Luigi :)

[Trollbie]

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll256/Czechish/a28b98e4.jpg
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Note his awesome mustache! :D

[Norm66]

He's quite the cutie. Love the 'stache.

[Trollbie]

Any idea what kind of boa he is?

[Norm66]

Any idea what kind of boa he is?

Some sort of BCI I imagine, but I'm not good with boa localities or even morphs.

[Trollbie]

Some sort of BCI I imagine, but I'm not good with boa localities or even morphs.

That I know, but I'm curious about the locality. I'm not good with those either lol

[BarelyBreathing]

I love him!!

[Trollbie]

I love him!!

I do too! :D

[Rogue628]

Awww....he's a sweet looking boy! :)

If I had to guess I'd say Columbian BCI but not really sure. I'm just now beginning to learn the different localities of both the BCI and BCC. I can be completely wrong.

The one physical trait I've always loved about the redtails is their mustache's. :)

[Trollbie]

To be honest, I'm not exactly sure what the difference between BCC and BCI is. I've looked it up twice already and forgot each time... -_-

[Rogue628]

I'm still a bit confused by it, but I think it's a locality issue (similar to rainbows) as well as coloration, scale count, length, and head shape.

Most BCC's (boa constrictor constrictors) have a true red color on their tails. BCC's are the true redtail boa.

BCI's can have an orange or another off red looking color, are generally smaller as BCC's grow larger.

I used to have a place bookmarked that had pictures of the different BCI's and BCC's but I guess it got deleted because I can't find it now. :(

[alessia55]

Luigi is awesome! :yes:

[Trollbie]

I'm still a bit confused by it, but I think it's a locality issue (similar to rainbows) as well as coloration, scale count, length, and head shape.

Most BCC's (boa constrictor constrictors) have a true red color on their tails. BCC's are the true redtail boa.

BCI's can have an orange or another off red looking color, are generally smaller as BCC's grow larger.

I used to have a place bookmarked that had pictures of the different BCI's and BCC's but I guess it got deleted because I can't find it now. :(

Thanks! I hope Luigi is a BCI then. The smaller the better haha

[Rogue628]

Thanks! I hope Luigi is a BCI then. The smaller the better haha

How much you paid can give you an idea. The cheapest I've seen a BCC rtb go for is a little over 200 for a hatchling. BCI's are typical less expensive (normals).

[CK SandBoas]

Luigi is a very handsome boy! You've got a great start on your collection, Trollbie:D

[Trollbie]

How much you paid can give you an idea. The cheapest I've seen a BCC rtb go for is a little over 200 for a hatchling. BCI's are typical less expensive (normals).

I got him for free! Because Randy must be out of his mind!!!!

[Trollbie]

Luigi is a very handsome boy! You've got a great start on your collection, Trollbie:D

Thank you! :D

[exwizard]

Yeah Luigi is cute. I love that mustache as well :)

[USMCgunner11]

Good looking snake. I'm guessing BCI as well.

[Aaron_S]

He looks like a Columbian boa. As in BCI.

BCC as stated are "true red tails". The most common that I know of are the guyanese and surinam. Both of which as babies have true red tails and a very silverish colouration. BCI do too but they lose it and turn that brown colour whereas the other two tend to keep it longer, especially the guyanas.

[Little Wise Owl]

He has a very expressive face... if that's possible for a snake. lol

[Trollbie]

He looks like a Columbian boa. As in BCI.

BCC as stated are "true red tails". The most common that I know of are the guyanese and surinam. Both of which as babies have true red tails and a very silverish colouration. BCI do too but they lose it and turn that brown colour whereas the other two tend to keep it longer, especially the guyanas.

Thank you!

[Trollbie]

He has a very expressive face... if that's possible for a snake. lol
must be the stache! Haha

[Caylan]

Amassing quite the family of snakes over there, love it! That last picture is awesome!

[Rogue628]

Ahh...I forgot that Randy gave you the two boas. Sorry...overworked and undersleep'd lol

[Trollbie]

Amassing quite the family of snakes over there, love it! That last picture is awesome!

