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PeachCreature
08-16-12, 01:54 PM
So some back information on the crappy snake owners that gave me my snake, and his aggression issues: (sorry if it's long!)

I decided I wanted to get a snake and after learning about different breeds I chose a ball python to be right for my first snake. I had just missed repticon by a week and further decided I didn't want to purchase a new baby snake. I looked at craigslist, as many people tend to sell their snakes due to moving or living situations. I found a post with a two year old male ball python, the owners bought him from a breeder and the woman I spoke to simply said "my son has lost interest in reptiles." Okay. $150 for all him and all his supplies from a family, sounded pretty good. So I drive 45 minutes to their house somewhere in the suburbs. This is where stuff got weird.

First of, the left side of the terrarium was completely cracked and taped over with duct tape. That was not mentioned in the post (but i looked over that because hey...it's craigslist). I reached into his terrarium and scooped him up and the woman gasped. I looked at her kind of confused and she said "Oh, good, you aren't afraid of him." I was like, what? Why should I be? The woman kept talking about all of her sons snakes and how he's more into football now or something. While ignoring her babbling I inspect the snake and see a little black mite crawl over his eye. "Does this snake have mites?". She just went blank and was like "No! NO why would you think that?". Then her son comes out of the goddamn shadows with some cheap mite spray. Then she changes her story and is like "Oh yeah, he thought he might have mites so he has some spray." I've never had a snake, but I already know from basic research you cannot get rid of mites with some cheap pet store spray. They were all over him. I looked in his cage and his water was extremely dirty and his poop was everywhere. I asked about food and the woman said "We fed him every two weeks but he started growing too fast so we feed him less now". Wtf?

Needless to say I did not want to pay these people $150, but I couldn't leave this snake with them. So I gave them the money and took him. My father and I already had plans to build him a very nice terrarium, so I just looked over the cracks.

He's been doing well now and I got him to start eating (at first he refused). The mites have been and issue, but I think I found a website to help (the method involving bleach, betadine , and boiling everything).

Anyway, my main issue is his aggression. He was fine with me for three days and one day he was on the floor inbetween my feet and I reached down to get him. He bunted my hand with his face. Sometimes when people walk by his terrarium he bites at the glass. I normally feed him inside his habitat because anytime I feed him outside he just bites at the mouse in front of him. Sometimes he bites at others, but for some reason he never does it to me. Not sure if he knows my scent now or something. He'll slither all over me and he'll be just fine and then bite at someone who walks past me (I do know their frontal vision is limited...but it seems like it's too often and that he's afraid)

I don't know what these people did to this snake. I assume handled him terribly or never touched him ever. But what are some things I can do to stop his constant fear and aggression?
Also any additional mite killing info would be appreciated! I'm about to do the hardcore cleansing because they let his infestation get so bad. The last two times i've tried getting rid of them some manage to come back. I don't want to finish this really awesome snake habitat and move him to it, only for it to become infested also. I might just replace everything he has!

^^I love this little guy, and I want him to be comfortable and happy, and as sociable as a snake can be.

snake man12
08-16-12, 02:12 PM
Just wow... At least you rescued him from those people.

Hurrok
08-16-12, 02:23 PM
Awe that is such a sad story, but thankfully you were there to help him out and get him to a better home. I haven't dealt with a mite problem before so I can't help you there, but it looks like your on the right track. I'm sure there will be more people to help you out :)

What are you going to name him? :D

jtfife
08-16-12, 02:39 PM
Wow...glad you got him out of that situation. Horrible! There are some great threads on here that deal with mite issues and how to address it. As far as being defensive, I would recommend giving him time to settle in and minimize the handling. You will have to do some handling while getting rid of the mites and that will be stress enough on top of the stress he is going through with actually having the mites. It can take a considerable amount of time for a snake to get used to it's surroundings and the interactions you refer to such as people walking by. Once you get rid of the mites start handling him once or twice a week in short bursts of 10 minutes or so. The defensive behavior should start to decrease over time. Be aware that there is a slim possibility that he may never change. So be patient, address the mite issue, and continue to care and love him and things will work out for both of you. I commend you on getting him out of such a terrible situation.

