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Hey guys, I am new on this forum. I am planning on purchasing 1 male and 2 female ball python morph babies at the next expo (early august) and had a few questions. My purpose is to keep the trio as display snakes, with the intention of breeding them. I like pastels and pinstripes, but am open to whatever gets me the best breeding group.
Why are females more expensive than males? Am I wrong to assume that one male can be bred to two females?
How aboreal are these snakes? I am building the enclosures now and they are 36x18x20.
Finally, I am open to (actually hoping for) some suggestions to start a decent breeding group. I would like to spend under $400-$500 for the trio.
Thanks guys
infernalis
07-03-12, 09:32 AM
Not arboreal at all, they like it on the ground.
snake man12
07-03-12, 09:46 AM
For that price you should get a normal and a couple of pastels. A male can breed to two females
StudentoReptile
07-03-12, 09:51 AM
Why are females more expensive than males? Am I wrong to assume that one male can be bred to two females?
A male can breed to two females
...or more. Some breeders use a single male to service as many as 6-7 females, although the practice is debatable.
In general, that is why males are cheaper. For any breeding group, one can get by with fewer males than females, so hobbyists are always getting rid of excess "sperm donors."
Toronto1977
07-03-12, 09:52 AM
They are very adept at climbing, and mine is quite agile. If given the chance they will climb. Most keepers do not give their Royals the opportunity to do so. Great exercise as well for them.
DeesBalls
07-03-12, 09:53 AM
Not arboreal at all, my cages i built for them are only 12'' high ( i would suggest a little taller just for ease of getting them out easier)
as for breeding...we will go for $400 cap
Pastel Female- baby could be for $150-$175
Pinstripe Female- baby could be for $150-$175 or so
Pastel MALE- baby, ive seen as low as $75-$100
with that your male can easily breed those two females...
you can get lemon blasts, super pastels, normals, pins, pastels.. the pastel (imho) is one of the best morphs to start out with.
can also get spiders for fairly cheap, just be carful with though...
enchis are cheap around $100 for male
hopfully Mykee or Aaron will be in here and help out... they know more than i do, i just started breeding myself, so ive been researching prices and stufff.
Gungirl
07-03-12, 10:44 AM
Why do you want to breed?
Thanks for all the responses. The reason I want to breed is to get more into my husbandry, and to help financially support it.
In regards to the group set-up, if one male can handle a few females, would it make sense to try to buy a male that is a 2 gene morph? I was planning on M pastel, F pinstripe, F cinnamon, but I do not have any experience with bp which is why I wanted to run it by you guys.
@deeugi, "can also get spiders for fairly cheap, just be carful with though...
enchis are cheap around $100 for male" by be careful are you referring to "the wobble" or is there something else I need to worry about?
DeesBalls
07-03-12, 12:03 PM
Thanks for all the responses. The reason I want to breed is to get more into my husbandry, and to help financially support it.
In regards to the group set-up, if one male can handle a few females, would it make sense to try to buy a male that is a 2 gene morph? I was planning on M pastel, F pinstripe, F cinnamon, but I do not have any experience with bp which is why I wanted to run it by you guys.
@deeugi, "can also get spiders for fairly cheap, just be carful with though...
enchis are cheap around $100 for male" by be careful are you referring to "the wobble" or is there something else I need to worry about?
what do you mean "more into husbandry?"
yes i am talking about the wobble, some have it bad, some you can barley notice it...
if i were you, you could think of getting a male pastave, you can get those for around $300, maybe even less if there are sales at the show, then get a nice female pastel. then pick up a female normal too, just to produce more pastels and mojaves...
doing a pastave x female pastel can give you awesome looking snakes, and doing a pastave by normal female can you give pastels, and mojaves... take one of those mojos and breed BACK to the male pastave, then your looking at chances of getting BEL- yes it will take a few years in order for that though....
check out kingsnake.com, its where i got alot of my snakes at, and had nothing but good experiances, even keep in contact with the breeders.
You can get almost any base morph for a reasonable price these days, far cry from the $7500 I spent on my first spider.
