people on kingsnake are so mean [Archive]

boa maniac

01-20-03, 03:24 PM

Man I have been having bad luck over these past few weeks, i got swamped with bills, and then I got ripped off by an african company for 2200 dollars and then my floor caved in in my store and it cost me a chunk of money to repair it, and then to top this off I havent sold anything since christmas, and it finally took its toll on me , and right at the moment I am broke. I dont have enough to feed my animals this week, so i went on kingsnake boa forum and asked for some help in feeding my animals thinkin that maybe there are some well off boa people in the states that may possibly donate a few frozen rats, because in the states there are boa breeders who are millionaires, anyways, all i got was put down and criticized. they thought i was scammin people and they pretty much called me a bum, saying i should just give away all my animals. I thought it wouldnt hurt to ask, but now I totally regret asking for help on there, they are such mean hearted people down there. I know that in a few weeks I will be on top off my game again, I just got worried about my animals. I have over 600 snakes that need to be fed and i dont have enough to feed them this week, but it could change tomorrow, but i was a little worried about it so I posted a post asking for help. Never again, man there are some cruel people in this business. I just never anticipated that everything would slow right down after christmas, if i knew this i would not have sent 2200 dollars to africa, and then they go and ripp me off, sheesh, i never anticipated that my floor in my store would cave in, I just moved into this building a few months back and didnt know that the floor was rotted under neath, no wonder why the owner was so quick to get me into the building. sometimes life throws these obstacles in our way to see how we react, I just had a string of bad luck, I am sure everyone experienced this at one time or another. The people in kingsnake were putting down my husbandry and the way I keep my animals. Man I keep my animals in the best possible environment, I spend hours each day 7 days a week keeping them clean and happy. I Even give some of the aniamls daily baths. anyone who has gotton anything from me would attest to how nice my animals are. But on kingsnake they just pass judgement before they have all the facts!!! why are some people like that???

never ask kingsnake for help!!!! thanx for letting me vent.

peace, love and happy herping!!!

Swampwalker

01-20-03, 03:37 PM

I'm sorry to hear about your run of bad luck, I hope that things improve soon. I met you at PCPC show in the fall, and thought you had a great selection of animals.

I don't think you should put down an entire web community though. I've seen nasty responses and wars of words on this site too. Its just the nature of the internet, there are alway people out there stirring up the s#%t. Theres a lot of great people on K ingsnake and a lot of great people here, and many people go to both.

Best of luck, and I look forward to seeing one day at another PCPC show.

marisa

01-20-03, 03:46 PM

Know I have realized forums online are much like the police in bad areas....

After so many times of things turning out bad, people who are idiots posting, people constantly asking "I just bought a snake can he eat crickets" etc...that when one true good person posts something the reaction is automatic now. Like police in Los Angeles where I used to live. They have to deal with so much BS each day from idiots that when they do pull over a half way good person they treat him like another gang banger or criminal because they have lost their patience with people on a whole. Much like the "I am always right" people on kingsnake, they have lost faith that anyone is going to do things right anymore and they answer that way too. Automatically jumping to conclusions because for so long they are used to people being fools. But yes I agree. They need to take time and evaluate each question as a new situation. :)

marisa

tHeGiNo

01-20-03, 03:51 PM

Hey there. I have about fifty rat pups. Do you still need any help? Please be honest as I am trying to be a nice guy. I understand what your going through

marisa

01-20-03, 03:52 PM

Just out of curiosity could you maybe find a larger scale or medium scale rodent breeder who would be willing to possibly work something out for rodents?

Say a trade?
Or maybe some sort of "advertising" in your store for feeders as payment?
Or maybe a promise/agreement to continue puchasing the large amount of rodents you need from the same location in the future, if they can give you a front on a week or two worth now?

My suggestions sound ridiculous...but my best. :(

marisa

BoidKeeper

01-20-03, 06:15 PM

Hey you know what, what goes around comes around! They'll get theirs. I have a hundred mice pinkies, they're yours if you need them, just PM me and we can work out how to get them there. We're both in the maritimes so it can't be that hard.
Cheers,
Trevor

andrea

01-20-03, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by marisa
Just out of curiosity could you maybe find a larger scale or medium scale rodent breeder who would be willing to possibly work something out for rodents?

Say a trade?
Or maybe some sort of "advertising" in your store for feeders as payment?
Or maybe a promise/agreement to continue puchasing the large amount of rodents you need from the same location in the future, if they can give you a front on a week or two worth now?

