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TremTricolors
09-24-12, 08:53 AM
It has been totally crazy busy around here, but decided to take some time to share some babies I hatched this year. Lots more pics just need to find the time to post.
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/LCC126f_zps30677d3e.jpg
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/LCC125f_zps35091227.jpg
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/LCC122f_zpsa4add7bc.jpg
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/LCC121f_zps23ca64e9.jpg
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/sample-stripe3_zps86194aae.jpg
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/sample-stripe_zps4b66c7d2.jpg
Sorry about the Prairie King pictures they wouldn't stay still at all, LOL.
Kettennatter
09-24-12, 09:25 AM
Wow, some of the head patterns tricked me into thinking I was seeing corns. Those are very beautiful kings, for sure.
Very nice, that rutheni is amazing, have you got striped alterna also ?
TremTricolors
09-24-12, 10:46 AM
Very nice, that rutheni is amazing, have you got striped alterna also ?
Not yet, but I am working on some from this line.
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/vivariumkings5.jpg
I am also working with the Coffey line aberrants that throw some zig zag type patterns. Here's a pic of one of my 2013 breeders.
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/coffeyaberrant2.jpg
TremTricolors
09-24-12, 10:49 AM
Wow, some of the head patterns tricked me into thinking I was seeing corns. Those are very beautiful kings, for sure.
There are some snakes that have similar head patterns.(i.e. L.t.triangulum, L.c.calligaster...)
Thanks for the kind words
Hmmm, I'm really going to have to get some from you in the future.
Jlassiter
09-24-12, 03:08 PM
Jimmy,
That striped alterna looks like some of the striped thayeri Paul Lynum just acquired last year....
The leonis in these pics looks more like it...
The MSP looks similar to the Ruthveni mutation....
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a189/jlassiter/MEXICANA/DSC01971.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a189/jlassiter/MEXICANA/DSC01970.jpg
TremTricolors
09-24-12, 06:37 PM
John, True true.....I have all the parental lineage on those GBK's and where they came from. Do you know the year when Lemke figured out the aberrant/striped gene in L.ruthveni? Those striped GBK's were first produced in 1995, and were from F1 adults. I hope you are not insinuating hybrids???
Jlassiter
09-24-12, 06:46 PM
No I am not insinuating hybrids at all.....
Paul Lynum's Thayeri are from line bred pure animals too.....
If you know Paul, he wouldn't have hybrids. Hell, he's the one who got busted with the Aramberri female that VR had......
Lemke found the male in 1983 that produced in that year or the next year.
His offspring produced some of the first aberrants/partially striped in the late 80s.
Since then they have been bred off and on. There was a period of time where only one person had them and they weren't being bred until JM and SB got them in the early 2000s.
I'm actually trying to make a point that it seems all of these Mexican kings (alterna included) are closely related. They all have similar mutations.....Ruthveni, Thayeri and Alterna......All with some similar characteristics.....It doesn't surprise me at all that they do either.....
Jlassiter
09-24-12, 06:47 PM
I wonder if the striped Mex Mex would look similar????????
Jlassiter
09-24-12, 06:48 PM
BTW...what's the locale on that alterna?
Black Gap?
Jlassiter
09-24-12, 06:50 PM
http://farm1.staticflickr.com/112/290517314_97a770fecc_z.jpg?zz=1
TremTricolors
09-24-12, 06:54 PM
I would have to dig up the email but if my memory serves me correctly yes they were BG. I thought that was the point you were trying to make as well. I think a lot of the genes available in one sub-species will show its' head in others closely related. You know what else is really cool that there has been a lot of double mutations that come out of a single mutant animal. Amel pyros - hypos, Anery GBK-hypos,Anery gentilis-hypos.
I am thinking your striped mex mex will look similar but more like the tessera gene in corns is what I am picturing....
TremTricolors
09-24-12, 06:56 PM
http://farm1.staticflickr.com/112/290517314_97a770fecc_z.jpg?zz=1
Where did that one come from?
Jlassiter
09-24-12, 07:19 PM
I found that picture a few weeks ago and just remembered where it was....lol
I don't know the guy that owns it or the history on it.
But there was a guy on another forum that posted one as well.......a few years ago.....I will see if I can dig it up too.....