One big happy family! Thanks :)

Ahh...I forgot that Randy gave you the two boas. Sorry...overworked and undersleep'd lol

No worries!

[RandyRhoads]

If you guys are positive on the BCI thing ok, but I was told BCC when I bought them. After all the time with them in person they looked like BCC, but I guess then maybe i've just never seen a true one and only BCI.

[Rogue628]

Randy if I could find that stupid bookmark, you can tell a difference. Although, Colombians, from my understanding can be either. They've been known to be sold as BCC and BCI, but most redtail keepers consider them BCI. It's really not that big of a deal, IMO. The only reason I responded was because she showed interest.

[Trollbie]

If you guys are positive on the BCI thing ok, but I was told BCC when I bought them. After all the time with them in person they looked like BCC, but I guess then maybe i've just never seen a true one and only BCI.

It doesn't really matter either way. I'd rather they be BCI only because BCI stay smaller apparently. But I love them regardless of what they are :D

[RandyRhoads]

Now i'm interested lol.... Doing a bit of reading now. I guess there really isn't that big of a differnce, but that book made them look very different, BCI's almost dull grey with black markings. Now I must know...Trollbie! Start counting scales!!! :)

Just kidding, that sounds like a lot of work.

[Trollbie]

Now i'm interested lol.... Doing a bit of reading now. I guess there really isn't that big of a differnce, but that book made them look very different, BCI's almost dull grey with black markings. Now I must know...Trollbie! Start counting scales!!! :)

Just kidding, that sounds like a lot of work.

Maybe I will tonight! How old is the book?

Welcome Rio Bravo Reptiles (http://www.riobravoreptiles.com/)
Home | Stöckl - Die Nr.1 Boa constrictor Seite im Internet (http://www.boa-constrictors.com/)

I found these. Someone who's had RTBs for more than 4 days please look at them!

I'm confused.

[RandyRhoads]

Amazon.com: Red-Tailed Boas: A Complete Guide to Boa Constrictor (Complete Herp Care) (9780793828883): Ben Aller, Mark K. Bayless, Riley Campbell: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Red-Tailed-Boas-Complete-Guide-Constrictor/dp/0793828880/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1337114766&sr=8-1)

2006.

In the last link you posted, those pictures seem to correspond with what I thought. Look at the pictures of Imperator..

[Trollbie]

Amazon.com: Red-Tailed Boas: A Complete Guide to Boa Constrictor (Complete Herp Care) (9780793828883): Ben Aller, Mark K. Bayless, Riley Campbell: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Red-Tailed-Boas-Complete-Guide-Constrictor/dp/0793828880/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1337114766&sr=8-1)

2006.

In the last link you posted, those pictures seem to correspond with what I thought. Look at the pictures of Imperator..

Well I was also told that BCCs have a red tail throughout their whole life. Luigi's isn't red. And Xena's is more orange than red.

But I don't know, I quit. I'm confused. I'm just gonna refer to them as RTBs :O_o:

[Gungirl]

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/boa-constrictor/87248-boa-constrictor-identification.html

[homocapra]

You've gotta figure too that without knowing his ancestry in captivity he could be a mix of many localities. Most pet snakes in the US are mutts just like us ;)

[RandyRhoads]

Awesome chart Kat.

Very good point homocapra, in fact if Luigi is BCI, there's a chance the mother was a BCC (they did look different) and Xena is a mutt.

[homocapra]

Also, just to warn you, when I was at a show a few months ago I saw 2 enormous boas and I had to ask the breeder if their label was correct because they were so big and girthy, with such huge heads, I thought they could not possibly be male BCIs but he assured me they in fact were and were 10 years old. But by the time he slowly grows to be a giant, you'll be used to him and you won't notice or mind :)

[RandyRhoads]

That's another reason I thought they were BCC, they grew bigger and faster than I tought BCI's did. OH well starting to hijack trollbies thread . :D

[Trollbie]

It's not my thread. It's Luigi's thread! Hijack away until I know what my snakezillas are!

