Rescue Mission

[C#@$e]

I was recently told of a guy that wanted to get rid of his apricot phase pueblan with no re-homing fee. Me being a fan of the Bread, I went to check it out. The snake had no lighting, no water, and bedding that looked like it hadn't been changed in months. On top of all the visible problems the snake was evidently three years old and is about the size of a 1-year. this is my first "rescue" and i was looking for advice to get him back on a good feeding schedule and help getting him a bit more docile.

[Wildside]

Good husbandry goes a long way in getting them on the right track. If you post a pic I might be able to help you more.

[Jlassiter]

Glad you are getting it....but lampropeltis need NO lighting whatsoever.
Lighting will dehydrate a lampropeltis.

Just set up a good temperature and humidity gradient with numerous hides (Deep Aspen is best IMHO) and feed it at least once a week....more if you see it on the cool side of the enclosure.

[infernalis]

Luckily, milks are slow growers, give it proper care and all should be well.

[C#@$e]

yeah i just feed it 10 minutes ago ill take a pic of it now in the rubber mate

[KORBIN5895]

Whoopee... another "rescue" that just turned into an epic fail.

[Jay]

Whoopee... another "rescue" that just turned into an epic fail.

I wouldn't say epic, but certainly a fail...

[Wildside]

How did this rescue turn into a fail?

I mean I see where it probably wasn't actually a "rescue" but I certainly don't think it's crossed the threshold of fail yet.

[KORBIN5895]

@ op what was so evident that makes you believe it is three years old?

@wildside
what makes this a fail Is the fact that it is being placed in improper husbandry. False rescues is a personal pet peeve of mine.

[Wildside]

@ op what was so evident that makes you believe it is three years old?

@wildside
what makes this a fail Is the fact that it is being placed in improper husbandry. False rescues is a personal pet peeve of mine.

But how do you know the husbandry is improper? As far as I can tell he hasn't said a word about how the snake is being kept, other than "It's in the rubber now mate". For all I know he could've stuck it inside a condom, but I'm gonna auto-assume that's not what he did and guess that rubber = tote. I realize most totes are made of plastic, some of which are manufactured by Rubbermaid. Upon arriving at that conclusion, many people keeps their snakes in totes. I still don't see the problem :suspicious:

[KORBIN5895]

I was recently told of a guy that wanted to get rid of his apricot phase pueblan with no re-homing fee. Me being a fan of the Bread, I went to check it out. The snake had no lighting, no water, and bedding that looked like it hadn't been changed in months. On top of all the visible problems the snake was evidently three years old and is about the size of a 1-year. this is my first "rescue" and i was looking for advice to get him back on a good feeding schedule and help getting him a bit more docile.

Glad you are getting it....but lampropeltis need NO lighting whatsoever.
Lighting will dehydrate a lampropeltis.

Just set up a good temperature and humidity gradient with numerous hides (Deep Aspen is best IMHO) and feed it at least once a week....more if you see it on the cool side of the enclosure.
2+2=4. The picked this up with improper husbandry in mind. To me that's like rescuing an alligator and putting it in your outhouse.

[Wildside]

2+2=4. The picked this up with improper husbandry in mind. To me that's like rescuing an alligator and putting it in your outhouse.

That is still not indicative of improper husbandry. I can't think right off the top of my head of any snakes that do require lighting. Also I'd like for alessia to clarify exactly what she meant... Will all lighting dehydrate this species? I never had any trouble when keeping a light in the enclosure. Of course I provide a sweatbox and access water at all times not to mention a hide and enough substrate to burrow in if desired. I think a lot people don't realize that lighting is an option when it comes to snakes.

[KORBIN5895]

Please qualify your last sentence before someone with lots of stupid in their head gets any ideas.

[Jlassiter]

Since many people are using Rubbermaids, Sterlites, Aquariums I recommend NO lighting....

