtrash]

I understand that he is a very experienced person in the handling of these large snakes and that he could probably "read" any unusual movements of the snake. But there are times when animals, not just snakes but dogs, cats and most others, just do something a little out of the ordinary. It's just my opinion, and I'm not trying to change anyone else, that common sense says not to put yourself in that position.

As for my experience with large snakes of this type I have none so maybe I just don't understand. My experience is mostly with snakes found here in the states including the venomous ones. I've always been cautious to the extreme when handling them and so far nothing has ever happened to me. Maybe I am overly cautious but that is the way I am.

[Rogue628]

Does anyone know how old that picture is? That was a pretty common practice when that was taken. It's in the range of 11 - 20 years old!

Let's talk about something more recent....


I agree. I'm no expert by any means and there are probably some things I did when I very first started keeping that was considered ok then, but not now. Just like having a snake around your neck.

And isn't that Fluffy in the pic?

[Gregg M]

I understand that he is a very experienced person in the handling of these large snakes and that he could probably "read" any unusual movements of the snake. But there are times when animals, not just snakes but dogs, cats and most others, just do something a little out of the ordinary. It's just my opinion, and I'm not trying to change anyone else, that common sense says not to put yourself in that position.

As for my experience with large snakes of this type I have none so maybe I just don't understand. My experience is mostly with snakes found here in the states including the venomous ones. I've always been cautious to the extreme when handling them and so far nothing has ever happened to me. Maybe I am overly cautious but that is the way I am.

The risks are all calculated. I am sure there are a few snakes in his collection that he would not take a photo like this with. Also, the two guys in the photo are experienced snake handlers and the photographer is as well. So you have three people there who could easily stop that snake from hurting or killing anyone if it came down to it. In reality, posing for that photo is no more dangerous than it is to do the daily maintainance on that snake when there is no camera involved.

Like I said, 30 people are killed by pet dogs a year just in the US alone. How many people a year are killed by their pet python a year in the US? Better yet, how many people are killed by their pet python a year world wide?

[MoreliAddict]

The risks are all calculated. I am sure there are a few snakes in his collection that he would not take a photo like this with. Also, the two guys in the photo are experienced snake handlers and the photographer is as well. So you have three people there who could easily stop that snake from hurting or killing anyone if it came down to it. In reality, posing for that photo is no more dangerous than it is to do the daily maintainance on that snake when there is no camera involved.

Like I said, 30 people are killed by pet dogs a year just in the US alone. How many people a year are killed by their pet python a year in the US? Better yet, how many people are killed by their pet python a year world wide?
I agree with the point you're making, but I hate the dog comparison. (I hear it all the time)

Because, how many people in the US own giant constrictors as compared to the number of people in the US who own dogs...

[Pareeeee]

I don't see him as any different than Steve Irwin was. He knew the risks that he was taking on a daily basis, and those risks were what eventually killed him. Some people just seem to believe that those risks are worth it. I don't. I value my life. Everyone likes 'thrill seeking', but some people seem to go to extremes to get those thrills. Me, i'm just gonna stick to roller coasters for my adrenaline rush.

[Falconeer999]

Me, i'm just gonna stick to roller coasters for my adrenaline rush.
I'm a little shaky on those too after I was on a "Superman" (you lay on your stomach) one at Six Flags and it broke halfway through the ride - was stuck there for 5 minutes that seemed like 5 hours.

[Pareeeee]

I'm a little shaky on those too after I was on a "Superman" (you lay on your stomach) one at Six Flags and it broke halfway through the ride - was stuck there for 5 minutes that seemed like 5 hours.

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

[Wyldrose]

Hey that second picture, atleast the baby and snake are now clean! Lets just hope that soap doesn't dry out the poor snakes skin!!

Some peoples childeren...

[stephanbakir]

Some peoples childeren...
Blame the parents.

[Philmul]

Yes seems a much better way to get thrills than putting your life in the hands of a snake that size. I can't see how three men can stop a snake that size when after 6 ft it takes one man per three ft after six foot. That snake seems bigger than 12 ft. And you say it constricts 900pounds per square inch that seems way to strong to me

[Lankyrob]

Yes seems a much better way to get thrills than putting your life in the hands of a snake that size. I can't see how three men can stop a snake that size when after 6 ft it takes one man per three ft after six foot. That snake seems bigger than 12 ft. And you say it constricts 900pounds per square inch that seems way to strong to me

A knife or a brick through the skull will stop the snake, it shouldnt ever be necessary to take this step but for some reason the humans life (even tho he voluntarily put himself at risk) is "worth more" than the snakes :( :(

[Philmul]

A knife or a brick through the skull will stop the snake, it shouldnt ever be necessary to take this step but for some reason the humans life (even tho he voluntarily put himself at risk) is "worth more" than the snakes :( :(

Lol we'll obviously a knife or a weapon like that would work but I wasn't thinking about killing it.

[bladeblaster]

Yes seems a much better way to get thrills than putting your life in the hands of a snake that size. I can't see how three men can stop a snake that size when after 6 ft it takes one man per three ft after six foot. That snake seems bigger than 12 ft. And you say it constricts 900pounds per square inch that seems way to strong to me

snakes are very strong, but are somewhat lacking in limbs and intelligence. 3 guys could get that snake off pretty quick if required.

