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Wildside
07-06-12, 03:11 PM
Alright so I promised yesterday to share my "buyer" knowledge for expo purchasing.

First off, if you purchase animals for re-sell take a copy of your business license with you. Most of the vendors understand the ins and outs of business, and will offer you a deal you can profit from.

Second, if you don't purchase animals for re-sell and are looking to buy a new pet or something special for a future breeding project, you can still land a great deal. I'll get into that in a minute. Do beware of vendors whose prices seem like an amazing deal, chances are the stuff is wild caught and probably stressed and unhealthy. There are a few things you can do to ensure you get a quality animal and are not going to waste money.

1. Look for a vendor with a nice setup. This vendor obviously cares about making a good sale and is willing to show off the animals rather than hiding them in little plastic containers on a table in the corner.

2. Inquire with the vendor about how they obtain their livestock.
"Do you breed these?" Will most often be met with a proud answer of "yes" or "No, but my brother/sister/friend/dad/grandma does". A reputable vendor is always willing and happy to disclose where their animals come from. Of course some of them are liars. If they seem annoyed by your questions and reluctant to assist you, move on. While this doesn't necessarily mean they are being dishonest, it's bad business etiquette and they should know better anyway. A vendor (breeder or otherwise) should always be willing to answer any questions of potential customers.

3. There is a way to bargain with vendors without being disrespectful. Okay, here's a little secret some of you may be glad to know. Any knowledgeable retailer will set their prices a little bit higher so they can come down a little and make the customer feel like they're getting a good bargain. Many times if a vendor sees the customer is seriously contemplating a purchase they'll knock a few bucks off just to make the deal more enticing. Most of the time this is the final move that will seal the deal.
Also that top line price is the bar for negotiating. Those guys at the shows don't want to pack those reptiles up and take them back home. They brought them to sell! So feel free to make an offer of your own, on any potential purchase. For example: If you see a snake you'd absolutely love to have listed at $500 ask the vendor if he/she will take $350 instead. That's less than what they're asking, but still $100 over half of the set price. They should not get insulted by the offer. If they do, move on. Being insulted by a decent offer can be an indicator of someone who might not be willing to do good business.
Should they refuse to come down on price or you feel their prices are just a bit high, you should be more than welcome to find out why. "Do they have pedigrees?" "What are they het for?" Just try to avoid directly asking the vendor why their prices are what they are. It makes a vendor feel as if they're being interrogated. It also shuts them down because most potential customers who start "interrogating" aren't gonna buy anything anyway.

One thing I do want to clarify... Don't completely disregard a vendor with unwillingness to provide a guarantee. Vendors have to protect themselves from losing money as much as you need to protect yourself from wasting it. People do extraordinarily stupid things with their animals, then expect a refund. Vendors have no way of knowing how good people actually care for their animals and therefore no way to determine who is responsible for the loss. Practicing the aforementioned tips will help ensure your chances of making a good purchase, as well as using common sense. It's generally pretty easy to tell if an animal is healthy, and if you're not sure what to look for there's probably an article on it around here somewhere. Happy Shopping!

Tekpc007
07-06-12, 03:43 PM
thanks for this post , im going to my first expo in 2 weeks. i get the feeling that many vendors try to pawn off their problem animals and sick critters (that you cant tell are sick) at the shows... how often is this the case?

StudentoReptile
07-06-12, 03:49 PM
thanks for this post , im going to my first expo in 2 weeks. i get the feeling that many vendors try to pawn off their problem animals and sick critters (that you cant tell are sick) at the shows... how often is this the case?

Depends on who they are.

A lot of it is doing some homework before hand. A lot of shows will post their vendors lists online beforehand. You can always look up folks and see what they got, look up what kind of reputation they have, etc.

You can spend more time with the vendors you know are more reputable, and waste less time with the scumbags with poor quality animals.

DragonsEye
07-06-12, 04:16 PM
Some additional comments:

If you do decide to "make an offer", don't be ridiculous about it. I have been at expos and witness a customer offer $15 for a $40 animal. Personally, I'd find that rather insultingly stupid if I was a vendor.

Don't be put off if the vendor says "No. My price is set." Sometimes a vendor has an animal (or animals) that they are more than willing to hold onto because they do know they have a very good chance of getting their asking price later that day or even on another day (thinking of the vendors who may do at least a couple shows a month). While vendors do indeed mark their offerings to make a profit, don't assume they are "making a killing". A number of the vendors I run into (obviously not all of them) do not make a living raising and selling the animals. Instead, they are hobbyists who are using their profits to support their hobby or supplement their income from their real job. As such, they tend not to have big operations and also do not mark up their animals as much as those vendors who earn their livelihood selling.

Also, be aware that vendors may give you a small discount if you are buying more than one animal from them.

DO shop around. IME, it is incredibly commonplace for more than one vendor to have what you want -- and sometimes at markedly different prices. When you see this, as Wildside suggested, talk to the vendors to see if you can assertain a reason why ... such as one vendor having wild caught animals or another perhaps using some select line breeding stock.

If you see an animal at the first vendor you hit that sweeps you off your feet, ask the vendor if they will hold it for you while give the purchase some serious consideration. The worst they can do is say "no". However, at least several of the ones I commonly see at the expo I go to have no problem holding the animal for a reasonable amount of time -- like 30 minutes. This can then provide you with a "grace" period to quickly peruse the other vendors that might have what you are interested in. But if a vendor does offer you this courtesy, please to the same and if you do get an animal from someone else go back to that first vendor, thank them and let them know you decided on a different animal.