Unless you are using subfloor drawer caging like the Applegate Enclosures I use....providing many options is optimal....heat, cold, dark, light, damp, dry and COMBINATIONS of each is optimal.....A snake that has choices will show you what it wants and when. Like when to feed instead of feeding on the keeper's schedule.......Typically when a snake has jammed itself into a very tight area it is not hiding from would be predators (or you) it is protecting itself...You see the more of its surface area a lampro can protect the slower it will dehydrate.
This scenario is scene mainly when lighting is used. An optimal thermal gradient is achievable with back heat and a thick substrate....that way the substrate will act as an insulator.....It is best (IMHO) keep your snake room around 72F and have a hot spot of around 90F....Placing a tub of damp moss in the back of the enclosure will provide a warm/damp spot in the back and a cool/damp spot in the front......There is a temperature and thermal gradient.........The thermal gradient can also be achieved from top to bottom of an enclosure rather than just from front to back...

Read that Reptiles mag article I posted up here a few weeks back.......All that I wrote concerning mexican kings applies to every colubrid I have kept and keep........

[Wildside]

Please qualify your last sentence before someone with lots of stupid in their head gets any ideas.

My whole post qualifies my last sentence as does J's below you. BTW I like your sig...:rolleyes:

I'm sorry Jlassiter for some reason I got you and alessia confused :sorry:. I too believe in giving the animal lots of options. I just didn't fully understand what you meant when you said "lighting" will dehydrate the reptile.

[Jlassiter]

My whole post qualifies my last sentence as does J's below you. BTW I like your sig...:rolleyes:

I'm sorry Jlassiter for some reason I got you and alessia confused :sorry:. I too believe in giving the animal lots of options. I just didn't fully understand what you meant when you said "lighting" will dehydrate the reptile.


Lighting...If used in conjunction with an aquarium or a plastic tub will dehydrate a lampropeltis. I never said reptile.... as lizards and other reptiles benefit from lighting - UVA/UVB.

Lighting can be used correctly though, but most do not have the type of enclosure or the "know how" yet to set up an optimal enclosure......
Most follow TFH or online caresheets that does not optimally provide for a lampropeltis......

Regards,

[Wildside]

Lighting...If used in conjunction with an aquarium or a plastic tub will dehydrate a lampropeltis. I never said reptile.... as lizards and other reptiles benefit from lighting - UVA/UVB.

Lighting can be used correctly though, but most do not have the type of enclosure or the "know how" yet to set up an optimal enclosure......
Most follow TFH or online caresheets that does not optimally provide for a lampropeltis......

Regards,

I was referring back to the lampropeltis when I said "reptile". I tend to be lazy like that and I really should kick the habit. Especially when trying to make a specific point or seeking clarification.

[Jlassiter]

It's Cool.....

Cheers,
John

[exwizard]

That is still not indicative of improper husbandry. I can't think right off the top of my head of any snakes that do require lighting. Also I'd like for alessia to clarify exactly what she meant... Will all lighting dehydrate this species? I never had any trouble when keeping a light in the enclosure. Of course I provide a sweatbox and access water at all times not to mention a hide and enough substrate to burrow in if desired. I think a lot people don't realize that lighting is an option when it comes to snakes.That wasnt Alessia. That was John Lassiter. Hes a big time Colubrid breeder and a particular expert on Lampropeltis. I would assume he meant that this type of snake is particularly sensitive to the dehydrating effects of this type of lighting.

[Wildside]

That wasnt Alessia. That was John Lassiter. Hes a big time Colubrid breeder and a particular expert on Lampropeltis. I would assume he meant that this type of snake is particularly sensitive to the dehydrating effects of this type of lighting.

Yeah we got it worked out ;) I'm not really sure how I got them confused.

[Jlassiter]

I'm the one with an outy not an inny.......LMAO!!!!!

[exwizard]

I'm the one with an outy not an inny.......LMAO!!!!!John youre bad.

[KORBIN5895]

My whole post qualifies my last sentence as does J's below you. BTW I like your sig...:rolleyes:

I'm sorry Jlassiter for some reason I got you and alessia confused :sorry:. I too believe in giving the animal lots of options. I just didn't fully understand what you meant when you said "lighting" will dehydrate the reptile.

Are you prepared to take responsibility for some moron putting his snake in a blue Rubbermaid and shoving it in his closet because" lighting is an option for snakes"?

I'm the one with an outy not an inny.......LMAO!!!!!

I will take your word for that.