As for what to breed, breed what you want. In my 11 years of breeding, not once did I ask others what to breed or for anyone else's advice. I breed what I want to work with and for that reason, I love every single minute of it as much today as I did a decade ago.
Good luck.
what do you mean "more into husbandry?"
I mean that I like working with my reptiles, and breeding is a way to get more involved with them.
Thanks for the suggestion, I am definately taking your advice about the pastave male. That should give me some pretty cool breeding options.
@mykee: that is crazy to think spiders could cost that much only a decade ago. Thx for the website, your summary care info was helpful.
Do you guys find heat tape, rope, or matts to be more effective heat sources?
Heat tape by far. Also a better use of heat as well as being extremely cost-effective.
DeesBalls
07-03-12, 02:49 PM
heat tape.
TinkerbellsMom
07-08-12, 01:23 AM
females are more expensive usually because they get bigger. im sure there are other reasons but that is one of them.
Aaron_S
07-08-12, 07:04 AM
females are more expensive usually because they get bigger. im sure there are other reasons but that is one of them.
I don't think size has any reason.
It's purely based on the fact that a female can only give you ONE clutch of eggs per season. A male can breed multiple females per season. The female is then the valuable one.
Wildside
07-08-12, 07:28 AM
franks I'm not sure if you're aware of this yet or not but BP's only lay something like 4 eggs. It's not exactly going to be profitable enough to support your hobby if only breeding two females. I'm certainly not trying to discourage you from breeding but understanding what you're getting into will prevent frustration.
Aaron_S
07-08-12, 08:09 AM
franks I'm not sure if you're aware of this yet or not but BP's only lay something like 4 eggs. It's not exactly going to be profitable enough to support your hobby if only breeding two females. I'm certainly not trying to discourage you from breeding but understanding what you're getting into will prevent frustration.
On average it's 6 eggs. Anywhere from 1 - 10 in general.
With two females you can probably feed your adults for a year on the money you'd make. That's paying for themselves pretty well.
Wildside
07-08-12, 02:19 PM
On average it's 6 eggs. Anywhere from 1 - 10 in general.
With two females you can probably feed your adults for a year on the money you'd make. That's paying for themselves pretty well.
That's assuming he gets 12 and most of them hatch. Also, I just wanted to inform him of the clutch size. It wasn't something I learned about BP's until I considered breeding them and started doing my research. It came as a surprise since I've seen litters of 30 some boas, cornsnakes throwin' off double clutches, etc.
Aaron_S
07-08-12, 02:58 PM
That's assuming he gets 12 and most of them hatch. Also, I just wanted to inform him of the clutch size. It wasn't something I learned about BP's until I considered breeding them and started doing my research. It came as a surprise since I've seen litters of 30 some boas, cornsnakes throwin' off double clutches, etc.
I don't know about you but I breed ball pythons and I feed the entire collection of dozens with only a couple clutches. It wouldn't take 12 babies.
Ball pythons also have a larger market than boas for the most part and in general have a steadier price point based on the fact they don't toss out double clutches or 30 babies.
I just believe in working with what you like at the end of the day. Be it ball pythons, corns or boas.
"It wasn't something I learned about BP's until I considered breeding them and started doing my research."
You did bad research.
I've produced hundreds of ball python clutches and 90% of my clutches are in the 7-9 egg range.
Wildside
07-08-12, 04:50 PM
You did bad research.
I've produced hundreds of ball python clutches and 90% of my clutches are in the 7-9 egg range.
That may be true... My research came by way of another forum. Anyway, what I discovered turned me off to the idea of breeding BP's.
From what I have been reading, you are right in saying I should expect about 4 eggs, but only from a females first clutch. I think she can produce 1/3 of her weight in eggs. The bigger she gets the more eggs she lays. Thank you for the heads up, I am not looking to quit my day-job, just looking to support or supplement my hobby. I want and will be purchasing a few ball pythons either way, I figured that I mine as well do my research and pick a financially smart breeding group. Long term goal is to end up with 2 males and 4 females all double gene royals. Between this, and a few rosy boa and corn clutches here and there, I am hoping at the very least to be able to feed all the lizards and snakes, and buy a few more lol.
