This snake eats hotdogs! Say what?

[h3h]

This is about a Milk, but I wanted to make sure everyone would see it...

I am always looking for a snake to catch my eye, or a good price on a snake, and just looking through CraigsList this morning I found this post:



"Apricot Pueblan Milksnake trained to eat hotdogs! no yucky mice! Aproximately 12 -15 inches long
Snake with enclosure - rehoming service fee of $50
Call or text for more info"


I'm not interested in this snake, but....

Uhh, has anyone ever heard of this? Obviously the snake needs mice, but I've never heard of anyone feeding a snake a wiener. Does anyone have a horror story or more information on this? I think this is a horrible idea, and I'd like to e-mail this person and explain I think it's a horrendous idea, but I'll hold my tongue...

- h3

[RobsCornField]

Well... there used to be snake sausages on the market, but they weren't just regular hot dogs. They're not even good for people, and I'm sure as heck not going to give one to my snake.

[rmfsnakes32]

Agreed that doesnt sound like a healthy diet for a snake

[MoreliAddict]

Yeah, they're probably referring to snake sausages.

Idk what 15 inch Corn Snake could eat a hot dog..

[Kaetlinv]

Well, who knows if they mean actual hotdogs or snake sausages, but unless snake sausages are not 'yucky' like mice, they might be referring to human hot dogs...Which could be why the snake is 12-15 inches - maybe it's been on this diet and is slowly starving. :( I hope they're snake sausages, but...well. Without more facts its just speculations -shrugs- :hmm:

[MoreliAddict]

Well, who knows if they mean actual hotdogs or snake sausages, but unless snake sausages are not 'yucky' like mice, they might be referring to human hot dogs...Which could be why the snake is 12-15 inches - maybe it's been on this diet and is slowly starving. :( I hope they're snake sausages, but...well. Without more facts its just speculations -shrugs- :hmm:
He probably meant that the snake sausage is less yucky to handle and deal with than a frozen mouse, which is true...

[Snakeman8]

On YouTube, a guy has a false water cobra that's trained to eat hotdogs,so this doesn't surprise me.

[MoreliAddict]

On YouTube, a guy has a false water cobra that's trained to eat hotdogs,so this doesn't surprise me.
hmmm maybe this person IS talking about hot dogs. lol

[h3h]

On YouTube, a guy has a false water cobra that's trained to eat hotdogs,so this doesn't surprise me.

Whoa this is true. I Googled snake eats hotdog before I posted it, and found nothing but upon going to youtube and putting in "False Water Cobra east hotdog" - S.o.b if it wasn't there, lol. I've never heard of snake sausages, but even if that is what this Milk is eating, does that provide the sustenance needed to sustain the snake?

- h3

[RandyRhoads]

A diet of hot dogs in humans is supposed to be worse than smoking cigarettes, this sounds so awful...



...yet I would still like to see it...

[Kaetlinv]

Here is the embed version. If I read it right, he claims there is nothing wrong with this 'demonstration' >.>


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[Kingsnakechris]

That's kinda messed up..........

[marvelfreak]

That's kinda messed up..........
Really messed up and sicking.

[Kaetlinv]

Seriously. :( I feel so bad for it....All those artificial fillers and things... unless you butcher something fresh and make it into a natural 'hot dog' out of prey materials (with bone and such included..) this is just wrong.

I mean... why on earth would someone even consider feeding a predator something like this??

[Kingsnakechris]

Another willfully ignorant snake owner..... I mean if you can post vids on youtube, you can do the required homework for owning a snake!

[Kaetlinv]

Quoting directly from the video poster...

"This was taken to demonstrate that a false water cobra will eat anything!"

"Lowriderchevy7....its not as bad as one may think...lind of a high dollar hot dog and since fresh fish is part of their regular diet that would not prove the same point. I have not fed any of my FWC's anything abnormal since and probably never will."


And from a person commenting on the video...

"All you whiny asses shut up! I have fed my snakes hot dogs for years and it has had no ill effects on them! As a matter of fact my vet has told me i have some of the healthiest reptiles he has ever seen! So shut up!"

And a different one >.< This one just irks me.

"ima get one and feed it pizza"

[Skumbo]

Ugh.


These kind of threads make me slowly hate humans more and more.

Guess I just need to buy up all the snakes so they're fed properly.

[DavethePython]

That can not be good for the snake. The salt content alone would be potentially lethal ,and there is no source of calcium or other nutrients required for the snake to live a healthy life. My Burm rescue was stuck on a diet of raw chicken breast for a long time. While the protien content was good that was all . I am not an snake dietition by any means but I would not recomend this for a diet , and I love hotdogs lol.

[Skumbo]

Let me throw my $0.02 in here as someone with a degree involving nutrition.