My suggestions sound ridiculous...but my best. :(

marisa

those arent ridiculous marisa. that is the way people used to treat each other ... you have something someone needs, they do something for you that you need done and you give it to them. that is the way the world ought to work. my husband fixes and builds computers on the side and the pet store owners here always need work on their systems and help with problems and things. one late evening one of our snakes arrived and it was bigger, by about a foot, than we had thought it would be, a bit older than we assumed, and the tank we had it could have lived in for a few days to a week but we didnt feel right puting it in there. we called them and caught them just before they left the store and they GAVE us a two hundred dollar tank for free, knowing we didnt have that without planning for it. we have two very small children. two hundred bucks is a lot to us. and my hubby is just doing their comp work for free until it is paid off, which isnt long really, with comp work being so time consuming. we also have done stuff for them for free in the past, so we get mice and rats at a discount from them, and last week when we were in there, she GAVE me a big nice ceramic hide for my burm for free.
that is not a ridiculous suggestion, just shows that you are a good hearted person and expect the rest of teh world to be as well.
wish there was something i could do to help

PortCreditPets

01-20-03, 09:10 PM

Mike, Give me a private email I can help out with your dilemma.

Grant
www.portcreditpets.com

vincenzo

01-20-03, 10:14 PM

i would be willing to help if i had the money or the rodents . sorry there isn't anything i could do to help. hope things work out for you soon

boa maniac

01-20-03, 11:36 PM

wow you all are so awsome on here, I truly appreciate all the kind words, and especially the offers. I searched around nova scotia and i dont know any big scale rodent breeders, i am trying to breed my own rats but most of my females i have are still too younge, in about a months time i should have a large enough colony of rats and mice to sustain myself, but right now i just dont have enough, i had a few litters a few days ago, but i didnt even finish one rack system.
I never truly appreciated the ammount of rodents a large collection of snakes could go thru.

I want to include that Grant from Port Credit Pets, has been awsome!!! He is always there to help out fello herpers!!! And in the short time I have been around he has always been there for me, Thanx Buddy!!!

Swampwalker

01-21-03, 01:18 AM

Way to go Grant!!!!!!

I'm glad to see that things are working out for you Boa Maniac

Nanashi04

01-21-03, 10:01 AM

Hope everything turns out ok. I know how it feels to be broke... growing up with a single parent and all. Best of luck with the rodents, I'm afraid that I don't really have anything to donate... o.o;

Katatonic

01-21-03, 10:42 AM

Damn, it's times such as this that I wish I was a little more well off, know that my intentions are sincere when I say I wish I could offer something more than a well-wishing. I hope things pick up, and on the other hand, TheGino, BoidKeeper, and Grant @ PCPC, what a noble gesture. Keep that up, and the hobby may be pure one day.
Best of luck and I hope it all picks up.
LATER.

HELENA

01-21-03, 12:03 PM

I'm sorry to hear that you are having such bad luck. Hope everything works out for you!
It's nice to see everyone helping out.
It just shows how great the Herp commmunity truly is.
Hope to see you at the show.
Helena&KaHane

Gorelith

01-21-03, 01:06 PM

I think I speak for us all in saying we're truly sorry for your string of bad luck and I think it's safe to say we've all been there at some time or another. A lot of people in the valley area who I talk to from time to time may be able to help me help you. If you have a poster or something you could email me, i'd be glad to post them up on the bulletin boards in many of our local pet stores and maybe bring in a little more business for you. (It'll help you out on a personal level, help the hobby on a CB level and maybe even help the state of the economy a little) This is about the extent of help I can give you as I too am in the midst of minor financial distress (nothing new to me though) but i'd be glad to lend a hand and see if we can at least get some more people through your shop doors. Best of luck and may 2003 be more plentiful than your past shades of grey. -Scott

Pythonian

01-21-03, 01:21 PM

wow.. talking about coming in late on the conversation ... if you still need them i can buy (NOT MANY i'm a college student) but some frozen rats and send them to ya. I know what it's like to be poor and i just sold my car so i'm ghetto rich right now ;)

Mike
to make things even better.. i'll buy them from someone on the forums and have them sent to ya!

asphyxia

01-21-03, 01:37 PM

Without Bad Days There Would Be No Good Days

lets have an update for the late "posters" and let us now how you are making out...I hope everything has worked out

