Question about names

[Alphonzo]

Can you help me?
I read all kind of common names in this forum.

Black blood
Borneo blood
Banka blood
Blood
etc.

Can anyone tell me what are the Latin names for all these common names.
In the Netherlands we use the Latin names, si it is not that easy to know which species you exactly mean.
If it is Python curtus, or Python brongersmai or Python breitensteini.
(Or P. curtus curtus, P. curtus breitensteini or P. curtus brongersmai - when you look at them as three subspecies).
Who can help me out?

[Jezabel]

Black blood: Python curtus curtus
Borneo blood: Python curtus breitensteini
Blood, red blood, sumatran or malaisian red blood, banka blood: Python curtus brongersmai (the sumatran, malaisian or banka is only their locality)

They where clasified as subspecies before but someone sugest that it has been change and they're now Python curtus, Python brongersmai and Python breitensteini as they're own species.

[Alphonzo]

Thanks Jezabel,

but please look at these data:

Python curtus
Indonesia (Sumatra, Borneo, Bangka),
Thailand (incl. Phuket), W Malaysia,
Singapore; Vietnam

Python brongersmai
Sumatra, Thailand

Python breitensteini
Indonesia (Kalimantan), Malaysia (East Malaysia); Singapore


I have them from EMBL (http://www.embl-heidelberg.de/~uetz/families/Boidae.html)

According to this your list is not right. Look at the countries.
For example... On Banka lives Python curtus and not Python brongesmai.
And there are more differences.

Do you understand why I am confused.

The Database from EMBL is considered to be accurate and trustworthy.

Which truth is the true truth?

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[Pythonian]

Maybe the list you provided is before they changed the names... if i'm not mistaken tey recently did that like maybe a year ago.

Mike

[Jezabel]

I don't think the list is right cause the 2 more popular kind of red blood or Python brongersmai is sumatran and malasian (and malaisian is not on your list) There is also sarawak blood witch is a locatity of borneo. I don't know much about their contry but you ask for comon name.

I also don't know much about banka blood but Grant has some, look at his website: http://www.bloodredwithenvy.com

This reserch, that confirm the name and locality, is interesting and the more complete I've read (you need acrobat reader to read it)

http://linnaeus.bio.usyd.edu.au/Shinelab/shine/reprints/295.pdf

The barker also confirm it on their website www.vpi.com

Hope this help, it is confusing!

[Grant vg]

It seems like they are still refering to python curtus as all three sub-species, and have not completely updated those pages.
They have python curtus, which is now considered solely as the "black blood" spanning east to west and north to south of southeast asia. Which in my mind, is not the case.
Near the bottom of that page, they mention how breitensteini and brongersmai are no longer seen as just ssp.
And unlike, the curtus page, they give minimul information on the brongersmai and brientensteini pages.

I wouldn't say all they're information is faulty, but i wouldn't say its too precise either.

"Python brongersmai
Sumatra, Thailand"

We all know, brongersmai is located in parts of sumatra, as well as west-malaysia and the bangka islands, which is just south of singapore. Why they havn't included these last two, im not sure. however, they have included thailand, which is connected to the norther part of West-malaysia, which means brongersmai very well could have made they're way north. But again, why they havn't included all this doesn't make sense.
Especially when the exporting areas are located in Penang and other main ports of western malaysia.


"Python breitensteini
Indonesia (Kalimantan), Malaysia (East Malaysia); Singapore "

Here they are a little more acurate. "Kalimantan" is located on the Island of Borneo, which is part of indo.
East malaysia, is considered Sarawak and Sabah, so again, this is correct.
Not sure why they have included Singapore, as that is part of West-malaysia, but with this species, anything is posssible i guess...lol

I think in order for EMBL to be correct and be considered trustworthy info, they must redo they're pages and make 3 well explained pages for each species.
Thats what my site is for....lol. :p

If theres ever something bothering any of you that you would like to see more info about, etc...let me know, ill try to research the best i can and put it up on my site.
Any ideas are welcomed! :D

Heres a couple maps that might be of interest to you.
As you can see, Both indo and malysia is split up in a few parts, confusing the matter further.



http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/5southeastasia.gif
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/5indonesi.gif

[Grant vg]

I wouldn't rule out that breitensteini doesn't thrive in west-malaysia, etc... as with other species thriving in other known specie localities, its a matter of where the dense populations occur as well as the areas of exporting that matter most to me. and the pet trade.
IMO.

[Alphonzo]

On the EMBL database they refer to these snakes as three different species (curtus, breitensteini and brongersmai)
For as far as I know they are up to date. Take a look at it.


EMBL-Database (http://www.embl-heidelberg.de/~uetz/families/Boidae.html)

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