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RobsCornField

07-15-12, 06:29 PM

I noticed the forum has a significant lack of 100-Flower Rats, aka Othriophis Moellendorffi. So I though I'd remedy that.

Here's Speed, my male:

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii611/RobbiesCornField/013.jpg

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii611/RobbiesCornField/008.jpg

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii611/RobbiesCornField/006.jpg

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii611/RobbiesCornField/007.jpg

And Trixie, my female:

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii611/RobbiesCornField/9aca8956.jpg

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii611/RobbiesCornField/Trixiesize.jpg

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/392452_388210834530686_497445269_n.jpg

Thanks for looking!

UwabamiReptiles

07-15-12, 07:33 PM

RobsCornField

07-15-12, 07:49 PM

Beautiful 100 flower ratsnakes! These guys aren't seen that often. If you don't mind, could you elaborate on your experiences with these guys. Like husbandry, temperment, and why we don't too many of these around.

Thanks, and I'd be glad to!

Sadly, most of the specimens that were coming in to the US were fresh imports that had gone weeks without water, food, etc, and were incredibly stressed and malnourished. As a result of that, most people received animals that died within a few weeks of arrival. They got a horrible reputation because of this, and people stopped trying.

I purchased mine as a CBB pair about a year ago. They have been some of the most awesome snakes I've ever had! The advice that I received from the breeder was to "keep them like cornsnakes". I was a bit hesitant, and tweaked that formula a bit. I keep my cornsnakes in the mid 80*F range, but these guys seem to thrive at around 75*F. I've also noticed that they can be temperamental, and go off feed if they don't get their way. I had moved my female into a glass tank with a few branches and vines (same setup as my male), and she HATED it. She went off feed for about 6 weeks before I switched her back into the tub. After going back, she ate the next day. These guys are feeding on f/t, and they seem to prefer multiple prey items over larger. They're on 2 hoppers/week at the moment, but are about to get bumped up to 3.

As far as temperament goes, it really depends on the day. Lol. My female tends to be calmer overall (like in the picture of her coiled up in my hand), but if she's not in the mood, there's all kinds of tail rattling going on. When they rattle, it's not like corns where it's just the tip of the tail, it's the WHOLE ORANGE END of the tail, so it sounds more like an old prop plane trying to take off than a little rattlesnake. :rolleyes:

alessia55

07-15-12, 09:09 PM

Those are amazing. Thanks for sharing those pics... How old are they? How much larger will they get? Have you bred them yet? or do you plan to? How much do they sell for?

RobsCornField

07-16-12, 06:56 AM

Those are amazing. Thanks for sharing those pics... How old are they? How much larger will they get? Have you bred them yet? or do you plan to? How much do they sell for?

Thank you! I do plan on breeding when they're of age not this coming year, but the year after. The largest specimens have reached close to, if not just over, 8 feet. These guys are almost two years old. During their first year, they grow VERY slowly due to being incredibly finicky eaters. It's during the second year that their growth really starts taking off.

You can see CBB specimens going for anywhere from $250 for normals to $600 for normals het hypo, and hypos usually start around $1200. My pair is het hypo, so I'm looking forward to proving that out in a couple of years. :)

StudentoReptile

07-16-12, 07:41 AM

Thanks for sharing. Always a treat to see pics of obscure Old World colubrids!

marvelfreak

07-16-12, 08:23 AM

Beautiful snakes. I never seen these before.

UwabamiReptiles

07-16-12, 09:27 AM

Thanks, and I'd be glad to!

Sadly, most of the specimens that were coming in to the US were fresh imports that had gone weeks without water, food, etc, and were incredibly stressed and malnourished. As a result of that, most people received animals that died within a few weeks of arrival. They got a horrible reputation because of this, and people stopped trying.

