View Full Version : Stunning Albino Savannah Monitor.
infernalis
08-04-12, 07:17 AM
With kind permission to use the photos, I would like to show you this stunning animal in the U.K.
Baby pictures..
http://www.savannahmonitor.co/Albino/1.jpg
http://www.savannahmonitor.co/Albino/2.jpg
http://www.savannahmonitor.co/Albino/3.jpg
http://www.savannahmonitor.co/Albino/4.jpg
All grown up.
http://www.savannahmonitor.co/Albino/5.jpg
http://www.savannahmonitor.co/Albino/6.jpg
http://www.savannahmonitor.co/Albino/7.jpg
Akuma223
08-04-12, 07:38 AM
Wow thats a stunning lizard! Has any effort been made to breed albino Savannahs because I would buy one in a heartbeat!
infernalis
08-04-12, 07:52 AM
Yes, there is a breeding project right here in N.Y. going on...
moshirimon
08-04-12, 08:16 AM
Beautiful. The eyes especially. I love the red iris but black pupil.
alessia55
08-04-12, 10:35 AM
That is one fantastic animal. How old is she?
infernalis
08-04-12, 10:46 AM
That is one fantastic animal. How old is she?
a year and a half.
Stunning Savannah...I love the look of the eyes.
snake man12
08-04-12, 11:23 AM
A beautiful reptile
Pirarucu
08-04-12, 11:42 AM
Very pretty. I think it's more than just an albino, seems like it's missing more than just the black pigment. I don't see any yellow either.
AjaMichelle
08-04-12, 11:45 AM
Gorgeous!!! :) what a lucky girl!
UwabamiReptiles
08-04-12, 06:32 PM
Thats a really pretty monitor
Aaron_S
08-04-12, 06:34 PM
Very pretty. I think it's more than just an albino, seems like it's missing more than just the black pigment. I don't see any yellow either.
It's got yellow all over it's face as a baby....
infernalis
08-04-12, 06:35 PM
And the brownish red saddles are still there where the spots would be.
Gregg M
08-05-12, 06:32 AM
I only see one problem with that particular animal. ITS TOO CLEAN. It is not even slightly dirty or even discolored on its underbelly. That tells me it is not being housed correctly. Unfortunately, I do not see that animal ever reproducing. That is a shame. Most times, awesome animals like this end up in the wrong hands and the project dies with the animal.
Pirarucu
08-05-12, 06:37 AM
It's got yellow all over it's face as a baby....Yes, but plenty of other morphs change as they mature.. I stand by what I said, it has too little color to be just amelanistic. The only pigmentation I see is the red.
Pirarucu
08-05-12, 06:40 AM
I only see one problem with that particular animal. ITS TOO CLEAN. It is not even slightly dirty or even discolored on its underbelly. That tells me it is not being housed correctly. Unfortunately, I do not see that animal ever reproducing. That is a shame. Most times, awesome animals like this end up in the wrong hands and the project dies with the animal.I would very much like to ask what conditions it's being kept in as well. They may have waited until it shed and given it a bath for the photoshoot, so they could be given the benefit of the doubt.
Gregg M
08-05-12, 06:58 AM
They may have waited until it shed and given it a bath for the photoshoot, so they could be given the benefit of the doubt.
That sounds like this could be the senario IF it was not a varanid. Varanids do not shed like most other reptiles. They shed on different parts of their bodies at different times.
No amout of bathing and scrubbing will take off dirt and staining on a normal colored animal. It would be even worse on an albino. Trust me, I know because we are working with one. She is filthy.
infernalis
08-05-12, 07:10 AM
I only see one problem with that particular animal. ITS TOO CLEAN. It is not even slightly dirty or even discolored on its underbelly. That tells me it is not being housed correctly. Unfortunately, I do not see that animal ever reproducing. That is a shame. Most times, awesome animals like this end up in the wrong hands and the project dies with the animal.
That sounds like this could be the senario IF it was not a varanid. Varanids do not shed like most other reptiles. They shed on different parts of their bodies at different times.
No amout of bathing and scrubbing will take off dirt and staining on a normal colored animal. It would be even worse on an albino. Trust me, I know because we are working with one. She is filthy.
Yep, I hear ya...
Pirarucu
08-05-12, 08:37 AM
That sounds like this could be the senario IF it was not a varanid. Varanids do not shed like most other reptiles. They shed on different parts of their bodies at different times.
No amout of bathing and scrubbing will take off dirt and staining on a normal colored animal. It would be even worse on an albino. Trust me, I know because we are working with one. She is filthy.I'm not saying I trust that they are keeping it properly, I'm simply playing devil's advocate here. Once it started shedding, could they not have moved it into an enclosure where it would stay clean until it finished shedding, taken the photos, and put it back into a proper enclosure? Again, I don't think that's the case, I'm just wondering if they could have.