Brian

Linds

01-21-03, 01:51 PM

Yeah, unfortunately the atmosphere on that other site tends to lean in that direction most of the time. I'm fairly certain that that was definitely part of what prompted Jeff to create this community - and thats also the reason many kingsnake users have migrated over here and never looked back. I often wonder why all those people still continue to post on that site if they are just going to jump to conclusions and down peoples throats everytime they get asked a question. If they are sick of hearing the same "stupid" questions, then why don't they jsut take a break? I know if I didn't want to help people I wouldn't be posting. Good luck with your situation Mike, hope your luck turns around :)

MisterSinister

01-21-03, 01:54 PM

I saw your posts on ************** and if you want my opininion i really think that by posting that on ************** and here, you just lost ALOT of business. I am only speaking for myself but you have just told me that your snakes are starving and you cant afford to feed them. So me as a potential customer is defenatly not going to buy a starving snake or one that is being starved. Also, asking for free feeders etc would be fine if you were a rescue or free zoo or something but you are a retailer of animals. If McDonalds runs out of beef they dont ask Wendys or Burger King to supply them with free meat. So by posting on kingsnake you really just lost customers who would have bought snakes but wont now because they are being starved and in return you lost money that could have been used to feed the snakes you have. Thats just my 0.2cents.

dead bob

01-21-03, 02:38 PM

A snake that misses a meal or two is far from starving.

In case you havent noticed, but the entire world is having an economic downturn right now and all businesses are hurting. He could have "liquidated" part of his collection to make it easier. Instead, he goes to the other place and asks his peers for help. These are the people who should understand the most but he is attacked for it. It took alot of guts for him to do that and it shows he truely cares about the animals and it's not just a business. Most breeders do not make money doing this. They do it for the love of the animals and not love of money. They would do something else if it was about money.

I personally would buy an animal from him because based on his posts he has displayed he has knowledge of and a general understanding of the animals and more importantly he cares. The only thing that would prevent me is the cost. Could you believe the shipping and import costs coming from Nova Scotia to Arizona? :eek:

Anyways, good luck B.M.

MisterSinister

01-21-03, 02:54 PM

Oh he is a breeder?? I was under the impression that he was a importer / exporter. If he is a breeder then its a completly differant scenario, sorry about that. A importer / exporter brings in wild caught animals for resale which is to make money from the hobby. Sorry i got it mixed up. :rolleyes:

Lizzy001

01-21-03, 02:56 PM

sorry about ur bad luck.
im really happy ur enjoying it here, like most of us, we are not shy when it comes to helpin people...thats y i love this site.

Lizzy xx

katev17

01-21-03, 02:58 PM

Hey, by the way, MSinister, I don't think you read his original post properly... there was no way he could have predicted his situation, and it just so happened he got struck by bad luck. I'm sure if you've ever had that happen, you can appreciate his situation... and if you haven't, then I say until then you don't have a right to judge how his animals are treated. You don't know what conditions they're in and have no proof that his animals are by anymeans mistreated or starving or anything of the sort. As dead bob said, a snake that misses a meal or two is far from starving. We've only heard good things about him anyway, so why are you making assumptions? If you ever need help and need someone to turn to, you'd turn to your family and friends for help, wouldn't you? Well personally I think it's great that he can turn to people like those on this board who have so generously offered to help.

It's amazing that so many people can trusted to help in a time of need, and I don't think you should be trying to make him feel bad. I should hope that his kind of bad luck would not come across anybody, but if it does it's comforting to know there's so many people to count on.

I'm so proud! :) lol
Kate

katev17

01-21-03, 02:59 PM

Oh well, I was typing when you replied... too lazy to edit...lol

MisterSinister

01-21-03, 03:14 PM

Well i was just on his site and i dont think he breeds anything, it looks like he is a importer, so if he needed money that badly, im sure he could sell some of his snakes at cost or just above cost and i am sure people would buy them quickly if he sold them cheap enough and he still wouldnt take a loss. Just a few things to think about before asking for charity... Like you guys said if a snake misses a few meals, its not going to hurt it, so i think if he reduced some of his prices to just above his cost to move some animals to make some money for feeding it would be better then asking people to send him feeders. If the snakes ate last week they dont need to eat again for another 2, so there is plenty of time to reduce your prices and make some quick sales to purchase more feeders. This is just what i would do if i was in this situation. I am not knocking him, i have had bad times aswell, like everyone has, i am just offering him some solutions to his problem.