[Trollbie]

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll256/Czechish/db5d6c14.jpg

[Aaron_S]

That's another reason I thought they were BCC, they grew bigger and faster than I tought BCI's did. OH well starting to hijack trollbies thread . :D

Misconception. In fact BCI's grow at a much higher rate than true BCC do. Also, BCC tend to have weaker stomachs. They cannot handle the larger meals that keepers tend to feed their BCI. BCC generally speaking should be kept to the no wider than their girth rule or you'll get constant regurges.

Also, BCI I do believe is also for centrals and nic boas too. I could be wrong as it's been awhile since I've done research on them and I'm home from work so I don't have to time to check that link yet.

[Aaron_S]

Randy if I could find that stupid bookmark, you can tell a difference. Although, Colombians, from my understanding can be either. They've been known to be sold as BCC and BCI, but most redtail keepers consider them BCI. It's really not that big of a deal, IMO. The only reason I responded was because she showed interest.

Not to start a fight or anything but it IS a big deal. Talk to all the locale keepers and they'll tell you how big of a deal it is. Intergrading locales is generally a no-no(we won't get into the albino BCO and Suri's) when people want a pure surinam that is going to grow and look like one.

[Rogue628]

I can understand where it would be a huge deal to breeders. However, I have no intentions in breeding any of my animals. So, IMO, it's no big deal. ;)

If Trollbie decided to breed at a later date, then she really would need to understand what her animals are.

And IIRC, central and nics are BCI's. I really wish I could find that link again with all the pics of the main localities and if they're BCC or BCI. When you get home and are able to check that link, could you please post it? I'm really interested in the different localities and which ones are what morphs. I'm still learning so any knowledge that can be thrown out is greatly appreciated. :)

[homocapra]

IMO as a conservation educator, the only pure localities that matter for real on the planet are wild and live in the wild. Snakes look they way they do because they are shaped by evolution for survival. In captivity, they are shaped by us for amusement. Our pets, those of us who care about them as real living creatures, not products will love and keep them no matter what they are.

[Trollbie]

IMO as a conservation educator, the only pure localities that matter for real on the planet are wild and live in the wild. Snakes look they way they do because they are shaped by evolution for survival. In captivity, they are shaped by us for amusement. Our pets, those of us who care about them as real living creatures, not products will love and keep them no matter what they are.

I agree 100%!

[Rogue628]

IMO as a conservation educator, the only pure localities that matter for real on the planet are wild and live in the wild. Snakes look they way they do because they are shaped by evolution for survival. In captivity, they are shaped by us for amusement. Our pets, those of us who care about them as real living creatures, not products will love and keep them no matter what they are.

Outstanding point. Never looked at it like that.

[Aaron_S]

IMO as a conservation educator, the only pure localities that matter for real on the planet are wild and live in the wild. Snakes look they way they do because they are shaped by evolution for survival. In captivity, they are shaped by us for amusement. Our pets, those of us who care about them as real living creatures, not products will love and keep them no matter what they are.

So apparently because I care about locales and morphs I don't love my animals because I happen to always have loved snakes? Hmm, I didn't tattoo one to my back because they are "product".

Personally, I believe, as a conservation educator you should care most about keeping locales pure. If not, then what the hell are zoos doing with all of that money on conservation efforts and breeding programs? What's the point in keeping anything seperate? Might as well just toss everything together in one giant room so we just get a single snake and no one has to have any preference.

Until locales were defined people just threw tons of carpets together because they were all "carpet pythons". Now we have at least 3 locales in IJ, jungle and coastals. Most of which have been muddled due to previous lack of knowledge and breeding "for amusement"...not to learn or anything...no body does that anymore...

[Trollbie]

So apparently because I care about locales and morphs I don't love my animals because I happen to always have loved snakes? Hmm, I didn't tattoo one to my back because they are "product".

Personally, I believe, as a conservation educator you should care most about keeping locales pure. If not, then what the hell are zoos doing with all of that money on conservation efforts and breeding programs? What's the point in keeping anything seperate? Might as well just toss everything together in one giant room so we just get a single snake and no one has to have any preference.

