Hybrid idea

[Snakeman8]

I wonder, what would a ball x green tree would look like?
It's just an idea,so, is anyone want to try it out?

[Snakeman8]

I wouldn't be able to, don't have the right snakes.

[StudentoReptile]

It'd be interesting. There is the carpall (carpet x ball), so we know Morelia sp x Python regius is possible.

[SnakeyJay]

A heavy bodied terrestrial snake crossed with an arboreal slender snake? Doesn't seem like a good mix to me mate.

[StudentoReptile]

LOL...no hybrids are really good mixes when you start thinking about it.

[Snakeman8]

I wonder about the colors, what would they look like?

[Snakeman8]

Prob. A greenish ball python with light markings.

[StudentoReptile]

If I had to guess, I would imagine it would look something between a carpall and a carpondro. You mixing a brown & tan patterned snake with a uniformly-colored green snake. I would bet the the result would be a muddled brownish/green animal with a faint irregular pattern.

For reference, here is a carball (Irian Jaya carpet x ball python)
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b400/MDC_Leviathan/Blog%20Photos/carball.jpg

Carpall (jungle carpet x ball)
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b400/MDC_Leviathan/Blog%20Photos/carpall.jpg

one variations of a carpondro (GTP x carpet)
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b400/MDC_Leviathan/Blog%20Photos/carpondro2.jpg


...so yeah, probably something close to that last photo with the body shape of the first two.

[Snakeman8]

Rainbows BC's have bred to Anacondas, so I think it would work well!

[Snakeman8]

I love carpondros as much as ball pythons, beautiful snakes!

[Snakeman8]

I love hybrid snakes, much cooler than most pures.

[StudentoReptile]

I love hybrid snakes, much cooler than most pures.

Really? You think that dirty-colored animal in the last photo is cooler-lookin' than a lime-green python with white triangles, or a jungle carpet sporting high contrasting bands of yellow and black?:confused:

I mean, to each his own, but while there are some neat-looking crossings out there, some are rather bland or downright ugly compared to either parent.

[MoreliAddict]

Love the Carpondros.

[Aanayab1]

Dang! I learned today that you can mix species! My mind is churning in an endless way right now!?!? The concept is nuts with the mixes that could be created... although I suppose that is how they design new dog breeds but snakes?!?! that's nuts! Are they infertile like a mule? If not what happens lets say if you breed "carpondro x carpondro"? Would the patterns and colors become more defined? GAH! I hate when I read things that make my brain wanna melt.....

Antonio

[shaunyboy]

If I had to guess, I would imagine it would look something between a carpall and a carpondro. You mixing a brown & tan patterned snake with a uniformly-colored green snake. I would bet the the result would be a muddled brownish/green animal with a faint irregular pattern.

For reference, here is a carball (Irian Jaya carpet x ball python)
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b400/MDC_Leviathan/Blog%20Photos/carball.jpg

Carpall (jungle carpet x ball)
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b400/MDC_Leviathan/Blog%20Photos/carpall.jpg

one variations of a carpondro (GTP x carpet)
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b400/MDC_Leviathan/Blog%20Photos/carpondro2.jpg


...so yeah, probably something close to that last photo with the body shape of the first two.

Capondro's are cool

the rest is just a waste of a good Carpet Python :hmm:

cheers shaun :laugh:

[shaunyboy]

Dang! I learned today that you can mix species! My mind is churning in an endless way right now!?!? The concept is nuts with the mixes that could be created... although I suppose that is how they design new dog breeds but snakes?!?! that's nuts! Are they infertile like a mule? If not what happens lets say if you breed "carpondro x carpondro"? Would the patterns and colors become more defined? GAH! I hate when I read things that make my brain wanna melt.....

Antonio

Carpondro's are fertile

carpondro x carpondro = more carpondro's imo nothing specil

cross a jaguar morph,with a carpondro and you get some cool jagpondro's

cheers shaun

[StudentoReptile]

Dang! I learned today that you can mix species! My mind is churning in an endless way right now!?!? The concept is nuts with the mixes that could be created... although I suppose that is how they design new dog breeds but snakes?!?! that's nuts!


Be careful with comparing dogs to reptiles. They are very different. One thing is that for the most part, all dog breeds are all ONE species (long-established domesticated version of some wolf animal 1,000+ yrs ago). Whether you have a Great Dane or a Chihuahua, it's the same species. If you were to mix those two breeds together, its still the same species.

Are they infertile like a mule?

