View Full Version : The vision of a community
Strutter769
08-17-12, 09:34 AM
This is a great article posted today in "Daily Reptile News." Enjoy:
Daily Reptile News - The vision of a community (http://www.dailyreptilenews.com/?p=5691)
infernalis
08-17-12, 09:37 AM
The most powerful words in that whole blog...
This is a community damn it and we need to start acting like one.
it's sad really.. The only reason Communism failed, is humans are wired all wrong for it to work.
bushsnake
08-17-12, 10:13 AM
reptile keeping is an individual sport...always has been always will be
infernalis
08-17-12, 10:27 AM
reptile keeping is an individual sport...always has been always will be
I think humanity is an individual sport.. everyone wants to be champion at something.
He does a great job of stating the problems but he doesn't offer much in the way of methods to correct them.
Kettennatter
08-17-12, 10:45 AM
Yes, it's an individual "sport", but other groups have been able to organize an effective lobby and support system. To a certain degree that is a question of numbers, but it surely doesn't help that snake keeping exists somewhat in the shadows.
My job is to inform not solve. I mean, don't get it twisted I would fix ALL of the worlds problems if I knew how but that simply is not realistic. At this point, one thing I am sure of. If we don't come together our future WILL be doomed, there will be NO community and there will be NO individual hobbyist. Thank you for sharing my link and thank you everyone for you input.
He does a great job of stating the problems but he doesn't offer much in the way of methods to correct them.
KORBIN5895
11-21-12, 09:54 AM
My job is to inform not solve. I mean, don't get it twisted I would fix ALL of the worlds problems if I knew how but that simply is not realistic. At this point, one thing I am sure of. If we don't come together our future WILL be doomed, there will be NO community and there will be NO individual hobbyist. Thank you for sharing my link and thank you everyone for you input.
Good God! Go somewhere else! You spread false information just because it's" easier". We really don't need people giving out false info as that is what will bring this hobby to its knees.
Btw how is your "red tail"?
EmbraceCalamity
11-21-12, 02:26 PM
My job is to inform not solve. I mean, don't get it twisted I would fix ALL of the worlds problems if I knew how but that simply is not realistic. At this point, one thing I am sure of. If we don't come together our future WILL be doomed, there will be NO community and there will be NO individual hobbyist. Thank you for sharing my link and thank you everyone for you input.People have always bickered, and people always will bicker. I'm pretty sure the herpetological world's not gonna end.
~Maggot
shaunyboy
11-21-12, 08:41 PM
People have always bickered, and people always will bicker. I'm pretty sure the herpetological world's not gonna end.
~Maggot
i agree the Herpetological worlds not going to end,but it may get a lot tougher to keep the species we want,with your Government changing laws as we speak.....
and our European Government,pushing for new invasive species laws to be introduced...
meaning species that may thrive in some European Country's,being banned from Scotland,where they would die the first winter of there escape
re the UK
imo Herp Society's,clubs,etc need to stand together as one,instead of bickering amongst themselves,there are so called animal protection groups,attacking our hobby,trying for an out right ban...
reptile keepers need to stick together and focus on one thing.....
our hobby
cheers shaun
KORBIN5895
11-21-12, 11:13 PM
i agree the Herpetological worlds not going to end,but it may get a lot tougher to keep the species we want,with your Government changing laws as we speak.....
and our European Government,pushing for new invasive species laws to be introduced...
meaning species that may thrive in some European Country's,being banned from Scotland,where they would die the first winter of there escape
re the UK
imo Herp Society's,clubs,etc need to stand together as one,instead of bickering amongst themselves,there are so called animal protection groups,attacking our hobby,trying for an out right ban...
reptile keepers need to stick together and focus on one thing.....
our hobby
cheers shaun
They also need to make sure that they promote education and use correct information. This hobby has no room for educationalists who knowingly give crap info.
Korbin Explain what false info I passed.
KORBIN5895
11-22-12, 07:46 AM
Korbin Explain what false info I passed.
I will dig it up later.
I will dig it up later.
Dig it up later? So are you accusing me of doing something that you don't remember? I challenge you to dig it up now and get it over with.
