View Full Version : uRGENT- POSSIBLE MBD
MrBrute
08-18-12, 08:42 AM
He did throw up the dubia roaches i have him...maybe they were too big for him?
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/2712/tdqryynyhoxkyjvmqzttlk.mp4
Here is the video i just did! any suggestions?
BarelyBreathing
08-18-12, 08:45 AM
You say yourself that it's urgent. Take him to the vet.
MrBrute
08-18-12, 08:49 AM
You say yourself that it's urgent. Take him to the vet.
I'm not near a vet. So you either can suggest something or you can't
Wildside
08-18-12, 08:51 AM
Can you give us more info on these things
Full Diet
Temps
and tell us about your daily care routine for him please?
I don't think that he has MBD, I just think it may be something in your husbandry that's an easy fix.
MrBrute
08-18-12, 08:53 AM
Can you give us more info on these things
Full Diet
Temps
and tell us about your daily care routine for him please?
I don't think that he has MBD, I just think it may be something in your husbandry that's an easy fix. I could be the dubia roaches....i think they are too big for him and he threw 2 of them up. I feed him crickets daily and i know recently he has been eating 2-3 dubia roaches..but they are the mid adults.Thanks for replying with sense.
Wildside
08-18-12, 08:56 AM
I could be the dubia roaches....i think they are too big for him and he threw 2 of them up. I feed him crickets daily and i know recently he has been eating 2-3 dubia roaches..but they are the mid adults.Thanks for replying with sense.
If you are just feeding him bugs then this is probably due to a diet deficiency. Beardies need fruit and veggies too. I'm starting to suspect mild dehydration.Like I said it's probably an easy fix so let's just talk more about how you're caring for him.
Do you spray him with water at all?
Metabolic bone disease, not metallic.
Diet or not; a vet visit is likely in order.
It's the best advice you're going to get whether your rude, stubborn face likes it or not.
How far from the uv light is his perch? How long had it been since you last replaced it? Do you dust your feeders with calcium? How often and what do you feed? What are his basking surface temps?
I'm not near a vet. So you either can suggest something or you can't
She did suggest something of great value.
TAKE IT TO A VET.
MrBrute
08-18-12, 09:49 AM
How far from the uv light is his perch? How long had it been since you last replaced it? Do you dust your feeders with calcium? How often and what do you feed? What are his basking surface temps? I just replaced it today..I got him July 13th of this year and was using the repi-glo uvb and i heard it was a not a good choice and i went to go get the repi-sun today. I use the calcium on the circkets and dubia roaches...but off course he threw the roaches up. Basking temp is 100degrees.
Wildside
08-18-12, 09:54 AM
I just replaced it today..I got him July 13th of this year and was using the repi-glo uvb and i heard it was a not a good choice and i went to go get the repi-sun today. I use the calcium on the circkets and dubia roaches...but off course he threw the roaches up. Basking temp is 100degrees.
If you are not feeding him vegetable matter and/or spraying him with water the chances of him being dehydrated are very likely.
Wildside
08-18-12, 09:57 AM
You say yourself that it's urgent. Take him to the vet.
Metabolic bone disease, not metallic.
Diet or not; a vet visit is likely in order.
It's the best advice you're going to get whether your rude, stubborn face likes it or not.
She did suggest something of great value.
TAKE IT TO A VET.
I'm not trying to say you guys are wrong but not everyone has easy access to a worthy reptile vet. Sometimes it is a last resort. He cared enough to make a video and has obviously been doing some research. While he may not have gotten the best info there is obvious effort being made here.
beardeds4life
08-18-12, 10:09 AM
Since you had the repti glo that is where I think he got it from. Your dragon does need urgent help. If you can not take him to a vet you NEED to at least get on the phone with one. We need more basic info like
How old is your dragon?
How long have you had your dragon?
How long is your dragon?
What is the sex of your dragon?
What size enclosure do you have your dragon in?
What type substrate do you have on the bottom of your tank?
Do you use UVB lights?
If so, Is it a coil, compact, fluorescent tube, or Mercury Vapor bulb?
What is the brand name and number of your bulb? Wattage (if MVB)?
How old is your UVB bulb?
How close can your dragon get to the UVB?
Do you use a separate basking bulb? What kind and what is the wattage? Is it a white or colored bulb?
What are the basking temps?
What is the cool side temp?
Do you take the temps with a stick on thermometer, a digital thermometer with a wire and a probe end or a temp gun?
Where exactly are you taking your basking temps?