MisterSinister

01-21-03, 03:24 PM

I mean if he has 600 snakes, im sure he can afford to liquidate some at cost to make money for feeders. With 600 snakes in his possession he is alot more well off then the people who are offering to donate feeders to him for free. Boa Mania, sell off some animals at cost brother, people will definatly buy them. Its good that people are willing to help you, but there are ways to help yourself, without having to take anything from others. There could be a time when you need their help alot more then now, when you have alot of options to make money quickly.

marisa

01-21-03, 03:32 PM

Just like to point out that no matter what Boa Mania does for business....he NEVER said his snakes were starving. In fact he said it had been a week I believe. And if you think *any* snake, especially an adult is starving after a week it looks like you have more to learn than he. If push came to shove and times were bad I would have no problems making my adult snakes wait even 14 days to eat. It does not hurt them in any way, and a lot of keepers do this on purpose I have heard. (3 months once per week, then a couple weeks off)

He was asking for help. If that means you don't want to buy snakes from him, I am sure he doesn't mind. When it comes to asking for help its hard enough without people claming you are starving your snakes and won't buy from you. Time are hard now for everyone and will be much harder in the future.

Marisa

katev17

01-21-03, 03:34 PM

Okay , okay I say we just wait for a reply from him and see how he's handled his situation...

katev17

01-21-03, 03:37 PM

I agree, Marisa, nobody should be trying to make him feel bad, there's no point to it! But I think at least now MSinister realized he was mistaken and is trying to offer suggestions... but I still stick by that we should just wait and see how Boa maniac is doing!!! (We all ... most of us I guess... hope you're back on track, boa!!! GOOD LUCK! )

Kate

MisterSinister

01-21-03, 03:46 PM

SOrry guys, but all i am trying to say is its awfull to take things from people who are worse off then you are. The guys has 600 snakes in his possession and is without feeders. So someone who has a collection of 10 and pays full price for there feeders is supposed to give him feeders for free, when he has 600 snakes he could sell at cost and pay for his own??? I am all for helping people but charity when you run a business should be a last resort. When a business needs money they have a "sale" to bring in income. Im not trying to ruffle any feathers here, i love this site as much as the rest of you, the forums are for expressing opinions and my opinion is that a business should not take charity from people when they have "600" other ways to make money.

Alphonzo

01-21-03, 03:52 PM

Hey Boa Maniac,

It's a shame that you ran out of luck.

Hope things get better in the near future.

Whish I could help you with some mice or rats, but I live in the Netherlands.

Good luck and let us know how things are going.

marisa

01-21-03, 03:56 PM

You ever think thoug that maybe just MAYBE Boa Mania does have 600 snakes that oculd be sold but because they may or may not be in condition he would rather take the last resort and try and get some feeders as help rather than sell less than par animals? Selling one snake will not buy enough feeders to pay for even a week of food let alone a couple weeks. And maybe he doesn't have enough animals he feels confortable selling at this point.

Marisa

andrea

01-21-03, 03:58 PM

well if i was in canada i would definately buy a snake from him
i dont know, but someone who deals in something to do with a life gets my sympathy more. i think the sale is a good idea. with the mark up on some of these places, you could probably sale them above cost and still make a small profit and STILL sell them cheaper than most places. it is a good idea in my opinion. also, like i said before, if those people help him now, maybe he could do something for them later, like a snake at cost or even a freebee at some point.
too bad the shipping from canada to here would be waaaayyyy high.

marisa

01-21-03, 04:05 PM

I agree. Besides when a person is kind enough to lend a helping hand...later on it can come back to them tenfold in a wonderful way.

Marisa

katev17

01-21-03, 04:07 PM

What goes around, comes around! Too bad not more people go by this... the world might be a nicer place. Oh well! What can you do? As long as we just help out when we can and do our part when possible. Now as I've said before twiceeee...

Boa!!! We're really anxious to hear how you're doing! Please update us... Thanks!

Kate

tHeGiNo

01-21-03, 04:08 PM

LOL sinister I just read all your posts and you make me laugh, no offense or anything. I mean you refer to him as "less fortunate," he is not some bum of the street you know. He happened to run into a streak of bad luck, he couldn't have planned this. Like another member said, you don't understand his situation untill your in it yourself. I mean the poor guy reaches out to a community who you all say is "in it for the love of the animals." but apparently not. I mean, nevermind I am just going to end it there but think about it, put yourself in his exact situation before you slander his name, just think about it. That is all I have to said.

