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Squirtle
05-03-12, 06:46 PM
Please take a look at this and help if you can, not mine but I felt bad reading it.
Crocodile monitor for free (http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/pet/2994863388.html)
Already on it. Really, really don't like croc monitor importer/breeders. As soon as I find out who sold him this animal Im contacting them immediately.
Wiggles92
05-03-12, 07:33 PM
If it really is CBB, then it had to have cost the guy a decent chunk of change although it looks like he put more money into getting the monitor than into providing it with proper caging...
Going to see him tomorrow evening. Sounds like its in pretty bad shape, but will hopefully be able to nurse it back to health and find a good home for him.
Bradyloach
05-03-12, 07:48 PM
Yay jarich
BarelyBreathing
05-03-12, 07:56 PM
Good luck, Jarich.
Its not sounding very good, but hopefully its somehow strong enough to pull through. Severely dehydrated by the look and sound of it, plus there is some issue with its back legs. Ill be taking it straight to the vet.
BarelyBreathing
05-03-12, 08:07 PM
That's good. Pehaps he could inject some calcium and sub-cue?
Great...Me & Squirtle Were Just Speaking About This....
The Best Of luck Jarich hopefully he's not that bad the poor guy
Wiggles92
05-03-12, 08:21 PM
I'd give it a good soak for sure if it's that badly dehydrated. I bet that the issue lies with the husbandry of the monitor.
Agree with Wiggles...Some Water & A good soak along with the right temps in a good enclosure with alot of calcium and food and he should bounce right back in no time
youngster
05-03-12, 08:31 PM
Props Jarich, good for you (and the lizard).
Bradyloach
05-03-12, 08:34 PM
Your gonna fall in love and have another monitor :)
Wiggles92
05-03-12, 08:50 PM
Your gonna fall in love and have another monitor :)
x2.
Just be prepared to be caring for what is potentially the longest species of monitor out there. :D
Squirtle
05-03-12, 09:00 PM
told K that since no one is responding to my thread, he should have a talk with the owner and maybe pick it up. He doesn't have to anymore :) thanks a lot guys.
infernalis
05-03-12, 09:07 PM
Soaking??? sorry osmosis does not work on animals.
A subcutaneous infusion of Normosol-R will likely be needed.
This is a procedure where electrolytes are pumped through an IV catheter directly under the animal's skin.
Wiggles92
05-03-12, 09:21 PM
Soaking??? sorry osmosis does not work on animals.
A subcutaneous infusion of Normosol-R will likely be needed.
This is a procedure where electrolytes are pumped through an IV catheter directly under the animal's skin.
Soaking would be more for its therapeutic value rather than for hydration (although a minute amount of water can be absorbed through the cloaca); heavy misting would probably be more ideal for this species, though, as some individuals are purported to prefer that to standing water.
The owner also mentioned in the ad that defecation had been a problem, so a warm soak could help with that, too; we all know how monitors love to defecate in their water bowls.
Gregg M
05-04-12, 06:09 AM
Soaking??? sorry osmosis does not work on animals. It does work for things like prolapses.
Soaking would be more for its therapeutic value rather than for hydration (although a minute amount of water can be absorbed through the cloaca); heavy misting would probably be more ideal for this species, though, as some individuals are purported to prefer that to standing water.
The owner also mentioned in the ad that defecation had been a problem, so a warm soak could help with that, too; we all know how monitors love to defecate in their water bowls.
Actually soaking can and does hydrate reptiles. What they absorb is not minute. Once on the right track with housing, you would "mist" this species. Not to help hydrate, but to help it stay hydrated. Big differnce.
Soaking is not a cure for dehydration but it is a good start. Not only will they absorb some moisture through their cloaca, but it also forces them to drink.
Jarich,
You are a better man than me. Personally, I would never take in a rescue.
I have to be completely honest, Gregg, given what he said on the phone last night I dont expect the animal to live. Its been in poor housing for a year and a half, and Im guessing the organ damage will be severe.