I think they are neat looking.
There's also a long blotched alterna that is striped with orange that is not broken by the ground color.....
TremTricolors
09-24-12, 07:29 PM
Cool, I am really surprised that there isn't more line bred traits in GBK's. I know Jason Nelson works with the long blotched but he hasn't produced anything from that line in 2 years.
Jlassiter
09-24-12, 07:52 PM
All their traits are line bred by Mother Nature....That's why each locale has a different phenotype or set of phenotypes......
They are almost as variable as thayeri......
Jlassiter
09-24-12, 08:22 PM
but yeah...I know what you mean....lol
Blaze Mcsmith
09-26-12, 12:08 AM
I love pics 5 and 6
what pairing did you use to get those?
bluelephant
10-08-12, 05:27 PM
I've been following a lot of the patterning on the Lampropeltis here in the UK. Mainly looking at the Leonis, Ruthens, alterna and similar - but now I'm just totally blown away by the diversity this one thread has shown. I'm no big breeder or anything and the interest is purely for my own pleasure and copy/pasting images for my own private file etc. WOW - that coffery is something delightfully new to say the least. I love gazing at Pete Q's posts on the UK Forum and I'm pleased to read the international correspondence here. Posts like these just make the internet worth while.
Thanks for sharing. K.
Blaze Mcsmith
10-09-12, 12:36 PM
It has been totally crazy busy around here, but decided to take some time to share some babies I hatched this year. Lots more pics just need to find the time to post.
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/LCC126f_zps30677d3e.jpg
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/LCC125f_zps35091227.jpg
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/LCC122f_zpsa4add7bc.jpg
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/LCC121f_zps23ca64e9.jpg
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/sample-stripe3_zps86194aae.jpg
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/sample-stripe_zps4b66c7d2.jpg
Sorry about the Prairie King pictures they wouldn't stay still at all, LOL.
i so want pics 5 and 6 -you should be proud.
TremTricolors
10-09-12, 03:36 PM
i so want pics 5 and 6 -you should be proud.
Thanks, I am. Here are a few more. The pairing was a striped male times a partially striped female both het for amelanistic
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/LR123Female.jpg
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/LR122Male_a.jpg
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/LR129b.jpg
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/LR1212M.jpg
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/LR128Fa.jpg
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/LR124M.jpg
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/LR112f.jpg
TremTricolors
10-09-12, 03:44 PM
Here's the parents
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/Lmr011small-1.jpg
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/Lmr006small-1.jpg
Jlassiter
10-09-12, 04:16 PM
Killer Jimmy....
You know how much I like these.....
I can't wait to get going on this project again.....
I will be pairing up my striper with my aberrant amel next year.....maybe he's hetfor amel....lol
TremTricolors
10-09-12, 04:34 PM
Killer Jimmy....
You know how much I like these.....
I can't wait to get going on this project again.....
I will be pairing up my striper with my aberrant amel next year.....maybe he's hetfor amel....lol
I know, from everything I have found about them almost all the ruthveni from the aberrant line are mostly possible hets for amel. Shannon and Justin both bred them with hets and amels to produce the aberrant amels. I hope he is, but for sure don't go by one clutch, I didn't prove out my other possible het until this year but the male was also possible and I proved him out last year. So it is pretty cool that I wound up with all hets....Liking that. Now all I have to do is breed the male back to this girl and see what pops out. (2014 breeding)
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/2011ruthveni028-1-1.jpg
Blaze Mcsmith
10-10-12, 01:27 AM
i love these - a future project for sure
TremTricolors
10-10-12, 04:12 AM
i love these - a future project for sure
It's definitely a neat project as you just never know what is coming out of those eggs. Not a real predictable gene, maybe in a few years from refining. Not many working with them either. John L., a gentleman in Utah, and myself as far as I know.
Blaze Mcsmith
10-13-12, 12:02 AM
It's definitely a neat project as you just never know what is coming out of those eggs. Not a real predictable gene, maybe in a few years from refining. Not many working with them either. John L., a gentleman in Utah, and myself as far as I know.
hell yeah! Im concentrating on zonata right now but next year i would love to get into these. when i do i'll come to you for any info if thats cool
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