Hey boa I looked on kingsnake for the topic and I couldn't find it, I wanted to see the responses the certain individuals gave. Remeber I have 50 plus rat pups that are here waiting for you if you need them...

katev17

01-21-03, 04:14 PM

OOH! 50 rat pups? I'll have them! I don't have anything to eat tonight for supper and rat pups are my fave... mmm yummy! lol (J/k.. obviously.... *Cough*...)

andrea

01-21-03, 04:26 PM

kate, i have a gerbil in the freezer that my snakes wont eat that i got for free from the pet store and broke its neck if you want that, lol, smelled real nice too ;)

katev17

01-21-03, 04:32 PM

What?!? And you haven't eaten it yet! Mm... gerbils are the best ones... They go best with BBQ sauce :) :D

Ew... I'm sick...

Kate :rolleyes:

andrea

01-21-03, 04:39 PM

was saving it for mardi gras but you are welcome to it :D

katev17

01-21-03, 04:43 PM

Woohoo! Wow, thanks! :D I always knew I could depend on the kindness of others... of course since you were saving it for mardi gras I feel that I'd be taking something from you that you really wanted... consequently I think you should keep it and save it for mardi gras! HAVE FUN! lol (phew that was close...)

andrea

01-21-03, 04:44 PM

lol :D

MisterSinister

01-21-03, 04:53 PM

Gino, if you re read, i said "taking stuff from people who are less fortunate then him" If he has 600 snakes, thats over 20'000 dollars worth of animals, the people who are donating to him, probably dont have that much equity sitting in there pocket. If he cant keep up with buisness then he should sell animals instead of mooch, #1 lesson in running your own business is dont give up, once you have given up you lost everything. There are so many ways for him to make money back to buy food. Taking pitty from people isnt one of them.

katev17

01-21-03, 04:56 PM

Okay you're getting confused again... it's not that he can't keep up with the business, it's that he got ripped off 2200 dollars, his store floor collapsed, and he unexpectedly had to deal with this.

sSNAKESs.com

01-21-03, 05:07 PM

Ok guys, its getting a little out of hand... Mike is my friend and he needs to do something to get himself through this, but i dont think you guys bickering back and forth is going to help anybody! ;)

katev17

01-21-03, 05:21 PM

Okay, nuff said! :D All I want is to know how he's doing, do you by any chance know?? I really hope things worked out for him! :)

Kate.

dead bob

01-21-03, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by katev17
Okay you're getting confused again... it's not that he can't keep up with the business, it's that he got ripped off 2200 dollars, his store floor collapsed, and he unexpectedly had to deal with this.

Exactly. Most small businesses make just enough money to pay the bills and keep going. It takes on average 3-5 years for them to realize a profit. Without those two set backs, he obviously would have had the money to feed his snakes. In the world of small businesses, what he has experienced is a catastrophic event that some would fold because of.

teK_n9ine

01-21-03, 06:30 PM

out of curiosity, does anyone know if Boa Mania will be at the Feb. 9th reptile show in Miss. Ontario? I'm going to be looking for a blood python and know that they have some nice one so if they are going to be there they could possibly have a sale. Thanks

stormyva

01-21-03, 07:09 PM

I feel truly bad for Boa Maniac and his string of bad luck but I agree with Sinister in the fact that he is running a business and typically a business will liquidate some inventory to make up for short comings.
I would be interested to know if his loss was that wonderful investment oppurtunity that is going around by fax and email and what has become of his situation.

boa maniac

01-21-03, 09:31 PM

Well first I would like to thank everyone for their wonderful insights.