Until locales were defined people just threw tons of carpets together because they were all "carpet pythons". Now we have at least 3 locales in IJ, jungle and coastals. Most of which have been muddled due to previous lack of knowledge and breeding "for amusement"...not to learn or anything...no body does that anymore...

I think the main point was that I don't intend to breed, so as much as I'd love to know what make snakes are, it doesn't really matter.

I do agree that for conservation efforts you want to keep them pure, but I think she meant that when we have them as pets, we do not intend to breed them for conservation efforts? As in we don't plan on releasing them back into the wild. That's how I understood it anyway.

[mykee]

What, are you stupid Aaron?!
As long as we love it it shouldn't matter what it is.
ROTFL!!
This thread went dumb...

[Trollbie]

Well can we pleas get it back to Luigi and whether he's a BCC or BCI?

[Aaron_S]

I think the main point was that I don't intend to breed, so as much as I'd love to know what make snakes are, it doesn't really matter.

I do agree that for conservation efforts you want to keep them pure, but I think she meant that when we have them as pets, we do not intend to breed them for conservation efforts? As in we don't plan on releasing them back into the wild. That's how I understood it anyway.

You should always know what you have.

I'm going to call your local PD and say you have illegal snakes. You don't know what they are and thus have no proof that they AREN'T illegal. Fantastic. The lawmakers have more fire power because we don't care about anything we own to even know what it is...a snake is a snake is a snake.

[Aaron_S]

Well can we pleas get it back to Luigi and whether he's a BCC or BCI?

Already told you. Do the rest of your research and ask Randy to help track where he came from is my best suggestion. He has the signs of a BCI.

[mykee]

Ooh, sik burn Aaron!!!

[Trollbie]

You should always know what you have.

I'm going to call your local PD and say you have illegal snakes. You don't know what they are and thus have no proof that they AREN'T illegal. Fantastic. The lawmakers have more fire power because we don't care about anything we own to even know what it is...a snake is a snake is a snake.

Well that is a good point, but as far as I know, I don't have to worry about it because both BCC and BCI are legal.

[Trollbie]

Already told you. Do the rest of your research and ask Randy to help track where he came from is my best suggestion. He has the signs of a BCI.

I think I should just start counting scales...

[Aaron_S]

Well that is a good point, but as far as I know, I don't have to worry about it because both BCC and BCI are legal.

Currently...before you came along two months ago there was a HUGE legal fight in the states in regards to the "big 9" which included BCI and BCC. I believe they are currently excluded but you never know when those bills will resurface again.

Go look up USARK and I'm sure it's on here or google or wiki. Tons of info on that whole can of worms.

[Aaron_S]

I think I should just start counting scales...

Head scales are easiest to tell between to the locales. Personally, just check for Columbian, Nic and Central. I can almost guarantee it's Columbian.

[mykee]

Holy crap, I just realized that Trollbie wasn`t even around a few months ago when all that junk was going on and now she has over 2100 posts. Trollbie, it`s nice outside, quit sitting in front of your computer and get some sunlight. Maybe make a friend, go for a walk...

[RandyRhoads]

Here's mom.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d86/randy666rhoads/100_0899.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d86/randy666rhoads/100_1586.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d86/randy666rhoads/100_1584.jpg

[homocapra]

So apparently because I care about locales and morphs I don't love my animals because I happen to always have loved snakes? Hmm, I didn't tattoo one to my back because they are "product".

Personally, I believe, as a conservation educator you should care most about keeping locales pure. If not, then what the hell are zoos doing with all of that money on conservation efforts and breeding programs? What's the point in keeping anything seperate? Might as well just toss everything together in one giant room so we just get a single snake and no one has to have any preference.

Until locales were defined people just threw tons of carpets together because they were all "carpet pythons". Now we have at least 3 locales in IJ, jungle and coastals. Most of which have been muddled due to previous lack of knowledge and breeding "for amusement"...not to learn or anything...no body does that anymore...