Tek, do you know anyone who attends the show you are planning on attending? If so, question them as to who they have purchased from and what their experience was like. I do mosly inverts as they take up much less space than reptiles. There is a vendor at the expo I go to from whom I have purchased almost all of my inverts. I have, on more than one occasion at an expo, recommended him to total strangers (I wound up chatting with them as we were both displaying an interest in some "critters").

infernalis
07-06-12, 05:16 PM
I have found these secret weapons that work awesome for me.

Buy a table at the expo, this will get you in the door HOURS before the "public" and allow you to buy up anything that is under priced before the rest of the world can see it.

Vendors treat other vendors differently.. So you can often get enough deals to offset the price of the table.

Can't afford a table... The next best thing is to offer (for free) to help out with someone Else's table. This will still get you inside before the crowd rushes in, you will still get the same treatment from the vendors, and at most it may cost you fetching lunch for the person you are helping.

I have used this simple trick at many expos and got in on some incredible deals.

Offer to help the promoter set up the ballroom, this will really get you in early!!

cossiecraig
09-09-12, 11:07 AM
some great advice here from all the above and i'm going to my first show this weekend ,see it pays to look around here for tips and advice and i find this site to be of great help and interest ,thankyou again Wildside for starting this thread .

Wildside
09-09-12, 11:17 AM
some great advice here from all the above and i'm going to my first show this weekend ,see it pays to look around here for tips and advice and i find this site to be of great help and interest ,thankyou again Wildside for starting this thread .

You're welcome!

mykee
09-09-12, 11:35 AM
I've always found that if you're interested in A+ stock, you get there early and pay top dollar for it.
If you're not looking for A+ stock, show up an hour before the end of the Expo and offer the vendor 50 cents on the dollar for all their ugly crap that no one wanted.

shaunyboy
09-09-12, 12:06 PM
I have found these secret weapons that work awesome for me.

Buy a table at the expo, this will get you in the door HOURS before the "public" and allow you to buy up anything that is under priced before the rest of the world can see it.

Vendors treat other vendors differently.. So you can often get enough deals to offset the price of the table.

Can't afford a table... The next best thing is to offer (for free) to help out with someone Else's table. This will still get you inside before the crowd rushes in, you will still get the same treatment from the vendors, and at most it may cost you fetching lunch for the person you are helping.

I have used this simple trick at many expos and got in on some incredible deals.

Offer to help the promoter set up the ballroom, this will really get you in early!!

i'll add one more tip Wayne.....

if you know a vendor,be it via the internet,or from buying a snake previously.....

ask them if they can get you into the show earlier than the public

i bought a pair of jungles from a guy,who has a table at UK and European shows,if i want to go,i just call him andf he arranges it for me

a lot of the vendor's already sell,advertise,through snake forums,where by reading their post and everyone else's,you can work out who the good guys are

cheers shaun

shaunyboy
09-09-12, 12:15 PM
I've always found that if you're interested in A+ stock, you get there early and pay top dollar for it.
If you're not looking for A+ stock, show up an hour before the end of the Expo and offer the vendor 50 cents on the dollar for all their ugly crap that no one wanted.

^^^^^
thats pretty much the same here and in Europe Mykee

the A grade stuff is sought after and commands a price thats right and won't be deviated from

we also get end of show bargains,hell i've even had a carpet for free,at the end of one show

theres always plenty of cheap snakes on offer,at the end of a show

cheers shaun

Kettennatter
09-09-12, 12:30 PM
^^^^^
thats pretty much the same here and in Europe Mykee

the A grade stuff is sought after and commands a price thats right and won't be deviated from

we also get end of show bargains,hell i've even had a carpet for free,at the end of one show

theres always plenty of cheap snakes on offer,at the end of a show

cheers shaun

Okay, I bite: What was the issue with the carpet? (I would expect something like ball python hatchling with feeding issues to go for free.)

rmfsnakes32
09-09-12, 04:02 PM
Thanks guys for the great info next month we are going to a show in Illinois

DragonsEye
09-10-12, 11:09 AM
I've always found that if you're interested in A+ stock, you get there early and pay top dollar for it.
If you're not looking for A+ stock, show up an hour before the end of the Expo and offer the vendor 50 cents on the dollar for all their ugly crap that no one wanted.

if you know a vendor,be it via the internet,or from buying a snake previously.....

ask them if they can get you into the show earlier than the public

I think the same holds true for any expo. For that matter, it holds fairly true even at orchid shows I attend. (Though orchids shows are put on by orchid societies, vendors are always present. Typically one area is a display area in which both vendors and members of societies display their blooming plants. A separate area is the sales area where the vendors have their plants for sale.) At such shows, if you want the best selection you go early and expect to pay exactly what the vendor is asking. If you just want a deal and don't care what the selection is like, go the last hour or so. Many (but not all) vendors will mark down some of the plants -- mainly the ones that won't be still in bloom for the next show. To get the very best selection, one volunteers to help set up for the show or finds a vendor who needs help with set-up and sales. That gets you in before the hoards. Many of the choicest sale plants are gone long before the general public even gets a look at them

Aaron_S
09-10-12, 04:44 PM
I don't know if I'd hold an animal for 30 minutes so someone else might be able to make a sale. Honestly, for a 'hold' I'd ask for a deposit on the animal. As you said though you can ask and I'd simply say "I'm sorry but I can't hold it."

I like purchasing my animals when they become available. I sat back a few times and missed on some animals I kick myself for so I buy them as soon as they come up and I no longer have to attend shows to get them.

I also usually find the deal sometimes can be better than the show!

mykee
09-10-12, 05:16 PM
Thank you Michael....

Aaron_S
09-10-12, 05:23 PM
Thank you Michael....

You're welcome Aaron...

Falconeer999
09-11-12, 01:21 PM
Realize this post was a bit old and someone just bumped it - thanks for doing so! Going to my first expo this weekend in Charleston and this was very timely!