No. Most known reptile hybrids retain fertility better than hybrid mammals. This is likely because mammals have chromosomal sex determination, while reptiles have environmental sex determination.

If not what happens lets say if you breed "carpondro x carpondro"? Would the patterns and colors become more defined?

Probably the opposite, actually. Of course, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but the carpondro is a mottled, dirt-colored brownish/olive-colored snake with a faint, irregular pattern, compared to the clean, high-contrast colors of the parent animals. Why would you think adding two similar things would make anything more cleaner (providing there was no heterozygous genes in play)?

Of course, there really is no way of knowing until someone tries, but think for a minute: take out a paint kit and mix the colors green and red together. What do you get? Brown. Then if you mix two globs of that brown together, do you think the result is going to be some crisp, clean pattern of red and green again? No, you're going to get more of the same: ugly brown.

[Aanayab1]

I was not really comparing the two it was just part of the mess that ran through my mind lol and I was typing thoughts not thinking them through.

[marvelfreak]

Rainbows BC's have bred to Anacondas, so I think it would work well!
I believe It was a Colombian Rainbow and a Yellow Anaconda.
Her's a picture.
http://imageshack.us/a/img137/2021/filedp.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/137/filedp.jpg/)

[StudentoReptile]

I believe It was a Colombian Rainbow and a Yellow Anaconda.
Her's a picture.
http://imageshack.us/a/img137/2021/filedp.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/137/filedp.jpg/)

See, now, to me, that just simply isn't a beautiful animal. You've taken away the brilliant ruby coloration of a Brazilian RB, and the clean, olive green with block spots of a green anaconda....and made what essentially looks like a Columbian or Argentine rainbow boa (a drab, brownish/burgundy animal).

The only thing it represents is proof that rainbow boas and anacondas can be crossed.

[marvelfreak]

See, now, to me, that just simply isn't a beautiful animal. You've taken away the brilliant ruby coloration of a Brazilian RB, and the clean, olive green with block spots of a green anaconda....and made what essentially looks like a Columbian or Argentine rainbow boa (a drab, brownish/burgundy animal).

The only thing it represents is proof that rainbow boas and anacondas can be crossed.
Wrong two snakes. It was a female Columbia Rainbow to a male Yellow Anaconda.
So they took a Columbia and made it ugly.

http://imageshack.us/a/img99/9444/outsidesnakepics197.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/99/outsidesnakepics197.jpg/)

X Crossed with this.

http://imageshack.us/a/img717/8233/snakesandlana656.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/717/snakesandlana656.jpg/)

[StudentoReptile]

My mistake. Still, the end result is not nearly as pretty as either parent.

[marvelfreak]

My mistake. Still, the end result is not nearly as pretty as either parent.
I so agree! Now a BRB with a Yellow might look cool.

[Snakeman8]

I really like the balltic ( ballxretic) and the burmball (ballxburm) awesome snakes!
and yes, i do think the carpondro is a very beautiful snake.

[Snakeman8]

and i said most pures, not all, the rainbow anaconda is a pretty snake if you look at the pattern instead of the color.

[Snakeman8]

how did we get from talking about green trees to yellow anacondas?

[Snakeman8]

the rest is not a waste of good carpet! those snakes are very beautiful!

[Snakeman8]

crap wrong forum !

[Snakeman8]

the carpet thing

[Kingsnakechris]

I like the "carpall" quite a bit.

[Gregg M]

Probably the opposite, actually. Of course, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but the carpondro is a mottled, dirt-colored brownish/olive-colored snake with a faint, irregular pattern, compared to the clean, high-contrast colors of the parent animals. Why would you think adding two similar things would make anything more cleaner (providing there was no heterozygous genes in play)?


Actually my experience with breeding Gaboon/Rhino viper crosses, the F2s came out looking quite different than the F1s. They were much more variable and cleaner looking. Patterns were much more high contrast and the colors were different from both parent species and the F1 hybrids. The colors varied even between litter mates considerably. So, it is quite possible that the F2s will be much nicer looking than the F1s.

