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Please can someone tell me what morph of corn snake this is. I thought it might be an albino. thx for any help
Brent
exwizard
08-12-12, 07:13 AM
Looks like a Candy Cane to me
ashleynicole
08-12-12, 06:23 PM
Yes it is albino, meaning it lacks any black pigment and they eyes are red. However there are a lot of different names for many different albino morphs. I believe yours can be called either a candy cane or creamsicle, but I am by no means an expert on these morphs.
Jlassiter
08-12-12, 08:50 PM
Looks like candy cane. Definitely amelanistic (albino).
A creamsicle is an emoryi ratsnake x corn snake hybrid.
This one does not look like a creamsicle......
Thx. I was kinda thinking it was a candycane
Amel! the spot between the colors shoes that its not a candy cane
exwizard
08-21-12, 02:35 PM
http://www.ssnakess.com/gallery/data/550/medium/Schatzi.jpg
This is an Amel, not the OP pic. Big difference.
It would be good to see some better pics of this snake as it is hard to tell exactly from these pics. To me the top pic does look a bit like some candycanes but the bottom pic looks like a normal amel.
Ndheep have you got any better pics preferably in sunlight?
ashleynicole
08-25-12, 04:16 PM
don't forget, the colors change and get darker as the grow
Amelanistic simply means without melanin. (another name for albino)
many morphs are amelanistic including candy cane, snow, creamsicle
Anerythristic means without the red pigmintation
, If you breed an amelanistic corn with a amelanistic you can get get some snow corns lacking both the red and black pigmentation.
don't forget, the colors change and get darker as the grow
Amelanistic simply means without melanin. (another name for albino)
many morphs are amelanistic including candy cane, snow, creamsicle
Anerythristic means without the red pigmintation
, If you breed an amelanistic corn with a amelanistic you can get get some snow corns lacking both the red and black pigmentation.
This is not correct. Candycane is a selectively bred amel so right in this case but a snow is amel and anery and a creamsicle is a hybrid of an amel corn and a great plains rat snake. If you breed amel and amel together all you get are amels.
ashleynicole
08-25-12, 06:26 PM
don't forget, the colors change and get darker as the grow
Amelanistic simply means without melanin. (another name for albino)
many morphs are amelanistic including candy cane, snow, creamsicle
Anerythristic means without the red pigmintation
, If you breed an amelanistic corn with a amelanistic you can get get some snow corns lacking both the red and black pigmentation.
This is not correct. Candycane is a selectively bred amel so right in this case but a snow is amel and anery and a creamsicle is a hybrid of an amel corn and a great plains rat snake. If you breed amel and amel together all you get are amels.
Excuse me but it is correct.
"amel" is the term used for amelanistic which is without melanin, lacking the red pigmintation. A creamsicle is a type of amelanistic snake. wheather it is a hyrbrid of a rat and a corn snake is not relevant to the the presence or abscense of melanin in the pigmintation.
There are many morphs of amelanistic snakes. My sunglow motley is amelanistic. snows are amelanistic, creamsicles are amelanistic. candy canes are amelanisitic. They all lack melanin, the black pigmintation.
a snow is lacking both red and black pigmintation. That's why I said if you breed an amelanistic and an anery corn you can get snow corns. You will get some amel, some anery, and some snow.
And yes, colors do change and get bright/darker as the snakes grow. It won't change what pigmintation they have, but my okeetee got brighter and brighter red as he grew and my sunglow has gotten deeper orange pigmintation as she has grown as well.
From cornsnake.net
https://www.cornsnake.net/snakes-for-sale.html?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.pbv.tpl&product_id=52&category_id=82
"The amel mutation is elemental in many compound cornsnake morphs, and since many of the other color and pattern mutations can alter the general coloration of amel corns, the one all Amel types of corns have in common is their complete absence of black over their entire bodies. The most popular selective variations of the amel mutation include the Candy Cane , Reverse Okeetee, Fluorescent, and Sunglow. They are all polygenic variants of the base mutation, amel. Dark areas may be seen in some of the eyes of amel types, but this is not melanin. It is tissue in the eyes that does not reflect light, and therefore only appears to be black."
and here is one excerpt that speaks about colors changing as they grow:
"in some hatchlings the areas where you expect to see white can be somewhat clear or lavender in color, but they will transform to white with age."
and about the creamsicle:
"Creamsicle is the albino compound product of the Amel mutation of Corn Snake and any form of Emory's Rat Snake (aka: Great Plains Rat Snake)"
So although yes, a creamsicle is a hybrid it is still amelanistic.
hope this helps.
ashleynicole
08-25-12, 06:46 PM
with further research I believe yours is a normal amel. This is why:
https://www.cornsnake.net/snakes-for-sale.html?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.pbv.tpl&product_id=69&category_id=40
"Candy Canes are Amel corns that have been selectively bred to promote their target look (red or orange blotches on a white background). They owe their morph status to early corn breeders that spent generations of pairing only Amels with the best white ground color and best red (or orange) markings - to create what we today call Candy Canes. Since the only mutation they possess is Amel, the obvious distinction between Candy Canes and the average Amel corn is the obvious color scheme."