Do you use a heat rock or heat pad?
What do you feed your dragon? Please be specific.
How often do you feed and what time do you feed (morning, afternoon, night)?
Do you gutload (feed) your crickets, worms, etc?
Do you use vitamin or calcium supplements? What brand(s)? How many days a week do you use each of them?
Is your dragon having regular bowel movements (poops)?
Do you bath your dragon? How often?
Do you mist your dragon or offer water other than in the bath?
Have you gotten a vet check and fecal done?
Does your dragon share an enclosure with another dragon?
This could be life threatening. This is a serious matter. I do not mean to sound rude but we need more info ASAP.
Wildside
08-18-12, 10:13 AM
Since you had the repti glo that is where I think he got it from. Your dragon does need urgent help. If you can not take him to a vet you NEED to at least get on the phone with one. We need more basic info like
How old is your dragon?
How long have you had your dragon?
How long is your dragon?
What is the sex of your dragon?
What size enclosure do you have your dragon in?
What type substrate do you have on the bottom of your tank?
Do you use UVB lights?
If so, Is it a coil, compact, fluorescent tube, or Mercury Vapor bulb?
What is the brand name and number of your bulb? Wattage (if MVB)?
How old is your UVB bulb?
How close can your dragon get to the UVB?
Do you use a separate basking bulb? What kind and what is the wattage? Is it a white or colored bulb?
What are the basking temps?
What is the cool side temp?
Do you take the temps with a stick on thermometer, a digital thermometer with a wire and a probe end or a temp gun?
Where exactly are you taking your basking temps?
Do you use a heat rock or heat pad?
What do you feed your dragon? Please be specific.
How often do you feed and what time do you feed (morning, afternoon, night)?
Do you gutload (feed) your crickets, worms, etc?
Do you use vitamin or calcium supplements? What brand(s)? How many days a week do you use each of them?
Is your dragon having regular bowel movements (poops)?
Do you bath your dragon? How often?
Do you mist your dragon or offer water other than in the bath?
Have you gotten a vet check and fecal done?
Does your dragon share an enclosure with another dragon?
This could be life threatening. This is a serious matter. I do not mean to sound rude but we need more info ASAP.
I don't think you sound rude at all. MrBrute this right here is the best advice you've gotten. Please answer ALL of these questions and then we will see if we can help you more.
beardeds4life
08-18-12, 11:11 AM
Thank you.
I don't think you sound rude at all. MrBrute this right here is the best advice you've gotten. Please answer ALL of these questions and then we will see if we can help you more.
There was no advice given that I can see, and these questions need to be revised. ReptiGlo had some problems with their bulbs a few years ago, but they had to do with eye problems, not MBD. Since there does not appear to be an eye problem here, I cant imagine how the bulb is at fault.
Bearded4life, you apparently didnt watch the video or read the thread as half of those questions you asked with such urgency have already been answered. He already said that he got the dragon on July 13th of this year, that the basking temp is 100, that he dusts with calcium, and that there is no vet close by. From the video you can find out that the UVB light is brand new and that it is a Repti Sun fluorescent tube. Also, you can see that it sits just a few inches from where the perch is. We can also see in the video that there is a separate basking light, that the substrate is astroturf style carpet, that there is no heat rock, no other bearded dragons live with it, and that the tank looks to be about a 30 or 40 gallon tank.
The other questions that havent been answered would help shed some light on things; some more than others. Mr Brute, do you feed any fruits/veggies to your dragon? Do you know what the previous owner was feeding it, and how old it is? How are you taking your temperature readings? And when do you feed, in other words, how much time after you feed does your dragon have to bask at those temperatures you spoke of?
Valvaren
08-18-12, 05:08 PM
Has anyone even thought to ask if when the Dragon shifts off that position does the muscle spasms continue ? The platform he is on looks awkwardly placed and Thil'segs muscles react with that muscle twitch in the thigh untils she shifts. As for the regurgitating if the prey was to big or if it's a recent switch to dubia, I've heard of that happening she night also have ate to much, these along with dehydration and improper temps could cause a regurgitation. I do not suspect mbd as her jaw, and toes look fine.
Oh my other question is if her eyes are swelling at all? I can't really tell from video, that can be a good indication of dehydration.