Whose animal is that Wayne?
infernalis
08-05-12, 08:49 AM
I'm not saying I trust that they are keeping it properly, I'm simply playing devil's advocate here. Once it started shedding, could they not have moved it into an enclosure where it would stay clean until it finished shedding, taken the photos, and put it back into a proper enclosure? Again, I don't think that's the case, I'm just wondering if they could have.
It's almost impossible to do that, these lizards are almost constantly losing bits here and bits there when shedding, it would have to be kept away from any dirt for weeks to be that clean.
Pirarucu
08-05-12, 08:52 AM
It's almost impossible to do that, these lizards are almost constantly losing bits here and bits there when shedding, it would have to be kept away from any dirt for weeks to be that clean.That's what I was thinking. It could be possible, but it would be unhealthy for the animal and I can't think of a justifiable reason to do it.
Pirarucu
08-05-12, 08:53 AM
Whose animal is that Wayne?It belongs to Crystal Palace Reptiles.
Gregg M
08-05-12, 09:36 AM
That's what I was thinking. It could be possible, but it would be unhealthy for the animal and I can't think of a justifiable reason to do it.
Thats what I am talking about. To keep that animal in sub-par conditions for any length of time (would be more along the lines of months, not weeks) for the sake of a photo is unacceptable. For the animal to be that clean, I am NOT going out on a limb or guessing when I say that animal has never been in a proper set up.
Like I said, it is a shame that this animal will most likely never go on to reproduce. If it does, thats great but I highly doubt it.
FangsAnarchy
08-05-12, 09:49 AM
They could have photoshopped the dirt out... I mean humans do it with pimples
Gregg M
08-05-12, 10:16 AM
They could have photoshopped the dirt out... I mean humans do it with pimples
You can not be serious?
varanus_mad
08-05-12, 10:56 AM
I only see one problem with that particular animal. ITS TOO CLEAN. It is not even slightly dirty or even discolored on its underbelly. That tells me it is not being housed correctly. Unfortunately, I do not see that animal ever reproducing. That is a shame. Most times, awesome animals like this end up in the wrong hands and the project dies with the animal.
Funnily enough gregg those are my concerns to.
The chaps who have it are very passionate about teps in general... But monitor aint reps in general
infernalis
08-05-12, 11:48 AM
But monitor aint reps in general
Sadly, I could count the number of people who realize this on my fingers and toes.
That's a beautiful animal!! Very nice!
Drgnfly2265
08-05-12, 12:11 PM
Wow, beautiful!
varanus_mad
08-05-12, 01:29 PM
Yes, but plenty of other morphs change as they mature.. I stand by what I said, it has too little color to be just amelanistic. The only pigmentation I see is the red.
Yellows in monitors dont show up well especially pale yellows if you get a chabce look at a pic of an argus monitor then see that argus in the flesh big difference bet you anything its the same with that bosc
Aaron_S
08-05-12, 01:33 PM
How about everyone instead of just making observation off pics why not e-mail the owners or check their site or do some research on the animal...
Nothing on their website about it, unfortunately
beardeds4life
08-05-12, 02:20 PM
Who are the owners?
Crystal Palace Reptiles over in London.
Gregg M
08-05-12, 02:56 PM
How about everyone instead of just making observation off pics why not e-mail the owners or check their site or do some research on the animal...
Pictures are worth a thousand words. In this instance, it is easy to see the story.
Aaron_S
08-05-12, 07:13 PM
Pictures are worth a thousand words. In this instance, it is easy to see the story.
Great. Fantastic.
Go look at my hypo mojave pictures. Tell me what that story says. Essentially you'd be calling me a really bad keeper....
infernalis
08-05-12, 07:44 PM
I have asked the owner, still waiting on a reply.
KORBIN5895
08-05-12, 08:24 PM
I only see one problem with that particular animal. ITS TOO CLEAN. It is not even slightly dirty or even discolored on its underbelly. That tells me it is not being housed correctly. Unfortunately, I do not see that animal ever reproducing. That is a shame. Most times, awesome animals like this end up in the wrong hands and the project dies with the animal.
Didn't you keep a sav for 18 years on newspaper?
Gregg M
08-05-12, 09:22 PM
Great. Fantastic.
Go look at my hypo mojave pictures. Tell me what that story says. Essentially you'd be calling me a really bad keeper....
Dude, we are talking about a varanid that needs pretty spacific husbandry in order to live a healthy life, not a ball python. You can not compare the hubandry needs of a Savannah with that of a ball python. Savannahs need deep dirt substrates. If you are keeping them correctly, they should be filthy looking. It is impossible to have one that clean looking if it is being kept properly.
If you kept monitors like you do a ball python, I would call you a bad keeper. If you kept your ball python like a ball python, you would be a good keeper. Anyway, lets try not to get all insulted and defensive an make this about you and your balls. Its about savannah monitors.
Didn't you keep a sav for 18 years on newspaper?
No, its first few years of life were spent in sub-par conditions (a litte more than a quarter), not its entire life. And that was long before we knew what we know now about varanid husbandry.