But all this aside, because income generated from the royals is second to keeping them. They will be kept as display animals in custom enclosures, doted on and observed like the rest of my zoo.
Aaron_S
07-09-12, 08:46 AM
From what I have been reading, you are right in saying I should expect about 4 eggs, but only from a females first clutch. I think she can produce 1/3 of her weight in eggs. The bigger she gets the more eggs she lays....
Where did you get this information?
I had a virgin girl who laid 6 good eggs last season at 1800 grams.
I don't think you should expect 4 eggs from a first timer purely because it's their first time. I have an inkling of an idea that this is from people who breed really small girls.
Wildside
07-09-12, 08:51 AM
Where did you get this information?
I had a virgin girl who laid 6 good eggs last season at 1800 grams.
I don't think you should expect 4 eggs from a first timer purely because it's their first time. I have an inkling of an idea that this is from people who breed really small girls.
The info/opinions derived from the internet are quite far-fetched compared to reality aren't they?
Aaron_S
07-09-12, 08:59 AM
The info/opinions derived from the internet are quite far-fetched compared to reality aren't they?
Yeah that's why I stay away from all things internet.... ;)
Wildside
07-09-12, 09:07 AM
Yeah that's why I stay away from all things internet.... ;)
Except this place right?
Quit reading stuff and do it.
Nothing is a substitute for experience.
Period.
Of the 300 or so ball python clutches I've hatched, maybe 10-12 were 5 eggs and under. This includes first time breeders.
StudentoReptile
07-09-12, 10:37 AM
Except this place right?
Your statement seems to imply that Aaron gets his husbandry and breeding information solely from this forum. I'll be honest, I don't know the man personally, but from his posts, I would imagine his last statement meant that he bases his advice and observations from the actual breeding experience of other BP breeders, as well as his own personal experience...not just regurgitating obsolete info from a book or website.
Wildside
07-09-12, 10:38 AM
Your statement seems to imply that Aaron gets his husbandry and breeding information solely from this forum. I'll be honest, I don't know the man personally, but from his posts, I would imagine his last statement meant that he bases his advice and observations from the actual breeding experience of other BP breeders, as well as his own personal experience...not just regurgitating obsolete info from a book or website.
Actually it was meant to be a joke referencing the fact that he just posted on a forum on the internet.
Bingo. Reading is good but to take everything you read as The Truth is bad. You need to Do it to truly Know it.
Bingo. Reading is good but to take everything you read as The Truth is bad. You need to Do it to truly Know it.
Which is why I am going to buy some balls at the expo in three weeks. However, you are underestimating the value of information obtained from experienced individuals. For instance, I want to know what the average clutch size for a ball python is. You said you have bred over 300 clutches, so your average clutch size should be pretty close to accurate... information that will take me years to learn from experience. So... mykee... what is your average clutch size? lol
Wildside
07-09-12, 01:20 PM
Quit reading stuff and do it.
Nothing is a substitute for experience.
Period.
Of the 300 or so ball python clutches I've hatched, maybe 10-12 were 5 eggs and under. This includes first time breeders.
5 and under
DeesBalls
07-09-12, 01:37 PM
Franks, im just going to say this"
Listen to what Mykee and Aaron says....
Wildside, no offence at all to you, please be aware i am not being rude, but Mykee and Aaron have been on this forum for a long time, and they both helped me out, and others, many times over the years. again, no offence:)
Thought you'd never ask...
My average clutch size is 6-8 with a better than 98% hatch rate.
Wildside
07-09-12, 09:42 PM
Franks, im just going to say this"
Listen to what Mykee and Aaron says....
Wildside, no offence at all to you, please be aware i am not being rude, but Mykee and Aaron have been on this forum for a long time, and they both helped me out, and others, many times over the years. again, no offence:)
Why would I take offense? They are veteran members and I haven't offered anything more than a discovery I made that I thought was interesting and should definitely be considered. Besides, it's not like you flat out said to disregard my advice because I'm an idiot. :)
This is a very large site and there are going to be people here who don't agree with me on things at all. But there are also going to be people here who are very thankful for my input. My way of herping is not the least bit traditional and most of it will go against internet findings, but as discussed in this very thread, experience is the key. I'm not ever going to offer bad advice to anyone. My methods are tried and true, and I don't give one **** what Google has to say about it.