Almost nothing bred in zoos or bred by private breeders can or will ever be released into the wild. The point of zoos is education and to inspire appreciation for wild life and wild places. Endangered and threatened species are bred carefully to ensure genetic diversity and to ensure the genetic health of the captive population. No boa bred in North America for the pet trade is part of a Species Survival Plan. Carpet pythons in this country are mutts and it makes no difference in the survival of wild carpets in their native habitats. The best thing that has happened for them is the ban on exporting because the pet trade was a problem. Snake breeding is a hobby or a business, it's not going to save the world, in fact in some cases it's a real problem.

I don't know if you love your snakes or not. I hope you do because there are too many snakes in captivity who are mistreated and unwanted. Too many people think snakes are just cool and treat them like collectors items. I don't see what tattoos have to do with it. My brother-in-law has zombie animals all over his body, does that mean he loves zombie chickens? I do know you're being a snob and that this thread is not about "pure localities" or "morphs". It's about Luigi who is a super cute boa constrictor who will have a home no matter what so it really doesn't matter what he is exactly, it's just fun to speculate. So lighten up!

[Trollbie]

Holy crap, I just realized that Trollbie wasn`t even around a few months ago when all that junk was going on and now she has over 2100 posts. Trollbie, it`s nice outside, quit sitting in front of your computer and get some sunlight. Maybe make a friend, go for a walk...

So much for this thread went stupid fast, eh? I didn't know that post count is reflective of one's personal life... Anyway, I'm seeking advice regarding my snakes, not how I should live my life. But thanks for the thought!

[Aaron_S]

Almost nothing bred in zoos or bred by private breeders can or will ever be released into the wild. The point of zoos is education and to inspire appreciation for wild life and wild places. Endangered and threatened species are bred carefully to ensure genetic diversity and to ensure the genetic health of the captive population. No boa bred in North America for the pet trade is part of a Species Survival Plan. Carpet pythons in this country are mutts and it makes no difference in the survival of wild carpets in their native habitats. The best thing that has happened for them is the ban on exporting because the pet trade was a problem. Snake breeding is a hobby or a business, it's not going to save the world, in fact in some cases it's a real problem.

I don't know if you love your snakes or not. I hope you do because there are too many snakes in captivity who are mistreated and unwanted. Too many people think snakes are just cool and treat them like collectors items. I don't see what tattoos have to do with it. My brother-in-law has zombie animals all over his body, does that mean he loves zombie chickens? I do know you're being a snob and that this thread is not about "pure localities" or "morphs". It's about Luigi who is a super cute boa constrictor who will have a home no matter what so it really doesn't matter what he is exactly, it's just fun to speculate. So lighten up!

I never said anything about species survival plans. I know full well what they are and how they work. I also know what private breeders and zoos do. In fact they do help wild populations. The reason they do is so that less is taken from the wild for the pet trade. I also know and will have to look up, but there have been cases where private breeding has accomplished what zoos and survival programs couldn't. The captive breeding of animals in endanger.


You can call me a snob and whatever else but I didn't bring up the "product" topic, you did. I just responded to it in the way it came across. I have posted my thoughts and FACTS in regards to luigi and his origins. You came in with a completely off track topic and didn't even respond to any facts OR speculate. Why speculate when we can have facts?

In regards to the parents, both are good looking BCI, columbian it looks like. The father could easily pass as a "pastel" I'm sure as well.

[Trollbie]

Currently...before you came along two months ago there was a HUGE legal fight in the states in regards to the "big 9" which included BCI and BCC. I believe they are currently excluded but you never know when those bills will resurface again.

Go look up USARK and I'm sure it's on here or google or wiki. Tons of info on that whole can of worms.

Head scales are easiest to tell between to the locales. Personally, just check for Columbian, Nic and Central. I can almost guarantee it's Columbian.

I was aware of the the fight because I overhears a couple local snake keepers discussing it. I'll explore USARK when I get home because it's kinda hard and annoying to navigate from my phone. But thanks!

And I will look at the head scales tonight. Where is the best place to I can refer to?