KORBIN5895
11-22-12, 09:05 AM
I had a feeling that was what this was about. I remembered the name from somewhere but was not sure. I of course will not get in this same debate with you and because I promised the administration privately that I would not break the rules in their TOS I will just leave it at that. The problem with the world is people like you, nuff said. If you don't like it then you can just not read or respond to anything I do, you however don't have the power to make me go away so I am sorry to say I will NOT go anywhere.
I posted the link to show your attitude. Now go find a farm to sell your BS too.
For anyone interested I will give you a run down, I encourage you to read the ENTIRE thread that Korbin posted but if you don't want to here is the break down. Korbin is mad at me because I called my Boa a Red Tail Boa in a video, you see this snake was a non feeder and I took it on to try and get it to take food, once I got it eating the owner decided they didn't want it anymore so now it was dumped on me. I was sharing the story and the snake with people on my YouTube Channel (http://www.youtube.com/reptile411) and I actually did knowledge that was NOT the proper name but the name they are most commonly refereed to. I will also put the video below. Judge if you want as Korbin already has but I will not return fire just to fuel further judging.
RoFn1Wx_sOE
I posted the link to show your attitude. Now go find a farm to sell your BS too.
I thought you were going to turn your ringer off.
KORBIN5895
11-22-12, 09:15 AM
I thought you were going to turn your ringer off.
I am having a conversation with someone via pm. Do you have anything relevant to add? Are you that concerned I'm still here? I thought you weren't replying anymore? So much for your word. Also I posted a link so they can see that you really don't care about sharing proper info. Your posts said it all.
I am having a conversation with someone via pm. Do you have anything relevant to add? Are you that concerned I'm still here? I thought you weren't replying anymore? So much for your word. Also I posted a link so they can see that you really don't care about sharing proper info. Your posts said it all.
That being said I will forever call them RED TAIL BOAS now just to spite people like you who would rather jump someone for their terminology rather than doing anything constructive. I am done now so go ahead and take the last word.
lady_bug87
11-22-12, 09:45 AM
That being said I will forever call them RED TAIL BOAS now just to spite people like you who would rather jump someone for their terminology rather than doing anything constructive. I am done now so go ahead and take the last word.
It's stuff like this that make having a sense of community impossible. I am not going to jump on you for anything. Your debate with korbin is YOUR debate. I would like to share with you what I think is wrong with communities in general.
Now I did not read the initial link that started this thread but from what I can ascertain by the proceeding comments it was a laundry list of issues plaguing the reptile hobby community to which there are many.
Communities themselves are fluid in state and hardly ever remain the same, once they do they die. Now communities start because of a phenomenon called conscience colletive which is a fancy French we of saying we ALL have something in common to bring us together. This is true in all communities. It can be location, culture, religion, language, hobbies, experiences, professions, etc.
When a community works well, it means that it has developed norms and morres which dictate how people act and react in situations. This includes colloquy, an understood background of knowledge which is fully accepted by all members, and understood 'punishments' for social infraction. if communities were perfect there would be no uprising because everyone would know the rules and how to follow them. See how NO community is perfect? We have graffiti, crime, vandalism, theft, disrespect, arguments, fights all because we subconsciously don't believe in one aspect of the community. We either don't like the rules or refuse to accept prior knowledge as fact, or refuse to accept the punishment for social infractions all which equals uprising, unrest and rebellion
Our community of herpetology reacts the same way with the same flaws. To answer Norm's question there will never be a way to 'fix' communities. Though in the face of adversary communities join together it is not a permanent state. It does not mean that our hobby is going to eliminate itself it just means that it will have to go through the same metamorphosis that ALL communities do in order to survive.
So really there is NOTHING wrong with this community just like there is nothing wrong with any other.
Lankyrob
11-22-12, 09:50 AM
That being said I will forever call them RED TAIL BOAS now just to spite people like you who would rather jump someone for their terminology rather than doing anything constructive. I am done now so go ahead and take the last word.