[Wildside]

Are you prepared to take responsibility for some moron putting his snake in a blue Rubbermaid and shoving it in his closet because" lighting is an option for snakes"?

http://www.sarcasmistan.com/upload/a-bearsharktopus-your-argument-is-invalid-4b3d9.jpg

[KORBIN5895]

http://www.sarcasmistan.com/upload/a-bearsharktopus-your-argument-is-invalid-4b3d9.jpg

And your "advice" is asinine.

[Wildside]

And your "advice" is asinine.

Actually my advice is pretty good, but I haven't offered any itt. I only offered an opinion about lights being optional. Someone who would be ridiculous enough to do what you're suggesting I should take responsibility for, probably wouldn't care enough to do any research at all. Anyone who cares enough to research their "pet" is most likely gonna follow common practices leaving your rebuttal irrelevant. Your attack on the OP was uncalled for.

[KORBIN5895]

Actually my advice is pretty good, but I haven't offered any itt. I only offered an opinion about lights being optional. Someone who would be ridiculous enough to do what you're suggesting I should take responsibility for, probably wouldn't care enough to do any research at all. Anyone who cares enough to research their "pet" is most likely gonna follow common practices leaving your rebuttal irrelevant. Your attack on the OP was uncalled for.

Thank you for your infinite wisdom. Please keep it to yourself as I don't like the smell you make when you speak.

As for the op they coming on here claiming how they are rescuing a snake that is in terrible living conditions and thanks to John (not me) we find out she doesn't know much about their proper husbandry. Nobody should come here with a bogus "rescue" story and expect me to not point it out. If you have a problem with this I suggest you read the rules as i am sure there is one that*says "Kevin will not tolerate hokey rescue stories".

Now if you so desire I can start attacking as I am not in a very good mood. Speaking of which where is Aaron? At least he puts up an intelligent argument.

Further more, we did have someone on here telling us a story about how they or someone they knew kept their snakes in three open aquariums in their closet.

[Wildside]

Thank you for your infinite wisdom. Please keep it to yourself as I don't like the smell you make when you speak.

As for the op they coming on here claiming how they are rescuing a snake that is in terrible living conditions and thanks to John (not me) we find out she doesn't know much about their proper husbandry. Nobody should come here with a bogus "rescue" story and expect me to not point it out. If you have a problem with this I suggest you read the rules as i am sure there is one that*says "Kevin will not tolerate hokey rescue stories".

Now if you so desire I can start attacking as I am not in a very good mood. Speaking of which where is Aaron? At least he puts up an intelligent argument.

Further more, we did have someone on here telling us a story about how they or someone they knew kept their snakes in three open aquariums in their closet.

Open aquariums in the closet is different than a rubbermaid, don't you think? I'm not saying it's right, but still not the same as what you described. OP obviously needed some guidance in the right direction, which was provided courtesy of Jlassiter, thus increasing the chances for making this "transfer of ownership" a success.

Furthermore, I care not about your pms and whether or not you feel I've put up an intelligent argument. You Sir, should have more to contribute to this forum than pointing out a "bogus" rescue or arguing with me or Aaron. But, if you so desire then feel free to "Come at me Bro" :D

[KORBIN5895]

What pm's?????

[Wildside]

What pm's?????

I didn't say anything about pm's

[marvelfreak]

I didn't say anything about pm's
Kevin he said PMS not pm's. Now go take a Midol it will help with your mood swing, craps, and bloating. lol

[KORBIN5895]

Kevin he said PMS not pm's. Now go take a Midol it will help with your mood swing, craps, and bloating. lol

Hahahaha!

Hahahahahahahahah!

Whew I am done...

Hahahaha!

Okay now I am done.

[marvelfreak]

Glad i could make you laugh. Just goes to show the Midol worked. lol

[KORBIN5895]

Actually I think it was the ativan.

[Wildside]

Actually I think it was the ativan.

We good then? :D

[KORBIN5895]

We good then? :D

Lol! I forgot you are new I haven't been around for awhile! We were always good.

[rmfsnakes32]

I dont use lighting on my daughters publan milksnake and he is just fine other that being a bit nippy and liking to musk