[Trollbie]

I never said anything about species survival plans. I know full well what they are and how they work. I also know what private breeders and zoos do. In fact they do help wild populations. The reason they do is so that less is taken from the wild for the pet trade. I also know and will have to look up, but there have been cases where private breeding has accomplished what zoos and survival programs couldn't. The captive breeding of animals in endanger.


You can call me a snob and whatever else but I didn't bring up the "product" topic, you did. I just responded to it in the way it came across. I have posted my thoughts and FACTS in regards to luigi and his origins. You came in with a completely off track topic and didn't even respond to any facts OR speculate. Why speculate when we can have facts?

In regards to the parents, both are good looking BCI, columbian it looks like. The father could easily pass as a "pastel" I'm sure as well.

So Xena is probably gonna grow up to be the color of the parents? Or is there a chance she will keep her silver color?

Genetics is something I have not explored yet so forgive me if this is a stupid question.

[homocapra]

Here's mom.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d86/randy666rhoads/100_0899.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d86/randy666rhoads/100_1586.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d86/randy666rhoads/100_1584.jpg

Is this Xena's mom?

Oh, sorry for copying the pics again.

[RandyRhoads]

Is this Xena's mom?



Yes, that is Luigi and Brandi, Xenas parents.

[Aaron_S]

So Xena is probably gonna grow up to be the color of the parents? Or is there a chance she will keep her silver color?

Genetics is something I have not explored yet so forgive me if this is a stupid question.

You'll have to find a good reference for scale counts. I don't normally do them so you'll have to find more recent websites than the ones you posted. Check Jeremy Stone's site or google/wiki it. The boaphile may have it too. I honestly don't know where to find upto date info in this regard.

If those ARE her parents then she won't keep her silver. You'd need to look into a bolivian boa (hey look! locale names coming in handy) They are known for their silver colouration into adulthood if memory serves correct.

[RandyRhoads]

If those ARE her parents then she won't keep her silver.

Well I certainly didn't pop out Xena, yes they ARE her parents...:yes:

[Trollbie]

You'll have to find a good reference for scale counts. I don't normally do them so you'll have to find more recent websites than the ones you posted. Check Jeremy Stone's site or google/wiki it. The boaphile may have it too. I honestly don't know where to find upto date info in this regard.

If those ARE her parents then she won't keep her silver. You'd need to look into a bolivian boa (hey look! locale names coming in handy) They are known for their silver colouration into adulthood if memory serves correct.

Ok thanks!

[jaleely]

I have a Bolivian boa :) Bolivian boas are the only ones that stay silver..some being originally dark, others being light, all keep a pink sheen.

And I think Luigi is ADORABLE. Brandi was cute too...poor thing.
I think both have this really rounded cute super cute faces. Xena probably will too. Don'tknow about color.

[Trollbie]

I have a Bolivian boa :) Bolivian boas are the only ones that stay silver..some being originally dark, others being light, all keep a pink sheen.

And I think Luigi is ADORABLE. Brandi was cute too...poor thing.
I think both have this really rounded cute super cute faces. Xena probably will too. Don'tknow about color.

His head reminds me of a Pitbull haha. Xena definitely inherited Luigi's mustache. That's for sure :D

[jaleely]

pits do have rounded heads! Kind of a "puppy" look to them, most of the time. My basset is what i thought of right away when i saw Luigi...great minds think alike! Little puppy faces!!! soo cute!
I think it's a puppy boa species local ala trollbie's house. : )

[Trollbie]

pits do have rounded heads! Kind of a "puppy" look to them, most of the time. My basset is what i thought of right away when i saw Luigi...great minds think alike! Little puppy faces!!! soo cute!
I think it's a puppy boa species local ala trollbie's house. : )

I always thought boas and pythons had puppy looking heads :D Some just more than others.
And I'll take that classification! Lolz

[lumpbump]

LoL love the stash! His eyes are huge! I remember looking at boa constrictors and was like hey, they have an awesome stash! haha thats probably why I got my first one ;). Theres a locality who has bigger than usual eyes...