Wildside
08-18-12, 09:44 PM
Has anyone even thought to ask if when the Dragon shifts off that position does the muscle spasms continue ? The platform he is on looks awkwardly placed and Thil'segs muscles react with that muscle twitch in the thigh untils she shifts. As for the regurgitating if the prey was to big or if it's a recent switch to dubia, I've heard of that happening she night also have ate to much, these along with dehydration and improper temps could cause a regurgitation. I do not suspect mbd as her jaw, and toes look fine.
Oh my other question is if her eyes are swelling at all? I can't really tell from video, that can be a good indication of dehydration.
Those were my thoughts until I saw the twitching in the other thigh. I'm more than willing to bet that dragon needs more hydration to start with.
beardeds4life
08-20-12, 05:53 AM
There was no advice given that I can see, and these questions need to be revised. ReptiGlo had some problems with their bulbs a few years ago, but they had to do with eye problems, not MBD. Since there does not appear to be an eye problem here, I cant imagine how the bulb is at fault.
Bearded4life, you apparently didnt watch the video or read the thread as half of those questions you asked with such urgency have already been answered. He already said that he got the dragon on July 13th of this year, that the basking temp is 100, that he dusts with calcium, and that there is no vet close by. From the video you can find out that the UVB light is brand new and that it is a Repti Sun fluorescent tube. Also, you can see that it sits just a few inches from where the perch is. We can also see in the video that there is a separate basking light, that the substrate is astroturf style carpet, that there is no heat rock, no other bearded dragons live with it, and that the tank looks to be about a 30 or 40 gallon tank.
The other questions that havent been answered would help shed some light on things; some more than others. Mr Brute, do you feed any fruits/veggies to your dragon? Do you know what the previous owner was feeding it, and how old it is? How are you taking your temperature readings? And when do you feed, in other words, how much time after you feed does your dragon have to bask at those temperatures you spoke of?
I did read it. I copy and pasted the questions. Those are basic questions and I forgot to edit the answered ones out. Again those are just basic questions that on other forums we ask anyone who has a problem and it usually helps.
beardeds4life
08-20-12, 05:54 AM
My dragon has great fun drinking out of a syringe. She drinks so much water now!
Wildside
08-20-12, 06:53 AM
I put mine in their water bowl then mist them. I think the movement of the water helps to make them want to drink.
Terranaut
08-20-12, 07:53 AM
Am I the only person who thinks his basking spot is about 25degrees to low?
I would start there. He won't digest properly without a bit more heat.
My setup (I have a very healthy female)
Basking 125-127
Cool side about 90-95
I feed here a mixed salad with spinich carrots and romaine lettuce and add banana or skinless apple. I toss in about 3-5 crickets(which hide in her salad) and sprinkle it with calcium (no d3)
She has 2 zoomed basking lights one is a 100 the other a 75 and a zoomed 10 florescent light in a 90 gallon. I adjuste the height of the basking lights to get the 125 temp she has.
No light or heat at night and she bottoms out at about 75-77 degrees.
She has a small water dish but seldom drinks.
We bath her every time we clean out her tank.
Hope this helps. I don't like that twitch.
Wildside
08-20-12, 07:59 AM
Am I the only person who thinks his basking spot is about 25degrees to low?
I would start there. He won't digest properly without a bit more heat.
My setup (I have a very healthy female)
Basking 125-127
Cool side about 90-95
I feed here a mixed salad with spinich carrots and romaine lettuce and add banana or skinless apple. I toss in about 3-5 crickets(which hide in her salad) and sprinkle it with calcium (no d3)
She has 2 zoomed basking lights one is a 100 the other a 75 and a zoomed 10 florescent light in a 90 gallon. I adjuste the height of the basking lights to get the 125 temp she has.
No light or heat at night and she bottoms out at about 75-77 degrees.
She has a small water dish but seldom drinks.
We bath her every time we clean out her tank.
Hope this helps. I don't like that twitch.
There are quite a few things that need corrected. IMO the first one is this Dragon's diet.
beardeds4life
08-20-12, 04:33 PM
I do not agree with that high of a basking spot. My dragon is very healthy with about a 95 to 100 degree basking spot. Your diet is not very healthy either. Do not feed carrots and spinach very often. They are very bad and will cause calcium binding. Romaine lettuce has no nutritional values. All fruits are unhealthy and sugary and should only be fed as treats.
Wildside
08-20-12, 07:58 PM
I do not agree with that high of a basking spot. My dragon is very healthy with about a 95 to 100 degree basking spot. Your diet is not very healthy either. Do not feed carrots and spinach very often. They are very bad and will cause calcium binding. Romaine lettuce has no nutritional values. All fruits are unhealthy and sugary and should only be fed as treats.