Here is a little more evidence of what I mean by colors changing as they grow:
"As neonates, all Candy Canes are shockingly red or orange on white, but with maturity, the white ground color becomes littered with a pale red or an orange blush - relegated mostly to the front part of the body. I don't recall ever seeing one that was completely devoid of color litter over the entire ground zones, but we're getting closer to that with each generation. Some of the hatchlings displaying orange markings mature to have redder markings, and some of those starting with red markings change to orange. About 75% of all our red ones stay red, and about the same percentage of the orange marked ones stay orange."
exwizard
08-25-12, 08:09 PM
http://www.ssnakess.com/gallery/data/550/medium/Schatzi.jpg
This is an Amel, not the OP pic. Big difference.
Ashley check this link out. This Amel is mine and she is a lot more colorful than the snake in question here. Compared to my Amel, this snake looks more like a Candy Cane.
I did not word my answer very well at all (it was late for me, I should have been in bed), what I should of said was
This is not entirely correct. They all contain the amel trait and candycane is a selectively bred amel so right in this case to be called amel, a snow is a combination of amel and anery and a creamsicle is a hybrid of an amel corn and a great plains rat snake. If you breed amel and amel together all you get are amels.
ashleynicole
08-26-12, 08:03 AM
Ashley check this link out. This Amel is mine and she is a lot more colorful than the snake in question here. Compared to my Amel, this snake looks more like a Candy Cane.
It could be a candy cane, Like I said I am not an expert but I have read a lot about it since I am currently planning on breeding my corns in a year or two. I am also collecting different morphs so I have a variety of breeding options. I want to get a license to breed and sell before I start so that's why i am researching as much as possible now.
I did not word my answer very well at all (it was late for me, I should have been in bed), what I should of said was
This is not entirely correct. They all contain the amel trait and candycane is a selectively bred amel so right in this case to be called amel, a snow is a combination of amel and anery and a creamsicle is a hybrid of an amel corn and a great plains rat snake. If you breed amel and amel together all you get are amels.
No worries, I get what your saying, I think your saying pretty much the same thing. They are all amelanistic morphs or hybrids in the case of the creamsicle.
Jlassiter
08-26-12, 02:20 PM
Where do you live that you need a license to breed and sell corns?
ashleynicole
08-26-12, 02:22 PM
I haven't really looked into it yet, but I talked to a local family owned pet store and they said they only buy reptiles from licensed breeders. I live in Florida.
snake man12
08-26-12, 02:23 PM
That's an excuse to get you to pay more...
Jlassiter
08-26-12, 02:37 PM
Florida does have specific reptile rules and does require a "license"
ashleynicole
08-26-12, 02:39 PM
yeah I talked to a few people at the last repticon and they told me they are relatively easy to get, Right now I am just collecting morphs and focusing on getting really good quality snakes. Also looking into investing in a rack specifically for my corns and rotating them out through a display viv because my husband likes to display them.
here is a better pic. this is 1 day after shed.
Jlassiter
08-30-12, 12:45 PM
Looks like a normal Amel (albino) to me....
ashleynicole
08-30-12, 04:29 PM
Looks like a normal Amel (albino) to me....
I agree ;)
aacornsnake
10-01-12, 11:50 PM
Perhaps somone would be able to help me out in determining my new hatchlings morph. I have looked everywhere and in may books and cant quite seem to find any quite like it. very similar ones but none the same.
Wyldrose
10-04-12, 09:02 AM
The first snake is an amel, very nice one ;)
The new baby is a normal :) After it's first shed it'll look more "normal" like.
Kingsnakechris
10-04-12, 09:32 AM
Agreed. The hatchling looks like a normal to me based on a quick search lol
Wyldrose
10-04-12, 09:38 AM
12 out of 16 of my hatchlings (One DIE) where normals :)
What was the pairing?
Snakefood
10-04-12, 05:20 PM
http://www.ssnakess.com/gallery/data/550/medium/Schatzi.jpg
This is an Amel, not the OP pic. Big difference.
Hey Ex,
Haven't talked snakes in a while, eh??
this baby in question definately looks to be a typical Amel, it looks different from yours because Schatzi is an adult and this little one is a hatchling.
if I were to go grab a pic of my hatchling Amels, they would look very similar to the one posted.
Snakefood
10-04-12, 05:23 PM
Perhaps somone would be able to help me out in determining my new hatchlings morph. I have looked everywhere and in may books and cant quite seem to find any quite like it. very similar ones but none the same.
I would agree that you have a normal (or Carolina Classic) that has yet to shed. Pretty little thing though, isnt it??
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