Charcoal Snow?????

[Snakefood]

I am using the corn calculator to see what would happen if I bred my snow to my blizzard. it comes up with Amels, Snows, Blizzards, and "Charcoal Snows"

So I went to Ians Vivarium, to see how to tell the difference between Snow, Blizzard and Charcoal Snow hatchlings, and I can't find ANY pics of Charcoal Snows.

Anyone out that can help me with pics of Charcoal Snow cornsnakes, especially hatchlings???????

[BarelyBreathing]

I've never heard of it, but I'm curious to see one.

[alessia55]

You sure it's not Snow HET Charcoal?

[alessia55]

Did some research.... found this
charcoal snow (also known as an anery blizzard or just plain old "amel anery charcoal")...
Other names for the same thing:
charcoal snow
anery blizzard
amel anery charcoal
It would look the same as a Snow or a Blizzard, but you could wait until they're adults and breed out the trait.

[bushsnake]

a snow developes yellow a blizzard doesnt because the snow is made with the anery x albino. The charcoal is an anery too but without the yellow so charcoal(aka anery b)x albino= blizzard

[MojoHerps]

If you bred your snow (amel and anery) to your blizzard (amel and charcoal) you would get all amels het anery and charcoal. Breed the F1s together, amel het anery and charcoal x amel het anery and charcoal and you will get amels, snows, blizzards and amel anery charcoals. I don't know how you would tell the amel anery charcoal apart from the blizzards and the snows which is why you might not be able to find photos of them.

[Caylan]

Would the triple gene snake not be slightly different then the 2 other double gene snakes? Assuming you get one of each in a clutch, then it should be fairly simple, should it not?

[Snakefood]

genetically, it would be different, but I was hoping to be able to tell the difference visually as hatchlings so I would know what to sell them as (I wouldn't be keeping them ALL into adulthood!!)

I'm getting the same problem introducing Butter to the snow line, breeding the F1 generation gives something called an Axanthic Snow. Problem is as a hatchling, it looks just like a snow, and as an adult it looks just like a blizzard!!!!! what do you do with that????

[Snakefood]

See what I mean??


Xanthic hatchling
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Xanthic Adult
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[Caylan]

You just come to learn small visual cues when comparing to other babies in the same clutch, at least thats what I find in ball pythons... I've always like morphs that resemble pretty normals, so I got pretty good at it just because it interests me. You'll find the same once you look through a few examples of what you're talking about... last thing I checked with corns though, when it comes to selling, isn't the price difference usually like maybe $50 for the higher end morphs? I'd just label them as what you think they are/ probable whatever they look like, and price accordingly... the petstores just call them fancy now lol, at least your still a major step up from that!

[Snakefood]

ya, I usually laugh at the petstores!! I'm the one telling them what morph they actually have.

[kernel]

See what I mean??


Xanthic hatchling
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Xanthic Adult
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I agree the adult looks just like a blizzard, but I can see a difference in the hatchling. It has allot more grey on it than a regular snow, especially on the head.

[Snakefood]

hmm, I didn't catch that. At least that's a way to tell though.

thanks

[kernel]

Now this is what I have a hard time telling from a snow

Citrine Hatchling

http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/thumbs/large/elaphe_guttata/citrine/citrine-h.jpg

Citrine Adult

http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/thumbs/large/elaphe_guttata/citrine/citrine-a.jpg

[Snakefood]

ya they look pretty much the same don't they??

[kernel]

Yea, they look almost identical, but citrines are 4 gene animals and snows are only 2. Snow (amel x anery) Citrine (amel x anery x caramel x hypo)

[Shmoges]

a snow developes yellow a blizzard doesnt because the snow is made with the anery x albino. The charcoal is an anery too but without the yellow so charcoal(aka anery b)x albino= blizzard


I was told if a snake has the absence of normal yellow it is axantic like with a ball python?

[Snakefood]

xanthic corns do have the absence of yellow, but so do blizzards, do there is a difference between the gene variations in corns.

the way genes mix are different too, In corns, there is no gene equivalent or dominant to normal. eg: BOTH mom and dad in corns have to have the morph gene for any of the babies to come out as visual morphs, if not they all come out Normal het (_____)

[Donnie]

there is no gene equivalent or dominant to normal
Except for tessera and buf

[Snakefood]

oops, sorry, you're right, I forgot about those as I've never worked with them!!

[Donnie]

I only know as I have recently been doing a bit of looking into tessera's and will be saving up for one for my next snake I think. They are expensive but very hard to resist when you see babies like these ones :)

Multicorn - UK snake breeders tessera corn snake cornsnake palmetto tessera kastanie pied side bloodred corns palmetto pantherophis guttatus (http://WWW.MULTICORN.info/)

[Snakefood]

they are expensive, the one here is like $400. I asked the breeder why she is isn't trying to breed them anymore and she said that is is hard to get what you want out of them.

And I don't know anyone who works with the buff gene

[Donnie]

Over here you are looking at £180 for a normal tessera and if you wanted one of the hypo bloodreds it would set you back £800 (which I suppose is not to bad as they are a world first morph and he is only selling 1 female).

[Snakefood]

sounds about equal, last time I was in Britian, the Canadian dollar was worth about half a pound!!

[rmfsnakes32]

Interesting I got a hatchling albino snow corn she looks very similar to the second pic above