Is this a Jampea? Or any type of dwarf? my first retic

[moshirimon]

Hey guys first off i posted a pic of this guy last week when i first got him and he has calmed down alot, he is almost ball python tame, but moves around more lol.

But i bought this guy as a Het. Albino Jampea Dwarf Retic. He is amazing, i can't explain the intellegence shown by retics. i never thought it was much of a difference until i acutally got one. (i also see this in anacondas). But further research is leading me to think he may not be a Jampea or even a dwarf at all?(Jampeas have silver eyes) Not that this matters for ME but i think it is wrong that breeders are selling snakes falsley labeled. I heard there are many factors between mainlands and dwarfs, such as head shape, pattern, colour etc. From these pictures i would love for you retic experts out there to possibly identify what type of retic this is. I know there are crosses but what locality/subspecies this is leaning more towards.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj6/KINGbiggypac/IMG_8627.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj6/KINGbiggypac/IMG_8622.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj6/KINGbiggypac/IMG_8617.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj6/KINGbiggypac/IMG_8552.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj6/KINGbiggypac/IMG_8547.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj6/KINGbiggypac/IMG_8546.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj6/KINGbiggypac/IMG_8540.jpg

Oh and his name is S t r i n g e r :D (from The Wire)

[alessia55]

******** is beautiful. I can't help you with whether he is Jampea or dwarf... but that is one good-looking retic :yes:

Why is his name being blocked out? Is his name a bad word I've never heard of before? lol

[moshirimon]

Thanks! :) and i`m not sure, i had to space it out lol i actually searched up `What does ******** mean?' on google after seeing it blocked out looolll

[Trent]

Awesome Retic!!

[stevenrudge]

Hey guys first off i posted a pic of this guy last week when i first got him and he has calmed down alot, he is almost ball python tame, but moves around more lol.

But i bought this guy as a Het. Albino Jampea Dwarf Retic. He is amazing, i can't explain the intellegence shown by retics. i never thought it was much of a difference until i acutally got one. (i also see this in anacondas). But further research is leading me to think he may not be a Jampea or even a dwarf at all?(Jampeas have silver eyes) Not that this matters for ME but i think it is wrong that breeders are selling snakes falsley labeled. I heard there are many factors between mainlands and dwarfs, such as head shape, pattern, colour etc. From these pictures i would love for you retic experts out there to possibly identify what type of retic this is. I know there are crosses but what locality/subspecies this is leaning more towards.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj6/KINGbiggypac/IMG_8627.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj6/KINGbiggypac/IMG_8622.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj6/KINGbiggypac/IMG_8617.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj6/KINGbiggypac/IMG_8552.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj6/KINGbiggypac/IMG_8547.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj6/KINGbiggypac/IMG_8546.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj6/KINGbiggypac/IMG_8540.jpg

Oh and his name is S t r i n g e r :D (from The Wire)
You've got a really nice Retic there,it do's not matter if he is not Jampea,you've got to take a lot of this Local classification stuff with a pinch of salt anyway,a real beaut all the same

[bushsnake]

if you bought him as a jampea het albino then thats probably what he is. He is mixed, the albino blood comes from normal mainland retics and the jampea is a dwarf. Your animals appearance is more influenced by the albino bloodline, but probably has jampea blood in it

[Will0W783]

Bushsnake has it correct..the different morphs of the "dwarf" lines have been bred in from mainland snakes. Therefore, they all have mainland blood in the lines at least in the beginning. That being said, the lines are developed enough that you can have albinos that are 85% or more dwarf. Jampea locale snakes do tend to have silver eyes, but much as it is with carpet pythons, it's very hard to get a pure locality retic these days unless you know the entire lineage from imported founders up.