Now, I cannot pretend to be an expert on snake nutritional needs, but the salt content alone in that hot dog I *guarantee* is slowly killing that snake. Even one on a rare occasion could cause long term issues. While we all need sodium, snakes included, these levels of sodium could easily ruin a snakes kidneys and dehydrate it rather quickly. The human thirst response is bad enough, im sure a snakes is bad enough where they wouldn't even know.

99% of you on this forum are dehydrated and don't even know it, I cant imagine how that poor snake feels :(

[Kaetlinv]

99% of you on this forum are dehydrated and don't even know it

This is so true, but i'm one of the 1%. :nerd: My chem teacher in highschool, hehe. And the fact I know I don't drink / consume enough water to be properly hydrated :o

[Kingsnakechris]

^^^ agreed!

[Kingsnakechris]

If you look at the color of your urine, that's a big clue to your hydration level.

[Kaetlinv]

That too, Kingsnake. :) Hooray for general (or what should be general...) knowledge! Or rather having a Pediatrics ICU nurse as your mother. :)

[Skumbo]

If you look at the color of your urine, that's a big clue to your hydration level.

Yes and no.

The color of your urine is actually the concentration of solutes, uroblin, and how diluted your urine actually is.

I drink nearly 2 gallons of water per day (i know, it sucks) but my urine is almost always yellow. Why? Because I eat an extremely high amount of potassium and sodium (in proper ratios) through my diet, as well as a large amount of nutrients from tons of vegetables, fruits, and red meat.

All that said, I am hardly dehydrated. Actually, "clear" urine means you would be overhydrated *or* severely lacking in a lot of necessary nutrients (like most people)

[RandyRhoads]

Actually, "clear" urine means you would be overhydrated *or* severely lacking in a lot of necessary nutrients (like most people)
Yeah...i'm going to have to disagree with you on that one......

[Pareeeee]

I think it's funny that it actually took it, but a snake that eats junk food?!?!? It's bad enough for us let alone their little systems. :(

[Skumbo]

Yeah...i'm going to have to disagree with you on that one......

You don't have to agree, but it's basic urology. What are you using to back up your facts? I have spent the last 6 years studying the human anatomy with a focus on Kinesiology. My thesis was a 18 month study on dehydration in ultra-endurance athletes (specifically ultramarathon and triathletes).

I hate to sound "snobbish" but Im sure I know more than you do about hydration.

In other news, You probably know a lot more about other fields than I do.

Go ahead and disagree, doesn't make you any less wrong :smug:


edit: I should probably clarify - I do mean clear clear.. as in water clear.

[Kingsnakechris]

Hydration being one of the main things the military crams down your throat you learn a trick or two, I'm sure you know a lot about this subject and I'm not trying to discount your experience at all, I hope I don't come across that way but clear urine means were hydrating enough and darker urine means you need more water.... when your in full uniform with gear and cover, you don't want to take chances on becoming a heat casuality. You pay attention.

[h3h]

Are we really talking about urine?

Who is right and who is wrong is completely irreverent, we all have different colors, flavors, and habits with our urine. I for one keep an empty paint can here next to me by my mini fridge, microwave cart, trash can, and overhead pull out T.V. tray. I like to emulate my snakes in that I try to conserve as much energy as possible.(Zombie apocalypse or something, I don't know.)

I'm also a big water conservationist, so when it's time to assert myself as the dominate male of this dwelling and mark my territory I just lean over and get the paint can. I empty it before bed religiously. (I'm not disgusting, I never forget.) One flush, 1 fish - that's my motto. Sometimes it's yellow, or redish...Actually it's more like a terracotta...I think it's been clear a handful of times. Once it even came out carbonated...I tried to pass it off as soda, but when you eat a lot of broccoli and asparagus it's kind of...

Hey guys did you know there is a person on CraigsList who is selling a snake that eats farkin' hotdogs???

- h3

[Kaetlinv]

nice reminder of topic, H3h. :laugh:

Do you happen to know what snake sausages look like? I haven't bothered to look them up, but just for curiosities sake, what would one look like, to compare it to a regular hot dog?

[Kingsnakechris]

Sorry for hijacking the thread, yes there is a guy selling a snake on CL that lives on hotdogs, poor snake is dieing slowly and probably organ by organ

[marvelfreak]

Here a interesting read on the whole Snake Steak Sausages made by T-Rex.
http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/food-thought-forum/3517-snake-steak-again.html

[Skumbo]

I know it may come in bad taste, but Im tempted to email him and let him know all snakes are secretly jewish and he needs to make sure he buys them Kosher hot dogs..

[marvelfreak]

I know it may come in bad taste, but Im tempted to email him and let him know all snakes are secretly jewish and he needs to make sure he buys them Kosher hot dogs..

Do it! LMAO

[Hannibalcanibal]

^^ LIKE LOL

in all seriousness though, if i ever see anyone feeding a snake a hotdog, i'm probably gonna give them an earful and then report them to the aspca where the snake can get a PROPER rodent diet (unless it's a garter or green, then worms, fish, and crickets for the green :P).