Get Pastel female, pin female, and enchi male IMO.
Aaron_S
07-09-12, 10:31 PM
Why would I take offense? They are veteran members and I haven't offered anything more than a discovery I made that I thought was interesting and should definitely be considered. Besides, it's not like you flat out said to disregard my advice because I'm an idiot. :)
This is a very large site and there are going to be people here who don't agree with me on things at all. But there are also going to be people here who are very thankful for my input. My way of herping is not the least bit traditional and most of it will go against internet findings, but as discussed in this very thread, experience is the key. I'm not ever going to offer bad advice to anyone. My methods are tried and true, and I don't give one **** what Google has to say about it.
The part where you said ball pythons won't be profitable even with a small amount of them? If that's the part you're referring to in regards to your "discovery" I'd just like to say it all depends on what you consider "profit". If profit is feeding the adults yearly than that can be had with a few clutches a season. If the idea of profit is to buy a car then you've got have quite a large number.
Anyway, back on topic. Franks, it's great to get advice from experienced keepers but you still need to just do it on your own. It's pretty simple.
The part where you said ball pythons won't be profitable even with a small amount of them? If that's the part you're referring to in regards to your "discovery" I'd just like to say it all depends on what you consider "profit". If profit is feeding the adults yearly than that can be had with a few clutches a season. If the idea of profit is to buy a car then you've got have quite a large number.
Anyway, back on topic. Franks, it's great to get advice from experienced keepers but you still need to just do it on your own. It's pretty simple.
With the proper pairings, making enough money to buy a car in a single season is more then reasonable even with a small group of animals. ;)
Wildside
07-09-12, 10:37 PM
The part where you said ball pythons won't be profitable even with a small amount of them? If that's the part you're referring to in regards to your "discovery" I'd just like to say it all depends on what you consider "profit". If profit is feeding the adults yearly than that can be had with a few clutches a season. If the idea of profit is to buy a car then you've got have quite a large number.
Anyway, back on topic. Franks, it's great to get advice from experienced keepers but you still need to just do it on your own. It's pretty simple.
My discovery was based on non-morph's used to supply my storefront. Everyone has different reasons for wanting to breed. The OP never stated the amount he sought. I just wanted to remind him to factor in clutch size for general purposes.
Aaron_S
07-09-12, 10:39 PM
My discovery was based on non-morph's used to supply my storefront. Everyone has different reasons for wanting to breed. The OP never stated the amount he sought. I just wanted to remind him to factor in clutch size for general purposes.
Of course. I would hope they would do that with any and all animals.
There's a number of species that breed really easily and would do well to make quick capital for anyone but that's if you're in it to make a large facility or supply a store.
Aaron_S
07-09-12, 10:40 PM
With the proper pairings, making enough money to buy a car in a single season is more then reasonable even with a small group of animals. ;)
Yes but you'd be putting out cash close to the price of the car in the first place....
Yes but you'd be putting out cash close to the price of the car in the first place....
Not really if you play your cards right, and depends on what kind of "car" your asking. Yes I can invest 1-2k which can buy a car (a junk one at that), and by the end of a good season end up with enough to buy a decent car off the lot if I've selected the right snakes, that's not counting holdbacks though. If you holdback your first season, and use the money to reinvest into some harder hitting animals, your second and third seasons will be awesome.
I've only hatched out 4 clutches so far, and I could but a fully loaded Fiat 500 Abarth with the proceeds.