He would almost certainly have wished he had posed with a kitten instead, but death would be very unlikely.

As for eating him......no.

[Pareeeee]

snakes are very strong, but are somewhat lacking in limbs and intelligence. 3 guys could get that snake off pretty quick if required.

He would almost certainly have wished he had posed with a kitten instead, but death would be very unlikely.

As for eating him......no.

You have no idea how strong a snake that size is, then, do you?

[bladeblaster]

You have no idea how strong a snake that size is, then, do you?

If you say so.

You clearly have no idea how to remove a snake quickly.

Snakes muscles are very good at some things and working in specific directions, go against that and its much easier. Also factoring in that killing the snake would be very simple and quick, death is increadibly unlikely.

Bit like a Crocs jaws in some respects, you do not want you hand in there when they shut their jaws, but you can easily hold them shut with bare hands. The muscles for opening the jaw are tiny in comparision to those used for closing them, for obvious reasons.

[MoreliAddict]

snakes are very strong, but are somewhat lacking in limbs and intelligence. 3 guys could get that snake off pretty quick if required.

He would almost certainly have wished he had posed with a kitten instead, but death would be very unlikely.

As for eating him......no.
The snake may not be able to eat him, but it would suffocate him before 2 people can pull it off. Giant constrictors like that squeeze with extreme, bone-breaking force.

Anyway
Does anyone know how old that picture is? That was a pretty common practice when that was taken. It's in the range of 11 - 20 years old!

Let's talk about something more recent....

[bladeblaster]

The snake may not be able to eat him, but it would suffocate him before 2 people can pull it off. Giant constrictors like that squeeze with extreme, bone-breaking force.

Anyway


it would break a few ribs prossibly, leave him a bit battered and bruised for sure, its not an experience you would want, but death would still be very unlikely.

[MoreliAddict]

it would break a few ribs prossibly, leave him a bit battered and bruised for sure, its not an experience you would want, but death would still be very unlikely.
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[Aaron_S]

You have no idea how strong a snake that size is, then, do you?

You have no idea how about a snake's musculature then, do you?

Just as bladeblaster said the snake can easily be taken off. All you do is grab the neck or base of the tail, the snake's muscles aren't as strong there and you can unwrap the snake from that spot.

[shaunyboy]

Yes seems a much better way to get thrills than putting your life in the hands of a snake that size. I can't see how three men can stop a snake that size when after 6 ft it takes one man per three ft after six foot. That snake seems bigger than 12 ft. And you say it constricts 900pounds per square inch that seems way to strong to me

it was i who mentioned 900 pounds per square inch constriction force on another thread mate

it was an anaconda they tested,using a live turkey with pressure guages attatched to the turkey

the anaconda in question,constricted at 900 pounds per square inch for a full 15 minutes

the guys doing the test said it would be like a school bus wieght pressing on every square inch of your chest

sorry i cannot remeber which tv documentry i saw it on,one of the sky discovery type channels

cheers shaun

[Rogue628]

You have no idea how about a snake's musculature then, do you?

Just as bladeblaster said the snake can easily be taken off. All you do is grab the neck or base of the tail, the snake's muscles aren't as strong there and you can unwrap the snake from that spot.


Out of curiosity, what is it about unwrapping a snake by the tail first that makes it easier?

[stephanbakir]

Their bodys are built to hold things already in their grasp, you can simply unroll them from the head or tail because they weren't built to defend themselves against that.

[Terranaut]

The neck and tail are the weakest parts of the snake.
BUT.....
IMHO your not pulling off the retic in the pic unless it is willing to let go or you hurt it.
Even at 500 psi it would take a large group of people to wrestle it off.
BUT.....
I also feel the people in these pics have great understanding of the animals they keep and could do this safely even if there is possible risk.

[Philmul]

If you say so.

Bit like a Crocs jaws in some respects, you do not want you hand in there when they shut their jaws, but you can easily hold them shut with bare hands. The muscles for opening the jaw are tiny in comparision to those used for closing them, for obvious reasons.

I no i saw steve irwin do that but wouldn't volunteer to do it myself. Lol

[bladeblaster]

The neck and tail are the weakest parts of the snake.
BUT.....
IMHO your not pulling off the retic in the pic unless it is willing to let go or you hurt it.
Even at 500 psi it would take a large group of people to wrestle it off.
BUT.....
I also feel the people in these pics have great understanding of the animals they keep and could do this safely even if there is possible risk.

the 500 Psi isn't exerted by the muscles that are doing the coiling, uncoling it wouldn't take 500 Psi.

Once they are coiled smaller muscules start to tighten the grip, gradually squeezing tighter and tighter as the get pruchase, the same musclues used for locomation under the belly, and on the flanks. The pressure is apllied over small areas, lots of small areas.

BUT grab the tail and start uncoiling lengths of the snake and you are working against much weaker back muscles.

Put into a reall life situation, and I am not comparing this snake to the size or power of Fluffy in anway, but it illustrates a point. I had a 9ft WC Scrub Python, totally evil. Inevitably it managed to get me one day, latched onto my forearm and coiled down my arm and around my hand. Now I could not move my hand that was in the coils it was impossible, and it was pretty painful, and def close to breaking a few bones. However despite this huge amount of force, with my weaker left hand I was easily able to unwrap the snake, with almost no effort at all.