[Trollbie]

LoL love the stash! His eyes are huge! I remember looking at boa constrictors and was like hey, they have an awesome stash! haha thats probably why I got my first one ;). Theres a locality who has bigger than usual eyes...

Thanks! :D

[lumpbump]

holy crap, i just realized that trollbie wasn`t even around a few months ago when all that junk was going on and now she has over 2100 posts. Trollbie, it`s nice outside, quit sitting in front of your computer and get some sunlight. Maybe make a friend, go for a walk...

hahahahaha I joined the same time as you Trollbie and ive only got 33 posts. Wow theres not enough time to do all the stuff I want to. So hey I uhh have like 4 awesome rat breeding projects going on right now...

[lumpbump]

almost nothing bred in zoos or bred by private breeders can or will ever be released into the wild. The point of zoos is education and to inspire appreciation for wild life and wild places. Endangered and threatened species are bred carefully to ensure genetic diversity and to ensure the genetic health of the captive population. No boa bred in north america for the pet trade is part of a species survival plan. Carpet pythons in this country are mutts and it makes no difference in the survival of wild carpets in their native habitats. The best thing that has happened for them is the ban on exporting because the pet trade was a problem. Snake breeding is a hobby or a business, it's not going to save the world, in fact in some cases it's a real problem.

I don't know if you love your snakes or not. I hope you do because there are too many snakes in captivity who are mistreated and unwanted. Too many people think snakes are just cool and treat them like collectors items. I don't see what tattoos have to do with it. My brother-in-law has zombie animals all over his body, does that mean he loves zombie chickens? I do know you're being a snob and that this thread is not about "pure localities" or "morphs". It's about luigi who is a super cute boa constrictor who will have a home no matter what so it really doesn't matter what he is exactly, it's just fun to speculate. So lighten up!


I like zombie chickens

[Trollbie]

hahahahaha I joined the same time as you Trollbie and ive only got 33 posts. Wow theres not enough time to do all the stuff I want to. So hey I uhh have like 4 awesome rat breeding projects going on right now...

I post when I'm bored in lecture or during hw/study breaks. It's a good way for my brain to get a break.

[millertime89]

I like zombie chickens

ZOMBIE CHICKENS!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/69244_4020484839650_1507301615_33452597_2114828065 _n.jpg

[Trollbie]

Isn't that a parrot?

[millertime89]

I dunno, saw it on fb then read this thread, felt relevant.

[lumpbump]

ZOMBIE CHICKENS!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/69244_4020484839650_1507301615_33452597_2114828065 _n.jpg

Ahahahahahahaha. If its wrong for profanity im sorry but my defense is Ignorance! say no to the ban ;)

[homocapra]

ZOMBIE CHICKENS!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/69244_4020484839650_1507301615_33452597_2114828065 _n.jpg

Awww poor, angry plucker.

[Gungirl]

That appears to be a naked umbrella cockatoo... Oh my :hmm: lol

[Trollbie]

That appears to be a naked umbrella cockatoo... Oh my :hmm: lol

Don't they only get naked like that when they're sick?

[Gungirl]

Don't they only get naked like that when they're sick?

They will pluck when sick, stressed, bored, skin issues and many more reasons.

[Jay]

This is not a "Rtb"

[Trollbie]

This is not a "Rtb"

Maybe not the true RTB...

[Jay]

Red tailed boa is just a term used by uneducated folk, it sounds more appealing then Colomian boa constrictor.

[Trollbie]

Red tailed boa is just a term used by uneducated folk, it sounds more appealing then Colomian boa constrictor.

I agree. But the main reason I'm calling them RTB is because I'm not exactly sure yet whether they're BCC or BCI. And since RTB is commonly used even though it may not be correct, I wanted to call them something "general" until I know for sure what they are.

[Jay]

You will never know for sure, they are most definatly not pure bcc. Your just being misleading.

[Trollbie]

You will never know for sure, they are most definatly not pure bcc. Your just being misleading.

How am I being misleading if there's a whole discussion on it because I asked people's opinion on what they are? I guess I can put it in quotation marks in my siggy... But I don't see how I'm being misleading.