DeesBalls
07-10-12, 07:43 AM
Why would I take offense? They are veteran members and I haven't offered anything more than a discovery I made that I thought was interesting and should definitely be considered. Besides, it's not like you flat out said to disregard my advice because I'm an idiot. :)
This is a very large site and there are going to be people here who don't agree with me on things at all. But there are also going to be people here who are very thankful for my input. My way of herping is not the least bit traditional and most of it will go against internet findings, but as discussed in this very thread, experience is the key. I'm not ever going to offer bad advice to anyone. My methods are tried and true, and I don't give one **** what Google has to say about it.
alot of people on this forum, especially new people get easily offended about everything, just didnt want to start anything.
i will accept advice from everyone, try the advice out, and go from there, i wont ignore any ones advice, it may be unconventional, and different, but it may just work :)
Aaron_S
07-10-12, 08:29 AM
I've only hatched out 4 clutches so far, and I could but a fully loaded Fiat 500 Abarth with the proceeds.
Yeah but it isn't your first season :P
True. But I have 37 more clutches to go.
Aaron_S
07-10-12, 09:16 AM
True. But I have 37 more clutches to go.
Yeah...yeah...yeah...
We know...
I've got about another 3 out of my 13.
Thanks for all of the advice guys. I am preparing enclosures now. I am reading in some places that babies should not be kept in large enclosures. Is there any merit to this. In the wild they dont start in small enclosure
Aaron_S
07-11-12, 09:41 AM
Thanks for all of the advice guys. I am preparing enclosures now. I am reading in some places that babies should not be kept in large enclosures. Is there any merit to this. In the wild they dont start in small enclosure
There is merit to it. Ball pythons love to be cramped. They usually stop eating otherwise. In the wild ball pythons live in cramped burrows. It makes them feel secure.
Hello Franks, I'm new here also. Not new to owning snakes though. I'm interested in the enclosure you are building. Maybe post some pictures for us somewhere?
I have been lucky enough to hatch my first ever clutch of Beepers this year and I had the 'odds gods' on my side. My story...I won a Vanilla male several years ago at the Daytona expo, then hunted and hunted until I found a really special Vanilla female that was totally unrelated to him (actually difficult to do). Grew them up slowly and then when she was big enough AND old enough, I put them together. I got four eggs from this pairing and this is the results: one normal (reduced pattern female), one vanilla (reduced pattern female) and two super vanillas (both reduced patterns and one is really wacky). I have not advertised them for sale yet but hopefully will realize some decent money from them when I do.
Good luck on your endeavors and let us know if you need any assistance!
Oh, guess I should have said that I'm actually a boa person masquerading in the Ball Python and Cornsnake world...LOL
Build yourself a snake rack, save yourself a little bit of money on the "enclosure" aspect, and end up with more space to put hatchlings/future animals. If you want an animal to display and look at, pick anything other than a BP, something that's actually visually appealing and interesting to look at.
LadyLockeout
07-11-12, 05:22 PM
Build yourself a snake rack, save yourself a little bit of money on the "enclosure" aspect, and end up with more space to put hatchlings/future animals. If you want an animal to display and look at, pick anything other than a BP, something that's actually visually appealing and interesting to look at.
You don't find BP's visually appealing? :confused:
alessia55
07-11-12, 05:44 PM
Build yourself a snake rack, save yourself a little bit of money on the "enclosure" aspect, and end up with more space to put hatchlings/future animals. If you want an animal to display and look at, pick anything other than a BP, something that's actually visually appealing and interesting to look at.
Whether or not ball pythons are visually appealing is entirely subjective. Personally, I'm not interested in keeping much of any other snakes other than ball pythons. When I go to expos, ball pythons are the only wants that REALLY catch my attention; all the morphs, the body structure, all of it ties into a package that greatly appeals to my eyes. I find them THE most visually appealing in the snake world. So that's entirely subjective ;) Whether or not they are interesting to look at is debatable LOL! (ok ok, they don't move a lot :p)
To the OP, if you want a snake that will be VISIBLE to see and display, then a ball python is not the right snake to choose for that. Ball pythons won't hang out on a branch the way arboreal snakes will.