[moshirimon]

You've got a really nice Retic there,it do's not matter if he is not Jampea,you've got to take a lot of this Local classification stuff with a pinch of salt anyway,a real beaut all the same

Thanks and i know it doesnt really change much for me, I just think it would be interesting to know

if you bought him as a jampea het albino then thats probably what he is. He is mixed, the albino blood comes from normal mainland retics and the jampea is a dwarf. Your animals appearance is more influenced by the albino bloodline, but probably has jampea blood in it

Bushsnake has it correct..the different morphs of the "dwarf" lines have been bred in from mainland snakes. Therefore, they all have mainland blood in the lines at least in the beginning. That being said, the lines are developed enough that you can have albinos that are 85% or more dwarf. Jampea locale snakes do tend to have silver eyes, but much as it is with carpet pythons, it's very hard to get a pure locality retic these days unless you know the entire lineage from imported founders up.

That all makes perfect sense, so my retic took more of his mainland side?
so in general what locality would you say my retic most resembles.

[marvelfreak]

But i bought this guy as a Het. Albino Jampea Dwarf Retic. He is amazing, i can't explain the intellegence shown by retics. i never thought it was much of a difference until i acutally got one. (i also see this in anacondas)

Beautiful Retic. I know what you mean about intelligence. Retic and Anacondas both are on a different level when it comes to intelligence than most snakes.

[dave himself]

Like others have said I'm not good with locales but that is a beautiful retic

[moshirimon]

Thanks alot guys!

[moshirimon]

just got in touch with the breeder today. He told me his dwarfs are in fact Jampea but are crossed with Selayer. After doing research these guys do as well stay a little smaller than the giants (around 15 feet). I can see a little bit of resemblance but who really knows if he's telling the truth or not

Just interesting to know

[hellosugaree]

Here is a sure way to tell. Wait 5 years, and if it get's 30 feet long and starts eating cows, you can safely say for all practical purposes it is not a dwarf ;)

[exwizard]

Lmao! You're hilarious!

[TinkerbellsMom]

do they really eat cows xD haha probably not but hey u never know.

you have a VERY beautiful snake, i mean BEAUTIFUL. the eyes are gorgeous

[moshirimon]

thank you!

[millertime89]

Definitely has some Jamp influence in the coloration and patterning. Great looking cross you've got there.

[Mr.Retic]

i think it might be a jampea i have a superjamp and he has orange eyes to

[Ivanator]

Looks like a jamp to me. Maybe even a selayer. If it is het albino then it is definitely not 100% dwarf and definitely has mainland blood in it. Instead of getting the mutations in the dwarfs the hard way by waiting for a morph to be found or randomly pop out of a clutch, breeders take a shortcut by breeding them with the mainlands so any dwarf or super dwarf that is a morph or het for something is always going to have some mainland blood in it.

[millertime89]

breeders take a shortcut by breeding them with the mainlands so any dwarf or super dwarf that is a morph or het for something is always going to have some mainland blood in it.

Not entirely true. Genetic stripe is a selayer morph and goldenchild is also a dwarf morph (not sure where though). Anery has been confirmed in several different dwarf localities, Jampea and SDs at least, and they're compatible.

[Ivanator]

Not entirely true. Genetic stripe is a selayer morph and goldenchild is also a dwarf morph (not sure where though). Anery has been confirmed in several different dwarf localities, Jampea and SDs at least, and they're compatible.

That's right. I completely forgot about the anerys. I think those ones derived from super dwarfs. I thought the goldenchild was found in the wild on the mainland?

[Snakeman8]

it looks like a dawrf, but cant be certain.

[millertime89]

That's right. I completely forgot about the anerys. I think those ones derived from super dwarfs. I thought the goldenchild was found in the wild on the mainland?

Everyone I've spoken with calls GC a dwarf morph. I know there are 5 lines of Anery from different WC animals, but I don't remember who the original breeders were. I know Travis Kubes is proving out the compatibility of the last one with the other 4 this year. IIRC there are two that came from Jampea individuals and 3 that are from SDs. I'll talk with Travis and get it straight.