And this is why you should stop trying to "educate" anyone. Knowingly providing false information to people is one of the most ignorant acts you can undertake and only belittles YOU not those that correct you in order to provide proper information.
dinosaurdammit
11-22-12, 11:07 AM
I often find with animal hobbies that there is more drama than the furry fandom. I think it stems from people trying to help but being more blunt than a cave man's club and beating it into people rather than suggest something. You dont have to sugar coat things but you also dont have to make people feel embarrassed or like an idiot. It really just dampens the outlook on asking for help and makes someone feel like they no matter what will be stupid in the eyes of the "elite".
That being said people also need to quit getting so butthurt easily. Someone tells you that you are doing something wrong or even harmful to your animal- take it with a grain of salt as they are trying to help the animals. To the people giving advice you dont have to belittle people and seem holier than thou, it really is a two way street- people need to start realizing that. I have seen this spit in people in the reptile world on EVERY forum. Redtailedboaforums more than this- thank god. There are people who truly want to help, and then there are the asshats who just like to poke prod and witch hunt for the sheer lulz, and that needs to stop. You need to conduct yourselves like professional adults.
EmbraceCalamity
11-22-12, 11:25 AM
I often find with animal hobbies that there is more drama than the furry fandom.Lolreally? Trust me, working with horses is a bloodsport (literally and figuratively, actually, but I mean figuratively). Everyone is at each other's throats. I think it comes down more to how much information is out there, how much of it is reliable, and how much variance there is in it. Things like dogs and cats are well understood, and how to care for them properly is pretty common knowledge. But some other things, especially things more complex to take care of with many different views, are likely to result in a bloodbath.
~Maggot
dinosaurdammit
11-22-12, 11:27 AM
Lolreally? Trust me, working with horses is a bloodsport (literally and figuratively, actually, but I mean figuratively). Everyone is at each other's throats. I think it comes down more to how much information is out there, how much of it is reliable, and how much variance there is in it. Things like dogs and cats are well understood, and how to care for them properly is pretty common knowledge. But some other things, especially things more complex to take care of with many different views, are likely to result in a bloodbath.
~Maggot
wrong kind of furry there mate
infernalis
11-22-12, 11:44 AM
http://mydisguises.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/wolf-furry.jpg
EmbraceCalamity
11-22-12, 11:45 AM
wrong kind of furry there mateVery bad wording, dear.
~Maggot
So admit you're wrong Jason, and we can move along.
EmbraceCalamity
11-22-12, 11:55 AM
http://mydisguises.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/wolf-furry.jpgExactly. Also, I'm pretty sure I just had a heart attack.So admit you're wrong Jason, and we can move alongAbout what, exactly? I'm curious. If it's the boa thing, in the very, very, very beginning of this (in the video), he admitted he was wrong.
~Maggot
StudentoReptile
11-22-12, 09:10 PM
Wait...this is all because Jason White called a BCI a red-tailed boa (something he later admitted was incorrect)?
Seriously??? This is what the fuss is about? He calls a snake by a common name that 90% of the world also uses, and 100% of the reptile community knows what he meant anyway.
I mean, I'm all for labeling things accurately, but come on: it's not like he's telling folks to keep iguanas in 10-gal tanks, and baby turtles in glass bowls.
Sheesh....God forbid anyone make a mistake. He is right. If we are so focused on this nitpicky stuff, it is no small wonder the reptile community has no unity.
infernalis
11-22-12, 10:05 PM
Wait...this is all because Jason White called a BCI a red-tailed boa (something he later admitted was incorrect)?
Seriously??? This is what the fuss is about? He calls a snake by a common name that 90% of the world also uses, and 100% of the reptile community knows what he meant anyway.
I mean, I'm all for labeling things accurately, but come on: it's not like he's telling folks to keep iguanas in 10-gal tanks, and baby turtles in glass bowls.
Sheesh....God forbid anyone make a mistake. He is right. If we are so focused on this nitpicky stuff, it is no small wonder the reptile community has no unity.
What is gutting me, last year not one single person on this forum would have ripped Jason apart for something so simple.
Someone has spent too much time on Fauna, and the fauna crowd mentality has rubbed off or whatever.
This is NOT fauna classified, not even close.
Over there, I can launch a herp thread and get one reply, If I post a bitch thread, it will get ten pages of replies.