- From what I understand, they really are only active at night? I am not looking for the perfect display animal, I have a few other snakes (including a rosy boa whos "displayness" cant be topped) and a few lizards. I just want to create an ideal enviornement for the royals and I am a little hesitant to adopting the LAM method of plastic storage boxes. Its hard to imagine this set-up being ideal for the snake.
alessia55
07-11-12, 05:54 PM
- From what I understand, they really are only active at night? I am not looking for the perfect display animal, I have a few other snakes (including a rosy boa whos "displayness" cant be topped) and a few lizards. I just want to create an ideal enviornement for the royals and I am a little hesitant to adopting the LAM method of plastic storage boxes. Its hard to imagine this set-up being ideal for the snake.
I have my ball pythons in beautiful boaphile cages with an "ideal" environment (temps, humidity, etc where they should be).
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/544963_3323965213557_2105882192_n.jpg
Hello Franks, I'm new here also. Not new to owning snakes though. I'm interested in the enclosure you are building. Maybe post some pictures for us somewhere?
Here is one I just finished for my rosy boa. It has built in heat under the ground on the left hand side.
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g223/diehardislanders/IMAG0316.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g223/diehardislanders/IMAG0317.jpg
alessia55
07-11-12, 06:00 PM
Love all those natural rocks in there... looks great. Is the big grey rock thing a hide on that other side? and where's the water?
Love all those natural rocks in there... looks great. Is the big grey rock thing a hide on that other side? and where's the water?
There is a hide behind the big grey rock, and another cool side hide in the form of a cork round log burried in the substrate. I like your duel set up alot. I think i am going to make something similiar to yours to fit under my 125 tank. What are your dimensions?
The water is out. She gets water 2-3 days a week
DeesBalls
07-11-12, 09:28 PM
I just want to create an ideal enviornement for the royals and I am a little hesitant to adopting the LAM method of plastic storage boxes. Its hard to imagine this set-up being ideal for the snake.
I personally find this statement really contradicting...
you say you want to create an idea enviorment for your snake, but yet are hesitant to use racks/tubs... but tubs give you that, for very very cheap... trust me on this, i was the same way as you, when i had my 1st few snakes, i was appauled at the idea of tubs, and racks. but after i got up to six snakes, i ran out of room for tanks, and the cords from the heat lights were redicoulus. so i made my 1st rack for only about $75 plus heat tape ($25) it stored all the snakes nicly, and they had their warm spot, cool spot, humidity, and ambient where it needed to be.
after the racks, i got tired of not being able to see them, so i built my own cages, they work nice but again, very bulky, still love my racks!!
the point is this... you need to use what is right for you... Honestly, i kept a Brazilian Rainbow Boa in a 10 gal tank... those of which need much more picky and "harder" husbandry than a BP. So it can be done...
you can either:
use what Alessia is using ( couple hundered bucks a piece for a cage )
visual cage like you rosy boa ( $50 or so bucks plus decor)
racks with tubs ( $100 or so, and can store multiple snakes)
This is a pic of my 1st rack i built... it had 2 BP, 3 corn, 1 brb
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy336/DGilliland22/Rack%20Pictures/IMAG1305.jpg
2 of my custom built ones (corn on top, RTB on bottom) (( no hides because they both are ALWAYS burrowing))
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy336/DGilliland22/cages/cages1.jpg
new hatchling rack
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy336/DGilliland22/cages/cages2.jpg
my current BP cage,
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy336/DGilliland22/cages/IMAG0186.jpg
i guess my point is, use what you like, just make sure the snakes best interest is 1st...
Balls are such boring display animals. Get a retic and you'll never look back.
alessia55
07-12-12, 05:29 AM
Balls are such boring display animals. Get a retic and you'll never look back.
I don't think the OP has much experience with snakes (but I'm not sure). I don't think a retic would be a good option then (for all the obvious reasons).
DeesBalls
07-12-12, 06:20 AM
Balls are such boring display animals. Get a retic and you'll never look back.
right.. get a retic just to have a display animal...
I have 2 months experience with snakes, 11 years with lizards. No rectics lol. You guys bring up some interesting points with the rack system. Maybe i can make a modified one. I am not sold one way or the other which is why i asked for your point of views
DeesBalls
07-12-12, 08:23 AM
yea, like i said, each way has their own pros and cons... just have to do what is best for your situation... if i only had say, 3-5 snakes, i would probably splurge and get the nice Boaphiles like Alessia has, but since i have 18, a rack is necessarily.