PeachCreature
08-16-12, 02:47 PM
Awe that is such a sad story, but thankfully you were there to help him out and get him to a better home. I haven't dealt with a mite problem before so I can't help you there, but it looks like your on the right track. I'm sure there will be more people to help you out :)

What are you going to name him? :D


Oh I've had him for a minute now and I named him Limbo!

SnakeyJay
08-16-12, 03:34 PM
Personally I'd would have offered to take the snake they're scared of off their hands for free. They obviously don't give a crap about its care and considering the costs of building a new viv and getting the poor thing mite free, they wouldn't have got much cash from me..

However it's done and well done for doing the best you can :). With the aggression it's all about patience and time, start with short sessions of about ten minutes when there isn't people walkin past and around you as this obviously freaks him out. Also try not to approach him from above as this will scare him due to natural instincts of predators coming from above..

Goodluck with him and please keep us updated on how he does. Oh an where's a photo of limbo :D

Pareeeee
08-16-12, 05:25 PM
Good luck with him! I'm not experienced with mite problems but I'm sure some of the others here can help you. Helpful bunch on this site :)

I would love to see some photos of him!

citysnakes
08-23-12, 09:29 PM
Hey not sure how your mite problem is going but you should consider purchasing a can of Provent-A-Mite. Its only been a week since your original post and if all you did was clean the tank then there is a good chance that your mite problem is not resolved. Its definitely a good idea to treat everything again but this time with Provent-A-Mite (PAM).

Rogue628
08-24-12, 02:20 AM
With the aggression it's all about patience and time, start with short sessions of about ten minutes when there isn't people walkin past and around you as this obviously freaks him out. Also try not to approach him from above as this will scare him due to natural instincts of predators coming from above..


^^^ This. I also suggest putting him in a no to little traffic area if possible. It sounds like you haven't had him very long (<month) so he needs time to acclimate....settle in and get used to his new surroundings. If you can't move him to a lower traffic area, try draping a towel over the front during the busiest parts of the day, at least. It's good that he's eating now but he's still stressed.

As far as mites, I haven't dealt with a mite problem in years, but I'm sure more experienced keepers can give you some good suggestions on getting rid of them quickly.

bcoop1234
08-24-12, 06:20 AM
Like CitySnakes said.... Provent-A-Mite, I used it and it works fantastic.

shaunyboy
08-24-12, 06:36 AM
Hey not sure how your mite problem is going but you should consider purchasing a can of Provent-A-Mite. Its only been a week since your original post and if all you did was clean the tank then there is a good chance that your mite problem is not resolved. Its definitely a good idea to treat everything again but this time with Provent-A-Mite (PAM).

^^^^^
the above is the best way to go imo

PROVENT A MITE worked first time everytime for me (it remains active for 30 days )

follow the instructions on the can

DO NOT SPRAY THE SNAKE OR WATER BOWL

cheers shaun

Wildside
08-24-12, 06:38 AM
I'm so glad you guys actually spell out "Provent-a-mite". I absolutely do not even want to think about how many people have used non stick cooking spray to try and get rid of a mite infestation.

If you happen to have trouble getting your hands on some Provent-a-mite. I have a few other suggestions available upon request, but they require diligence.

shaunyboy
08-24-12, 06:45 AM
provent a mite is made in America so should be easily available to you guys

its a great product,i always keep a full can just in case

i've been lucky though and only had 2 snakes with mite infestations,they had them when i bought them

cheers shaun

Wildside
08-24-12, 07:10 AM
provent a mite is made in America so should be easily available to you guys

its a great product,i always keep a full can just in case

i've been lucky though and only had 2 snakes with mite infestations,they had them when i bought them

cheers shaun

Just depends on where you are. I have to either order it online or drive a couple hours to an expo.