Screw that, I want to talk about reptiles, not bash people.
shaunyboy
11-22-12, 10:33 PM
They also need to make sure that they promote education and use correct information. This hobby has no room for educationalists who knowingly give crap info.
i agree mate
the APA animal protection group have actually started giving out false or twisted facts.....
some of their own fanatical members are even admitting they're spouting bull**it
we need to deal with proven facts,not hear say and opinion
cheers shaun
KORBIN5895
11-23-12, 05:08 AM
What is gutting me, last year not one single person on this forum would have ripped Jason apart for something so simple.
Someone has spent too much time on Fauna, and the fauna crowd mentality has rubbed off or whatever.
This is NOT fauna classified, not even close.
Over there, I can launch a herp thread and get one reply, If I post a bitch thread, it will get ten pages of replies.
Screw that, I want to talk about reptiles, not bash people.
Bullshit. Did you read the thread? At first I was polite or at the very least neutral. He got all defensive and tried to wiggle out.
My beef is he was lazy then tried to get away with it when he was called out. He knew better he even said he knew Better. So why not do the proper thing ?
EmbraceCalamity
11-23-12, 05:22 AM
Bullshit. Did you read the thread? At first I was polite or at the very least neutral. He got all defensive and tried to wiggle out.
My beef is he was lazy then tried to get away with it when he was called out. He knew better he even said he knew Better. So why not do the proper thing ?Really? Good God! Go somewhere else! You spread false information just because it's" easier". We really don't need people giving out false info as that is what will bring this hobby to its knees.
Btw how is your "red tail"?That's what you call polite?
And no, he didn't try to wiggle out of anything. He said at the very beginning, in the bloody video, that he was using the incorrect term. He admitted he was wrong in the video, so what more do you want? Him to do it again? I was sharing the story and the snake with people on my YouTube Channel (http://www.youtube.com/reptile411) and I actually did knowledge that was NOT the proper name but the name they are most commonly refereed [sic] to. I will also put the video below.OH NOEZ. HE SAID THAT IT WASN'T THE PROPER NAME, BUT WAS WHAT THEY WERE COMMONLY CALLED. DEAR GOD, WE MUST FREAK OUT ABOUT THIS AND ACT LIKE IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD.
Seriously. I believe you to be a complete and utter idiot manchild, but I still expect better of you than this. You just don't like the guy and are latching onto anything, no matter how ridiculous, to criticise, belittle, and harass him, just like you've done with me. I see that's how you react to people you don't like, and it's pathetic.
~Maggot
Terranaut
11-23-12, 05:37 AM
Maybe people need to focus more on their reptiles and not focus so much on the other members here. I wonder how much of this attitude would come out if we were all together in person discussing our herps. Animal abuse or a blatant lack of listening when proper advise is given is grounds for a call out. Calling a bci and rtb is so common. Who cares? The snake will not bennefit from correcting this. Korbin you know I like you on here but come on. A little chill needs to be excersised on your side of a few threads now. Please?
StudentoReptile
11-23-12, 06:55 AM
I think the village idiot needs to go back to his hut for a little while.
EmbraceCalamity
11-23-12, 07:01 AM
I think the village idiot needs to go back to his hut for a little while.He PM'd me saying he's "taking off for a bit" because somethingsomething whine or whatever. We'll see if it actually happens.
~Maggot
Lankyrob
11-23-12, 07:48 AM
That being said I will forever call them RED TAIL BOAS now just to spite people like you who would rather jump someone for their terminology rather than doing anything constructive. I am done now so go ahead and take the last word.
This post was/is my only issue as it is just petty and pathetic and proves to me that there is no interest in real education.
MoreliAddict
11-23-12, 08:46 AM
Korbin starting fights again. How surprising. :tired1_2:
I think the village idiot needs to go back to his hut for a little while.
I 2nd this!
StudentoReptile
11-23-12, 08:54 AM
This post was/is my only issue as it is just petty and pathetic and proves to me that there is no interest in real education.
Perhaps...but we all are human, and when backed into a corner and attacked for something so petty to begin with (a mistake that happened a while back and he admitted he was aware of the error/correct "name"), I almost can hardly blame him for reacting. Would I have reacted any differently? Maybe...maybe not.
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