I purchased mine as a CBB pair about a year ago. They have been some of the most awesome snakes I've ever had! The advice that I received from the breeder was to "keep them like cornsnakes". I was a bit hesitant, and tweaked that formula a bit. I keep my cornsnakes in the mid 80*F range, but these guys seem to thrive at around 75*F. I've also noticed that they can be temperamental, and go off feed if they don't get their way. I had moved my female into a glass tank with a few branches and vines (same setup as my male), and she HATED it. She went off feed for about 6 weeks before I switched her back into the tub. After going back, she ate the next day. These guys are feeding on f/t, and they seem to prefer multiple prey items over larger. They're on 2 hoppers/week at the moment, but are about to get bumped up to 3.

As far as temperament goes, it really depends on the day. Lol. My female tends to be calmer overall (like in the picture of her coiled up in my hand), but if she's not in the mood, there's all kinds of tail rattling going on. When they rattle, it's not like corns where it's just the tip of the tail, it's the WHOLE ORANGE END of the tail, so it sounds more like an old prop plane trying to take off than a little rattlesnake. :rolleyes:

Thanks for the info. These guys are really cool. Het hypos, did you get these guys at the Daytona show last year? I remember seeing a table that had het hypos for sale. I really didn't give them a second look though because I thought they were harder to take care of.

Donnie

07-16-12, 03:25 PM

Very nice :) thanks for sharing

RobsCornField

07-16-12, 04:26 PM

Thanks for the info. These guys are really cool. Het hypos, did you get these guys at the Daytona show last year? I remember seeing a table that had het hypos for sale. I really didn't give them a second look though because I thought they were harder to take care of.

Actually, I did! Lol. CBB anything is going to be a lot easier to keep than WC anything.

Thanks for sharing. Always a treat to see pics of obscure Old World colubrids!

I'm hoping to make them a bit less obscure in the years to come. :)

Norm66

07-17-12, 06:02 AM

Drop dead gorgeous animals. Thanks for sharing. :)

MoreliAddict

07-17-12, 07:25 AM

Never seen these, thanks for sharing.

andybe18

07-24-12, 03:46 PM

Stunners Rob - yet another asian rat that's on my wish list (bigger house just above on the list though!)

Jlassiter

07-24-12, 07:05 PM

Aaron_S

07-24-12, 10:17 PM

I don't know the actual poster but I'm going to suggest that maybe you just read the post wrong. They said they keep it in the "range" of those temperatures. Not necessarily just a constant temperature.

I could very well be wrong too but just food for thought.

Also, spectacular animals. I have not seen those around for quite some time.

RobsCornField

07-25-12, 07:03 AM

Rob....
Why not provide a thermal gradient so the moellemdorffi can chose their temps at any given time?
Why force them to a constant 75F and your corns to a constant 80F?

Why not room temp (72F) for the snake room with hot spots of (90F) so the snakes have choices?

Another choice to provide is a humidity gradient..............

I don't know the actual poster but I'm going to suggest that maybe you just read the post wrong. They said they keep it in the "range" of those temperatures. Not necessarily just a constant temperature.

I could very well be wrong too but just food for thought.

Also, spectacular animals. I have not seen those around for quite some time.

Thank you, Aaron.

Jlassiter, yes, I do provide a gradient. That gradient has been adjusted as I've monitored their behavior changes to different temperatures. I don't "force" anything to stay at one temperature. My racks have heat in the back to provide the gradient between the back and the front. My tanks have UTH's on one third to provide a gradient across the tank. "mid 80*F range" means around 80*-85* for my corns, my boas are around 84-92*, my sand boas have hot spots up to 95*. The ambient temperature of my home is 73*. That's the beauty of individual heat sources: they can be tweaked as needed to provide optimal care to each animal. If I notice a corn spending all of it's time in the hot spot, I'll bump it up a degree or two so that the specific animal feels more comfortable. One hide box in each tank is a "humid" hide, with a moist moss substrate that they can utilize when they choose.

Please don't make assumptions about my husbandry without knowing me.

Jlassiter

07-25-12, 09:46 AM

Oh...Okay...No biggie...

Gorgeous Moellendorffii

Jason_Hood

09-05-12, 01:47 PM

RobsCornField

09-06-12, 10:28 PM

Gorgeous animals!! Have you noticed them to need a more humid cage than corns? I have read that they need wet hides but I wondered if that was something to do with the imports being dehydrated coming in.