And in reference to some of the other comments, no, there is no way I am keeping him permanently. As much as Id love a croc, Id be ridiculously irresponsible to take it permanently. They require about a 4 meter by 4 meter cage as adults, and I cant provide that in NYC. (That would nearly be half my apartment! :D) Ive already sent out some requests to Long Island for places to give him a home. If that fails, I may try to contact the zoos.
Squirtle, are you and K here in NYC?
I agree with Greg,and this is an individual thing.If you have a choice between a healthy animal and a compromised individual you are setting yourself up for a negative experience.An enthuiastic beginner could save a healthy monitor from getting in the wrong hands.
And it's only a rescue if you can actually help the animal,beginners don't normally have the capacity.Having a positive experience keeps you in the game so you can possibly get the skills to actually save abused animals.
Yeah Jarich Were In N.Y.C But I'm Back And Fourth Between Brooklyn And Pennsylvania in Reading
Too funny, I had no idea. Well, as soon as my new place opens, Ill have to get you guys in for a beer or two.
youngster
05-04-12, 09:16 AM
Too funny, I had no idea. Well, as soon as my new place opens, Ill have to get you guys in for a beer or two.
Pretty sure Squirtle is closer to my age ;)
Wiggles92
05-04-12, 09:58 AM
I have to be completely honest, Gregg, given what he said on the phone last night I dont expect the animal to live. Its been in poor housing for a year and a half, and Im guessing the organ damage will be severe.
And in reference to some of the other comments, no, there is no way I am keeping him permanently. As much as Id love a croc, Id be ridiculously irresponsible to take it permanently. They require about a 4 meter by 4 meter cage as adults, and I cant provide that in NYC. (That would nearly be half my apartment! :D) Ive already sent out some requests to Long Island for places to give him a home. If that fails, I may try to contact the zoos.
Squirtle, are you and K here in NYC?
Out of curiosity, what are you going to keep it in while you have it?
Also, aren't croc monitors regulated in New York, especially NYC? Might be something to keep in mind in order to prevent the vet from screwing you over as some will do that. I'm not saying that you shouldn't try to save it, but you'll have to be extra careful to avoid any trouble with the state.
Pretty sure Squirtle is closer to my age ;)
Ah! Well that would be a problem then. Sorry Squirtle, no beer for you!
And yes, these guys are illegal in NYC; yet another reason I will not be keeping him.
Squirtle
05-04-12, 04:11 PM
I have to be completely honest, Gregg, given what he said on the phone last night I dont expect the animal to live. Its been in poor housing for a year and a half, and Im guessing the organ damage will be severe.
And in reference to some of the other comments, no, there is no way I am keeping him permanently. As much as Id love a croc, Id be ridiculously irresponsible to take it permanently. They require about a 4 meter by 4 meter cage as adults, and I cant provide that in NYC. (That would nearly be half my apartment! :D) Ive already sent out some requests to Long Island for places to give him a home. If that fails, I may try to contact the zoos.
Squirtle, are you and K here in NYC?
Mhm, I'm in Bronx, NY and K's in Brooklyn, NY. I would've taken him in if I were older and researched but I've no idea on the care of Crocodile Monitors.. and my parents think two snakes and a dog is enough :p thank you for being so awesome man.
Ugh, well that was really sad. He is a nice guy but just has provided horrific husbandry. I think the worst part was listening to him tell me he is a 'monitor guy' and has kept numerous species. Im taking it to the vet first thing tomorrow morning, but I'm pretty sure it will be to euthanize it. It's hemipenes are everted and apparently have been for 'a few months'. It's crazy how much these animals can endure. It stopped eating about two weeks ago, and hasn't defecated for quite a long time. He lets it run around his house the entire time except at night when it gets put in a two foot by three foot glass case with a mat in the bottom. I brought my temp gun with me, and it's only basking spot was at 88 degrees. I literally have no idea how this animal lived for 20 months, and grown to five feet long.