Mister sinister, I never once said that my snakes are starving, I just simply said, I had a string of bad luck come my way, and presently I am broke. I also said that, I dont have any feeders for all my animals, I am trying to build a sizable breeding stock of rodents, but that takes time to build. I have alot of younge snakes that need to be fed weekly, and I just ran out and now its almost two weeks since most of them last fed. And because some of my colubrids are extremely delicate this causes me to worry about them. And yes i do import and export alot of animals,( most if not all of the animals we import are captive born, and not wild caught) But I also, breed alot of animals, most of the Boa's I have are my own personal animals. Many are rare forms of boa constrictors. sure they can go months, but why would let you animals go that long with out food. I am okay, my good friend grant from port credit is gonna help me out in this time of need. I was really worried about where i was gonna get food for all the animals I have, this is why I went on kingsnake, because right now, there are so many uncertainties going on around me. I am trying to sell alot of animals, if you look at the classifieds I have been putting animals on sale, I have some really nice stuff for some really nice prices, like for instance I have some black milks that i produced that I am selling for what Mirdo sells them for at wholesale. All my animals i sell are in the best of condition. If you came to my store and seen the cages and rack systems I have in there you would be quite impressed. I am sorry if you think less of me because I went on kingsnake....... and asked for help, believe me I truly regret going on there. I began this post on here not to asked for help or mooch as you say, but to tell people on here about my present situation. Because I look at most people on here as my extended family. I have some very good friends on here as well so, I feel comfortable coming on here and sharing. So if someone on here decided to help me out then that is their choice. But i tell you it will be very much appreciated and just like someone already had said, "what goes around comes around."
As for the way I conduct my business affairs, we started this business on our own, and used all of our own monies to start it up, originally I was just into breeding boa's. And I wanted to collect all the different localities but because most of the more rare sub species were quite costly, I needed do something to fund my venture so here I am. But it wasnt just the fact that I needed to fund my boa projects, I also got into this business because I wanted to provide the public with a large selection of high quality animals. I also wanted to provide local pet store with quality animals. If you seen the animals that come out of places like Mirdo, you would be disgusted. Starting any business takes time, and I know with alot of hard work and determination I will succeed. I just got to roll with the punches. All I truly care about at this piont is, keeping my animals healthy. And like i said, Grant is gonna help right now, So everything is just fine.

thanx again everyone!!!

paul_le_snake

01-21-03, 09:35 PM

well..... i read the origina k i n g s n a k e post and it was far different from the post here!
mister sinister: good points.
kate17: why was he ripped off for 2000 from africa, it takes alot of time to get reputable contacts around the world not a few months.
the gino: boamania recently posted about underhand practices by london reptiles complaining that he lost out on what amounted to a quick profit, love of the animals..mmmmmmm
i'm not sayiong what happened is a good thing, i'd never wish that upon anyone. but things get easily overlooked when it comes down to the number one problem in this world.
perhaps its time to breed more animals rather than mass import them.
respect is earned, not taken
cheers
paul
do we really need that many imported animals? just because we can do it doesn't mean its a good thing.

MisterSinister

01-21-03, 09:46 PM

Boa Mania, i have seen you selling some snakes in the classifieds for regular or slightly cheaper prices, but if you truly needed money to buy feeders you would be selling them AT COST and at all costs to get that money so you can support your own business. Asking for charity when you still have a ton of options at getting the money to feed your stock is just not acceptable for any company to do. You have 600 snakes and you need donations to feed them, it is not hard to see what has to be done is snakes need to be sold at any prices as long as your not losing to buy food to feed them, and dont think about 1 feeding you need to alleviate enough snakes at whatever price it takes to feed your snakes for at least 1 month or this is just going to happen again. Try not to take it as a attack i am trying to help you.

CraziBlonde

01-21-03, 09:55 PM

hey, I am a student working ona project for Biology...can someone help me with some things for Colombian Rainbow boas?
I need to know what the monthly estimate for keeping one would be and care issues (high/low maintainance) also a good source of med. care if needed....any add. info would be GREAT....can ya help???

boa maniac

01-21-03, 10:08 PM

Mrsinister,

In about a months time we will have a large enough colony of rodents that will sustain all our animals. I understand what you are saying about selling the animals at cost. And basically we are selling alot of animals at cost. for instance many of the animals that we have for sale were purchased from breeders in the states. Now when you take into consideration that there is the cost of cites paper work which cost 200 Us dollars then the cost of shipping and then the taxes payed to customs you basically have to sell the animals at cost. I am not in this business to get rich, never once did i think about getting into it to get rich. I am doing something that I enjoy doing it. I enjoy spending everyday with over 600 snakes, its awsome to go there and check on each one, and see all the different personalities and behaviors of so many different species of snakes. I am constantly, checking each individual animal. Sometimes I spend hours just admiring them all. I love this work that I do. I held many different positions in life in different work environments, but nothing was found to be more awarding then when I started caring for so many different animals.