Jason

Hey Jason! Neither of mine really ever gravitate towards the humid segments of their tank. The only time they ever really go there is when they go in to shed. That being said, though, I did recently decide it'd be a fun little experiment to plant the male's tank (live plants, bioactive substrate and whatnot), and he loves it. I've seen him burrowing, climbing, "playing", etc. He uses every square inch of that tank, and I've seen him hiding and sleeping all over the place, so I'm more certain that he's comfortable in there, given that he's not all scrunched up in a corner.

*Don't Mind Me*

09-06-12, 11:13 PM

Stunning Snakes

Jason_Hood

09-06-12, 11:30 PM

Sounds awesome!! Would love to see pics!!!

Jason

h3h

09-07-12, 12:22 AM

Stellar, thanks for sharing!

- h3

mark24

09-07-12, 12:26 AM

Gorgeous snakes thanks for sharing

RobsCornField

09-07-12, 10:11 PM

Thanks everyone!

Jason, here's a couple shots of his current viv. He's getting ready to get bumped up into a 30 gallon planted viv.

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii611/RobbiesCornField/139.jpg

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii611/RobbiesCornField/138.jpg

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii611/RobbiesCornField/003-1.jpg

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii611/RobbiesCornField/010-1.jpg

Jason_Hood

09-08-12, 12:41 PM

Gorgeous!!! I need to pick some up this season!!

Jason

Jlassiter

09-08-12, 04:04 PM

Nice snake and setup.

rmfsnakes32

09-09-12, 12:39 AM

Very cool I had never even heard of them until I saw your thread thanks for sharing and teaching us something new! :)

Jlassiter

09-09-12, 01:01 AM

Rob,
Have you seen the "patternless" moellendorffi?

RobsCornField

09-09-12, 04:29 PM

Rob,
Have you seen the "patternless" moellendorffi?

YES! And I want one VERY badly! Haha! Was it ever proven as genetic?

Jlassiter

09-09-12, 07:00 PM

Jlassiter

09-09-12, 07:04 PM

Another one:
http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy254/Gerardzs/ee4f5414.jpg

And the mother:
Not no buddy's photo though.....The tub is nasty....
http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy254/Gerardzs/dfdb1ba9.jpg

mark24

09-09-12, 07:56 PM

Rob how much do those snakes go for??

RobsCornField

09-09-12, 10:35 PM

Yes I believe it has.
The initial female produced more of them.
My buddy down in Miami has some offspring from her that are patternless...but have some slight areas of pattern.....

Here's a photo of one of the offspring:
http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy254/Gerardzs/ca8c3313.jpg

Hmmm. That looks like a female Ben Siegel had up for sale a little bit ago. I called 2 minutes after the store closed, and they wouldn't answer. When I called back again in the morning (when they opened), they were already closed. If it's the same one, good steal for your buddy!

Rob how much do those snakes go for??

I forget how much I paid for my pair, but I believe it was in the range of $750 for the pair. W/c will be MUCH less expensive (I've seen them for as low as $100), but you get what you pay for, and a LOT of the imports wind up dying. I didn't want to risk that with a species I've wanted for so long, so I saved up and bought CB.

mark24

09-09-12, 10:49 PM

h3h

09-10-12, 07:46 AM

These two look incredible!

- h3

RobsCornField

09-10-12, 10:54 PM

750 isn't that bad for a pair i want get one. They are gorgeous animals, I love their eyes haha. I'd definitely pay more for a heathly snake, then pay for a snake that could die in a couple months or something.

I gotta say, picking up this pair has been probably the best money I've ever spent on any snake.

These two look incredible!

- h3

Thank you!

h3h

10-01-12, 04:54 PM

I have to bump this, I really liked these pictures, are there anymore to boot?

Cheers!

- h3

Kingsnakechris

10-01-12, 05:57 PM

Wow, those are some very nice looking snakes! Thanks for sharing!

RobsCornField

10-01-12, 09:46 PM

I have to bump this, I really liked these pictures, are there anymore to boot?

Cheers!

- h3

Haha! I'll try and get some more in a couple days. These guys just fed today, so they're resting and digesting. I'm glad you liked them! :D