Aaron_S
08-05-12, 10:11 PM
Actually Gregg my point has nothing to do with species but to do with the fact you're making up your own story based on a few pictures. It has nothing to do with my keeping of my ball pythons. If you look at my pictures I am referring to you'd see a 1200 gram snake in a shoe box with nothing but a couple scraps of bedding.
I've seen savs, sold them while I worked in various pet shops and never saw one necessarily clean. I get your point but MY point is not to pass judgement until you know all the facts.
I'll say it again since you missed the point in my previous post. My analogy has nothing to do with myself and MY snakes inherently other than to prove a point that there could be more to a picture. A picture may be worth a thousand words but you should never judge a book by it's cover.
Gregg M
08-06-12, 12:02 AM
So tell me Aaron,
If that animal was being kept in a cage with dirt as a substrate, how could it be so clean and spotless? The FACT is, it could not be clean and spotless if it were kept in a cage with soil as a substrate. There is not even a hint of dirt or staining from dirt on that animal. The only way that animal can remain that clean is if it is being kept on an unacceptable substrate that does not provide that animal with what it needs. Those are facts Aaron. Any other experienced varanid owner would agree 100%. You are obviously and experienced keeper but it seems you have little to no experience with properly set up varanids. Not taking a shot. just telling you how it seems.
charlesc84
08-06-12, 01:43 AM
I don't understand why it's so hard to imagine that they just cleaned the animal off before taking the photos.
Also, it's entirely possible that the photos are edited. Professional photographers edit their photos, it's not an odd or uncommon practice.
KORBIN5895
08-06-12, 05:05 AM
Thanks for clarifying Greg. I wasn't sure and couldn't remember the whole story.
Gregg M
08-06-12, 06:28 AM
I don't understand why it's so hard to imagine that they just cleaned the animal off before taking the photos.
Because, again, as I stated, there would be no possible way to get it that clean. Soil stains and shedding in varanids is not on full peice like it is with snakes and other lizards. I can take a couple of months for a varanids to completely shed out. So, the parts that already shed would be dirt stained way before the last bit of skin flakes off. Get it?
Also, it's entirely possible that the photos are edited. Professional photographers edit their photos, it's not an odd or uncommon practice.
Well now if that is the case, then that is not a true re[resentation of the animals. Not as bad as keeping the animal incorrectly but still not a good thing.
Thanks for clarifying Greg. I wasn't sure and couldn't remember the whole story.
Any time dude.
Any word yet from them Wayne?
Aaron_S
08-06-12, 06:29 AM
So tell me Aaron,
If that animal was being kept in a cage with dirt as a substrate, how could it be so clean and spotless? The FACT is, it could not be clean and spotless if it were kept in a cage with soil as a substrate. There is not even a hint of dirt or staining from dirt on that animal. The only way that animal can remain that clean is if it is being kept on an unacceptable substrate that does not provide that animal with what it needs. Those are facts Aaron. Any other experienced varanid owner would agree 100%. You are obviously and experienced keeper but it seems you have little to no experience with properly set up varanids. Not taking a shot. just telling you how it seems.
The FACT is you still don't know the whole story. I'm not entirely in disagreement with you as I've stated. It IS kind of odd. I just don't like people condemning someone until they actually know FOR SURE. Innocent until proven guilty is that not how your country works?
infernalis
08-06-12, 07:07 AM
Any word yet from them Wayne?
No Gregg, just one post from a well intended person who suggested it was scrubbed with a toothbrush.:wacky:
StudentoReptile
08-06-12, 08:29 AM
As a graphic designer with more than a intermediate experience with photo-editing/manipulation, I can say it would be difficult to try and "photoshop" the animal clean. A lot different than a human, which in comparison, has smooth, featureless skin. We talking about editing out flakes of dead skin, spots of discoloration on an animal that has some form of ordered scalation. All but the most skilled photo-editer would make mistakes and the result would be obvious; i.e. it would be readily apparent that the photo was edited.
And the amount of time to "clean up" the image would take a heck of lot longer than simply scrubbing the lizard cleaning and manually removing any flakes of stuck shed skin (not something I or any varanid expert would recommend).
In my professional opinion, the photos do not look "photoshopped" or edited, other than perhaps simply slight changes to brightness/contrast to the entire image as a whole, as well as the watermark. The animal is indeed what you see.
helen davis
08-06-12, 01:11 PM
awww... very cute
Yes, there is a breeding project right here in N.Y. going on...
What can you tell us about the ongoing project in NY? Who is doing that project and how many animals involved?
infernalis
08-06-12, 05:46 PM
What can you tell us about the ongoing project in NY? Who is doing that project and how many animals involved?
You can ask Gregg yourself right here... http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/varanid/90836-cool-savannah.html
You can ask Gregg yourself right here... http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/varanid/90836-cool-savannah.html
Oh. I thought you meant more animals like the specimen this thread is about.
Gregg's animal is a stunner also, though!
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