What kind of diet should they have then? My Beardies are on a similar fruit and veggie diet but with quite a bit of protein, shrimp, pinkie mice, etc. My basking area isn't anywhere near that high though.
Terranaut
08-20-12, 08:11 PM
The surface gets that hot. Air temp is about 110.
I do 99% of my temp readings with a temp gun so mostly surface temps. I adjust surface temps to give me ambiant air temps of what I want then remember it. So 125 is perfect. My beardie loves it. And when she wants cooler she goes elsewhere. Mine is active and not basking all the time as so many do. She lurks around and perches from log to hammock to stone to skull. Sleeps like a baby at night and is always eager to see me in the morning. She poops normal poop eats every meal and is very healthy. She is 6 yrs old.
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j9/terranaut0/photo-1595.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j9/terranaut0/photo-856.jpg
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Valvaren
08-21-12, 12:03 AM
Terranaut your dragon seems to be developing an underbite I would keep an eye on that,warped or misaligned jaws are most often the first signs of mbd issues.
Terranaut
08-21-12, 09:20 AM
She has no underbite. Must be the angle. I am not the op here just showing my beardie isn't sick or anything from the comments on her heat or diet.
Valvaren
08-21-12, 09:49 AM
She has no underbite. Must be the angle. I am not the op here just showing my beardie isn't sick or anything from the comments on her heat or diet.
I know you are not the op and the angle is in all three pictures
Terranaut
08-21-12, 10:00 AM
Her little pucker lips meet evenly. I just checked again to be sure. I will watch for it but I think she is ok. Thanks for the tip just the same :)
beardeds4life
08-21-12, 04:26 PM
I thought you meant air temp but her diet still is not good.
Terranaut
08-21-12, 05:33 PM
Please explain as I was sure her diet was good. I am willing to listen here.
Wildside
08-21-12, 08:33 PM
Please explain as I was sure her diet was good. I am willing to listen here.
Me too......
beardeds4life
08-22-12, 03:23 PM
Lets get back to the topic I will p.m. you or you can start another thread.
Wildside
08-22-12, 07:53 PM
Lets get back to the topic I will p.m. you or you can start another thread.
Proper Beardie diet is very relevant to this topic...
beardeds4life
08-25-12, 12:32 PM
Sorry I havent logged on in a while. You can get away with feeding a diet like that but me and most owners disagree with it. Lettuce has little to no nutritional value. Fruit is sugary and just unhealthy. It is like candy. 1 piece of candy a day for a human is the equivalent to some fruit every week for dragons. A little is healthy.
Wildside
08-26-12, 10:55 AM
Sorry I havent logged on in a while. You can get away with feeding a diet like that but me and most owners disagree with it. Lettuce has little to no nutritional value. Fruit is sugary and just unhealthy. It is like candy. 1 piece of candy a day for a human is the equivalent to some fruit every week for dragons. A little is healthy.
You keep saying this but offering no alternative. Please? Terranaut and I have both asked now what kind of diet our beardies should be on. I can't speak for him but I'd certainly be willing to change mine to ensure my Dragons optimum health.
You keep saying this but offering no alternative. Please? Terranaut and I have both asked now what kind of diet our beardies should be on. I can't speak for him but I'd certainly be willing to change mine to ensure my Dragons optimum health.
You and terranaut, are both offering an optimal diet.
Wildside
08-26-12, 11:25 AM
You and terranaut, are both offering an optimal diet.
That's what I thought until someone told me otherwise :suspicious:
That's what I thought until someone told me otherwise :suspicious:
Well judging by his name he's a berdie freak. He still hasn't posted the "correct diet" yet.
Terranaut
08-26-12, 02:41 PM
You and terranaut, are both offering an optimal diet.
I thought so too but would consider a change if it was in my beardies best interest.
If your going to knock a diet please give an example of something better.
You have said a couple times now lettuce offers no nutritional value but what about water? Isn't lettuce a good source of water? I also have never heard of spinach causing calcium issues. Please elaborate??
jhinton6932
09-18-12, 10:08 PM
i kept beardies long ago...crickets for the staple insect. i offered fresh kale, mustard greens, collared greens, and romaine lettuce. i gave fresh fruit very rarely. i had a male and female. they both were about 10 years old when they died..thr male may have been 11 i honestly forget. make sure your veggies are fresh and misting them wont hurt either. they live in an arid enviornment and get moisture from greens. but a vet visit or speaking with a vet is a very good thing.
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