The crazy thing is that it is so beautiful. Its an absolutely gorgeous lizard, and so aware. I understand now why they are considered the smartest monitor. That lizard was watching me! I mean, I looked in his eyes and he was looking right back into mine. So freakin cool. And that prehensile tail is so amazing! I took some pictures so I'll post more when I get back home.
He also has an albino cobra. I nearly s$&@ myself when he brought it out of the tub because he didn't tell me what he was doing. I thought he asked if I wanted to see his coral snake. Needless to say, when he brought out this hissing, pissed-off, 6 ft long cobra I'm sure the look on my face must have been priceless. Not a guy I trust handling an angry cobra around me!
Funny side note; he told me he was looking for a lace monitor. He said he found 'a guy in Arizona' that breeds them, however the guy wouldn't sell it to him until he knew what conditions it would be kept in. When this guy told him he wanted to let it roam his apartment, the guy told him no. Frank, you have my respect there, for what it's worth.
infernalis
05-04-12, 07:10 PM
That was hard to read...
BarelyBreathing
05-04-12, 07:17 PM
Wow, poor fellow.
It was hard to see. Here they are:
http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff412/jrichholt/photo-1.jpg
http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff412/jrichholt/photo-3.jpg
http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff412/jrichholt/photo-2.jpg
KORBIN5895
05-04-12, 08:09 PM
Is that snakes tail clipped?
No I think it was just under the substrate during that picture. It has a normal tail. (Took me a second to realize what you were asking! I sat here for a while thinking, 'what is a snakes rail?' )
Bradyloach
05-04-12, 08:15 PM
People like this shouldn't take in reptiles. I hope it goes well with the vet. Hopefully he isn't suffering to much :(
BarelyBreathing
05-04-12, 08:25 PM
The bad news is, he looks bad. The good news is he doesn't look AS bad as I expected.
Squirtle
05-04-12, 10:09 PM
Is he with you now? make sure to keep us updated! and thanks for attempting to save a life!
exwizard
05-05-12, 05:33 AM
http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff412/jrichholt/photo-3.jpg
http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff412/jrichholt/photo-2.jpg
How do you clean the enclosure to something like that? Sorry for the momentary stray. I too am curious about the croc monitor. Hows he doing now?
On the way to the appointment this morning he called to tell me it took a turn for the worse last night and he didn't think it would make the trip. I tried talking him into at least bringing it in to be euthanized but he said he couldn't afford it. I told him he shouldn't get any further monitors. I tried to explain that they require more than he can accommodate, but I'm not sure if it really sunk in. Brutal experience.
This is honestly horrible.... How can you keep them in those types of conditions is beyond me....
Side note: Jarich I got the cooler : ) lol squirtle Can come along and have no alcoholic beverages
Gregg M
05-05-12, 10:41 AM
Funny side note; he told me he was looking for a lace monitor. He said he found 'a guy in Arizona' that breeds them, however the guy wouldn't sell it to him until he knew what conditions it would be kept in. When this guy told him he wanted to let it roam his apartment, the guy told him no. Frank, you have my respect there, for what it's worth.
Whats even funnier is Frank does not even have lace monitors anymore. Hasnt for years.
Even that super easy to keep cobra is in bad shape. This guy is an a$$. Ask him if he wants to rehome that as well. I bet you anything it is a venomoid.
Ya I asked him further about the lace, and it turns out that's why he got his black throat (the monitor he had before this). That one was taken away from him, along with his entire collection, when he got bit by his western diamondback at the time. The cops were called when he showed up at the hospital with the wound.
As for the cobra, check out the glass in the second picture closely. Just to the right, around his tail, and above to the left, you can see venom on the glass. That was one really angry cobra! That thing moved SO fast too. Not just when it struck, but the entire time it was moving, it was so quick.
infernalis
05-05-12, 11:52 AM
Funny side note; he told me he was looking for a lace monitor. He said he found 'a guy in Arizona' that breeds them, however the guy wouldn't sell it to him until he knew what conditions it would be kept in. When this guy told him he wanted to let it roam his apartment, the guy told him no. Frank, you have my respect there, for what it's worth.