Via the rack system, how big of storage box for baby, juvy, adult?
DeesBalls
07-12-12, 08:37 AM
Via the rack system, how big of storage box for baby, juvy, adult?
me personaly will use 6 qt for babies, 28 for juvies, and 41 for adults... (for ball pythons, and corn snakes, the 41 will be fine for adults.) other people may use other sizes, but these are what i like.
right.. get a retic just to have a display animal...
He seems to on some level want something to show. I'm sorry that you aren't 100% familiar but retics do make decent pets, and you can buy super dwarfs pretty easily these days and still get a nice display animal.
If you like reptiles, it wouldn't be "just to have a display animal".
I dont get where you are getting "just to have diplay animals." What are you reading?
DeesBalls
07-12-12, 12:20 PM
He seems to on some level want something to show. I'm sorry that you aren't 100% familiar but retics do make decent pets, and you can buy super dwarfs pretty easily these days and still get a nice display animal.
If you like reptiles, it wouldn't be "just to have a display animal".
im not familiar with retics, i know they get big, and are NOT for some one who does not have experianec with them... and saying to get one for a "display animal" is horrible advice, i am aware there are super dawrf, but still a retic. sorry just dont it was a good idea to state that...
your few posts to this thread is not helping at all, he said 2 months experiance... i say for that much experiance, i say corn for display, but i dont see where he said anything about a display animal?
he started talking about getting a trio to start breeding, and started talking about caging..
EDIT: after reading over the thread, you have been helpful though out, i thought you just chimmed in about the retic... sorry about taht.
your few posts to this thread is not helping at all, he said 2 months experiance... i say for that much experiance, i say corn for display, but i dont see where he said anything about a display animal.
I actually have two corn snakes (granite het ghost, and a pewter) and I rarely see them lol. Its ok, by display animal, I do not mean an animal to sit there and look at, I am refering more to the method of keeping them. I am only aware of two methods of housing snakes, the LAM (storage containers and rack systems) and display (fish tank or home made enclosure with substrate and glass.) I enjoy taylor making each enclosure to fit a specific reptile's needs. I research their natural substrate and ideal choice of hides and enviornments and try to recreate it. That is all I meant, I could care less if the snake learns to dance and entertain my friends, or just hides under a log all day. That is what I meant but in lieu of some recent conversations with you guys who have a lot of experience, I am strongly considering the rack system. I may make a double enclosure to "diplay" two royals and rack the rest, not sure yet. I think one can learn alot by observing their reptiles, and I do not want to completely pass up that opportunity.
Edit- I copy pasted the wrong part of your quote; I was trying to refer to where you mentioned corns would be good display reptiles.
DeesBalls
07-12-12, 06:20 PM
I actually have two corn snakes (granite het ghost, and a pewter) and I rarely see them lol. Its ok, by display animal, I do not mean an animal to sit there and look at, I am refering more to the method of keeping them. I am only aware of two methods of housing snakes, the LAM (storage containers and rack systems) and display (fish tank or home made enclosure with substrate and glass.) I enjoy taylor making each enclosure to fit a specific reptile's needs. I research their natural substrate and ideal choice of hides and enviornments and try to recreate it. That is all I meant, I could care less if the snake learns to dance and entertain my friends, or just hides under a log all day. That is what I meant but in lieu of some recent conversations with you guys who have a lot of experience, I am strongly considering the rack system. I may make a double enclosure to "diplay" two royals and rack the rest, not sure yet. I think one can learn alot by observing their reptiles, and I do not want to completely pass up that opportunity.
Edit- I copy pasted the wrong part of your quote; I was trying to refer to where you mentioned corns would be good display reptiles.
i see what you are saying about the display, when i think display animal, i think really really fancy decorative cages, ( like cages by design ) with like a green tree python, or something like that...
as for corns, mine is always out exploring and is very active, but not all snakes are the same...
i am doing the same thing.. my BRB, RTB, and my corn will go in a nice cage, whether i build it, or buy one.. and all others will go in a rack.. i think that is a good idea.
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