Here is a picture of 2 litter mates. The one on the top is a pure gaboon.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2473/3964013371_2e8cd24db4_o.jpg

[shaunyboy]

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSCfznkoSELufDiIpznU1iRnokJvbbtz tEBkuciEopFCyfy4Joahttp://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTLSYz5RCvkJzHhebmJcrL7t-Y-6jKmm7ynPlldURdkjPAEHpQKMQ

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRJI2UUCzzY6iB0493-ZzHiwwMXA3dqj7ryYQyC3GJ_iWkeUdLvhttp://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRkt4mRTfLOm0Y14jovfAo9Vx5SzYoVB f8BZRDFh8RPvTIWn5uNPg

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT6grI0Fj1mJvc-J-ik0NofEhojCf62nA74kPrWpaWyQouOSdumhttp://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQrdizyfwS8x7u0PtrHZp3nw2Lwmdw2V vondatsx5SF7fYhZ6edsw

some jagpondro pic's i found

cheers shaun

[Snakeman8]

still, the green x ball would be nice, does anyone want to try it out ?
just wondering.

[Snakeman8]

there are pics on google of a bc x anaconda, also pics of the ball x retic.

[Aaron_S]

still, the green x ball would be nice, does anyone want to try it out ?
just wondering.

Instead of asking anyone if they want to try it out why not just do it yourself?

[Snakeman8]

dont have a green tree, just a ball and a hybrid rat, i just wanted to give someone an idea.

[Snakeman8]

though i might try it, waiting for the next expo in my area,which isnt to far away.

[moshirimon]

i dont suggest you attemp making hybrids unless you have breeding experience.


but anyone think snake domestication could happen with hybridizing? i know it would be something in a very very long run but it was always a thought for me.

[SnakeyJay]

i dont suggest you attemp making hybrids unless you have breeding experience.


but anyone think snake domestication could happen with hybridizing? i know it would be something in a very very long run but it was always a thought for me.

I agree with not to try it without breeding experience (not that I've bred myself)... However I really hope that "domestication" never happens. Part of the lure of keeping these Animals is that they remain wild at heart. That little bit of unpredictability is what I love :D

[Snakeman8]

see why im asking?, havent got breeding experiece!

[Snakeman8]

i wonder what color the young would be?

[MoreliAddict]

i dont suggest you attemp making hybrids unless you have breeding experience.


but anyone think snake domestication could happen with hybridizing? i know it would be something in a very very long run but it was always a thought for me.
Doubt it, as their behavior is very much based on instinct. It's amazing how they're born knowing how to kill.

Captivity will continue to make them prettier, though.

[Snakeman8]

it is amazing, if i tryed it, i'd be keeping a close eye on them to make sure they eating eachother, pardon my spelling.

[KORBIN5895]

see why im asking?, havent got breeding experiece!

Or a clue!

Seriously how many hybrid threads do we need? The long and the short of this story is a few ( very few ) amazing animals are produced but tons of butt ugly ones are also produced. So what happens with all of the ugly offspring?

Oh, I know! More unwanted offspring that we know nothing about! Can you imagine what will happen when they dump those rainbow x anaconda babies? Some idiot will get a 12' rainbow. Then what happens when these genes "accidentally" get put into the common gene pool?

Now let's look at the brilliance of mixing a terrestrial with an arboreal snake. Never mind. This all just leads back to a lack of common sense and ethics.

[Snakeman8]

if your so against hybrids, then why the heck did you even bother looking at this page, hmm?

[KORBIN5895]

Refer to the last sentence I wrote then figure it out yourself.

[millertime89]

Ethics mean different things to different people, just because it violates your ethical code doesn't make it universal.

I'm very curious to see what this would look like. I hope someone tries it.

[MoreliAddict]

Ethics mean different things to different people, just because it violates your ethical code doesn't make it universal.

I'm very curious to see what this would look like. I hope someone tries it.
Maybe it would have mixed feelings on whether it wanted to perch all day, or burrow all day.

Hopefully it wouldn't hate life. :suspicious:

[StudentoReptile]

Do snakes have "feelings" or emotions? I was under the impression they didn't.

[MoreliAddict]

Do snakes have "feelings" or emotions? I was under the impression they didn't.
No.

I was being sarcastic.

[dinosaurdammit]

No.

I was being sarcastic.

Dont ruin my magic man :C

I would like to think my boas do love me and that Jerry Rice enjoys my company. LET ME HAVE MY FANTASY

[MoreliAddict]

Dont ruin my magic man :C

I would like to think my boas do love me and that Jerry Rice enjoys my company. LET ME HAVE MY FANTASY
Don't worry.

When your snakes climb on you, it's because they love you. Not because they're cold, or like to climb up trees by instinct. :)

[Snakeman8]

Don't worry.

When your snakes climb on you, it's because they love you. Not because they're cold, or like to climb up trees by instinct. :)

hahahahaha! thats really what i think when my ball python trys to get around my neck!:)