Smoke and mirrors...
millertime89
05-05-12, 11:57 AM
I just don't get people like this...
poor cobra, and its looks so good. All he's doing is condemning his animals to death buy continuing to purchase them and giving the industry a black eye. SMH.
Will0W783
05-05-12, 07:42 PM
Awful- just so sad. Some people make me sick- if he can't afford the care for his animals, he shouldn't have them!! That cage is completely inappropriate for a cobra- it needs a front opening, deeper cage that can hold humidity, and a bigger water bowl and hide....and an owner that understands the gravity of owning a deadly snake like that....
And that poor monitor....smh. So sad :(
BarelyBreathing
05-05-12, 08:39 PM
Truly disgusting.
Squirtle
05-06-12, 01:26 PM
any updates on how the guy's doing?
Wiggles92
05-07-12, 07:15 PM
Any word on the poor monitor?
Are you going to turn the guy in? Sure, he gave up the monitor willingly, but he still has that cobra and has been busted before yet obviously didn't learn from it.
infernalis
05-08-12, 07:37 AM
Any word on the poor monitor?
Are you going to turn the guy in? Sure, he gave up the monitor willingly, but he still has that cobra and has been busted before yet obviously didn't learn from it.
Here is the negative side to that, Once the reputation starts spreading around, then no one will have you "stop over" anymore.
AjaMichelle
05-08-12, 02:55 PM
That's awful. :( it makes me sick.
No I will not be turning him in. He is a genuinely nice guy, and is wanting to make the changes necessary to get his animals healthy again. Id much rather help him help the animals than turn him in and see them all put down.
Wiggles92
05-09-12, 11:35 PM
No I will not be turning him in. He is a genuinely nice guy, and is wanting to make the changes necessary to get his animals healthy again. Id much rather help him help the animals than turn him in and see them all put down.
Valid point.
It just seemed concerning to me that he was willing to break the law after being busted before and provide inadequate care as well; it wouldn't bother me as much if he was at least caring for the animals properly.
sad stuff i get on and read about animal cruelity and monitors eating people. i swear people can be stupid at times.
Gregg M
05-17-12, 06:00 PM
No I will not be turning him in. He is a genuinely nice guy, and is wanting to make the changes necessary to get his animals healthy again. Id much rather help him help the animals than turn him in and see them all put down.
Being that I am one of the few in NY still permitted to keep venomous, if you did turn him in, I would most likely be getting the confiscated cobra. LOL
millertime89
05-17-12, 10:04 PM
Being that I am one of the few in NY still permitted to keep venomous, if you did turn him in, I would most likely be getting the confiscated cobra. LOL
Do you get surrendered hots often?
Seems this thread has run its course, so I don't think a little off topic discussion will hurt.
Gregg M
05-18-12, 08:00 AM
Do you get surrendered hots often?
Seems this thread has run its course, so I don't think a little off topic discussion will hurt.
Nothing lately thank god. But I have gotten quite a few back in the day.
Didn't know you kept hots man. Ever mentored anyone?
Gregg M
05-18-12, 03:31 PM
Didn't know you kept hots man. Ever mentored anyone?
I was one of the bigger Bitis breeders on the East coast man. LOL. Wrote a few articles and headed some breeding projects. I have a seven year old daughter so I do not keep any in my home anymore. Once she is old enough, I will be back into it hardcore.
I have taught 2 people how to handle hots in the private sector. I am very picky about who gets my time when it comes to that. The people need to really be serious and responsible.
Ha! You might be raising your next pupil.
Wiggles92
05-18-12, 11:07 PM
Any updates on the monitor?
Terranaut
05-19-12, 12:09 AM
I am loving how this thread has moved slightly away but then someone asks about the monitor. Shows whats important here. (not that the cobra and hots aren't cool but...)
So , did he survive? Will he? Beautiful monitor. I can't help the way my gut turns when I read stuff like this. Even nice people can suck and be accidentaly very cruel.
Well?? Update please ??? :(
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