[jaleely]

Interesting. I mean i did some research on the *actual* snake hot dog things that can be fed to snakes. Obviously this person is stupid. but....
Reptile Diet - **** Van Patten's Natural Balance Pet Foods, Inc. (http://www.naturalbalanceinc.com/product.aspx?ProductId=23&product=Reptile+Diet&ProductCategoryID=34&category=Zoo+Diets)

I just wonder. I like the idea of the nails and hair not having to be brought through the digestive tract, but i wonder if that acts as just an a natural fiber for them anyway.
in the wild they will be getting the stomach contents of the rodent, which would be fiber and carbs.
It's probably just safer and healthier for them to eat rodents. I do worry about my species that eats mainly lizards or frogs, in the wild...
but i don't think beef hearts is the way to go : ( (which is what is in these sausages) also the casing it's in is probably keratin.

[Skumbo]

thousands and thousands of snakes have been raised on whole rodents and been amazingly healthy throughout their lives. Dont fix what isn't broken? :D

[Kingsnakechris]

^^^^ agreed!

[Skumbo]

I think if a "snake sausage" was made of whole rodent - it'd be fine. But once you remove hair, organs, etc. you're removing and messing with ratios of nutrients which could cause issues. Why mess with thousands of years of adapting to living off certain prey?

[Jlassiter]

I don't even think they make those snake sausages anymore....
I tried an order of them 15 years ago and threw them away when NONE of my kings would eat them....Even with that Mouse Maker scenting stuff they sold too......LMAO!

[StudentoReptile]

Just now got to reading this thread....

Another case in point that Youtube is dominated by ignorant morons that cater to more ignorant morons.

[RandyRhoads]

You don't have to agree, but it's basic urology. What are you using to back up your facts? I have spent the last 6 years studying the human anatomy with a focus on Kinesiology. My thesis was a 18 month study on dehydration in ultra-endurance athletes (specifically ultramarathon and triathletes).

I hate to sound "snobbish" but Im sure I know more than you do about hydration.

In other news, You probably know a lot more about other fields than I do.

Go ahead and disagree, doesn't make you any less wrong :smug:


edit: I should probably clarify - I do mean clear clear.. as in water clear.


No by all means if you can educate and back it up with something please do. All I have to go off of is the Army and a Paramedic instructor. I would say there's no way an entire army is wrong but thinking about it, no...no that wouldn't surprise me at all. The Army has been wrong before, and Paramedics aren't experts in Urology or Nephrology. But now i'm trying to figure out your definition of clear. I've been taught if you can see anything but the slightest trace of color, you're dehydrated. And what do you mean "overhydrated"? Water intox comes with symptoms, hyponaturemia, acidosis, possible edema, ALOC, ect... if my urine is clear should I be walking around with these symptoms...? I realize you also said *OR* . If it's a diet issue, what exactly would be the vitamins i'm lacking that would cause urine to be clear?

[Kingsnakechris]

I would say there's no way an entire army is wrong but thinking about it, no...no that wouldn't surprise me at all.

LMAO!! how true it is........

[Skumbo]

Don't get me started on what the army has wrong when it comes to fitness and nutrition. I know a few exercise physiologists who have been fighting with the military for years trying to implement updated fitness and dietary guidelines.. but that's a whole 'nother bag of hammers.

if you're in a survival standpoint, its a good guideline to use. Too much water is better than not enough water, obviously.

as for what nutritional deficits would cause it to be clear - you need to look at what actually makes it yellow in the first place.

as with basically anything involving your body - there isnt a simple answer.

A few factors:

Riboflavin - your body will only absorb what is needed - any excess will be excreted via urine, and will turn your urine yellow. Many multivitamins have a ton of this - and will turn your urine neon yellow if you take it consistently. I eat enough natural foods where my urine will always be yellow because of Riboflavin, and I take zero vitamins. No matter my hydration level.

Uroblin - This is what will naturally turn your urine yellow. Lets assume you have perfect nutrition with no excess riboflavin, or not enough riboflavin (whatever). Uroblin is actually a molecule that is a byproduct of hemoglobin breakdown.
The molecule just happens to be yellow.
If you are dehydrated, the concentration of Uroblin will be higher. If you drink enough, your body will just pass water without actually utilizing it as well as it can (overhydration = consuming more water than your body can actually utilize, so it is passed as waste, im not speaking overhydration to the point of water poisoning, in the sense of hyponatremia)

So basically - once your urine is Crystal clear - that's because you're basically urinating out water because your body is overhydrated - once there is a little bit of yellow, you're just about perfect. Drinking to the point of clear urine consistently can cause a minor case of hyponatremia, actually. which isn't great for you.

That is, if you are urinating at a proper consistency and amount for your body composition/size/etc. Its all generalizations, but that should give you a basic idea.