Gravid Nelson's

[TremTricolors]

Bred this one to an amel hypo-e. Looking forward to producing some Chocolate patternless pumpkins.
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/tpluspatternlessfemalepaint.jpg
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/tpluspatternlessfemale3paint.jpg

[theapexgerman]

What an pretty snake your one lucky person

[Trollbie]

That is not like any Nelson's I've ever seen!

[TremTricolors]

It's actually a nelsoni/sinaloae. The chocolate color is the Tplus gene from nelsoni and the patternless is from a sinaloae line. I bred her to another nelsoni/sinaloae, which is amelanistic from nelsoni and hypo-e which makes the red a more orange/pumpkin color from sinaloae's.

I don't think there are many out there. I know there maybe a few breeders that have produced them but haven't offered them for sale yet.

[Trollbie]

I'd love to see your entire collection! How many snakes do you have total?

[theapexgerman]

He posted quite an bit of his collection but not all of it tho

[TremTricolors]

I'd love to see your entire collection! How many snakes do you have total?

Just adults, over 100. I have 30, 2010 animals that will be able to breed next year and I have 35 from 2011 that will possibly breed the year after. So, in total probably close to 200, I can count them all if you want. I do have some left over hatchlings from last year and the year before. I am trying to get pics of all my breeders and sub-adults. It just takes time and right now I am to busy cleaning and feeding.LOL
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/FirstThayeri2011003.jpg

[theapexgerman]

Lol I couldn't keep up with 200 snakes lol

[Jlassiter]

It is alot of work but if you are set up correct without aquariums and such it isn't that bad at all.......I just counted last night and I have 239.....LOL........

20 or so will be leaving in a few months though.......

[Jlassiter]

BTW Jimmy...that thing is killer....I didn't know you had that!

[theapexgerman]

I'm in the process of switching over to racks I'm running out of room

[TremTricolors]

BTW Jimmy...that thing is killer....I didn't know you had that!

That's a female het melanistic I produced last year. She held off eating all the way until spring. She is now pounding F/T. I won't have that trio ready until 2014 to try and prove out them out.
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/FirstThayeri2011002.jpg

[TremTricolors]

Lol I couldn't keep up with 200 snakes lol
As John stated it really isn't hard you kinda get down a schedule. It's during the spring when I feed all the females heavy and in the fall when you have an extra 100 plus hatchlings is when it gets kinda hairy. This is only a hobby for me so I enjoy every minute of the time I am in the snake room. When it starts to feel like a job is when it will stop growing.
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/hypo002.jpg

[theapexgerman]

I wouldn't mine seeing your snake room

[Jlassiter]

NO...I knew about the het melanistic thayeri....
I didn't know you had that patternless T positive.....

[TremTricolors]

oh, I acquired the whole group from Shannon, even the original male. It'll quite interesting to see what comes out of these in the next few years.

[Jlassiter]

I knew you got the "group" from Shannon, but I didn't know that one was one of them....
Very cool animal.......I hope you get some Hypo-E T+ patternless animals.........

[TremTricolors]

I knew you got the "group" from Shannon, but I didn't know that one was one of them....
Very cool animal.......I hope you get some Hypo-E T+ patternless animals.........

If I get lucky I should get a VP T plus het hypo-e this year, then in a few years I can produce the triple homo or would it be quadruple homo? Because you need the amel gene to get the T plus.....Hmmm.....

[Jlassiter]

You don't need the T- (amel) gene to produce a T+.......
A T+ is a separate morph that is allelic with T- (amel)....

[TremTricolors]

You don't need the T- (amel) gene to produce a T+.......
A T+ is a separate morph that is allelic with T- (amel)....

Whoa, really? Who told you that? From what I know and have been told was that you need the amel gene to produce them. As far as I know is if you breed a t+ to a normal and breed those offspring to each other you will get amels and normals, not T+ babies.( There is always exceptions to the rule) If you breed a T+ to an amel you will get roughly 50% T+ and 50% amel. Now Don Shores hatch three clutches from an amel to T+ breeding and produced all T+. That is not the norm from what everyone else I have talked to says. Freak thing??? As it being a fairly new gene in the hobby of course multiple breeding trials will need to be done.

Please tell how you came up with that?

[Jlassiter]

I may have misunderstood Shannon.....
Will you get all T+s if you breed T+ X T+?

Breeding a T+ X Amel and producing more T+s means it IS allelic with T-
Now I didn't know it was not recessive as you explained......

[TremTricolors]

I may have misunderstood Shannon.....
Will you get all T+s if you breed T+ X T+?

Breeding a T+ X Amel and producing more T+s means it IS allelic with T-
Now I didn't know it was not recessive as you explained......

From what I have heard also is that if you breed the T- from a clutch of T+ you will only get T-. If this is all true you need the T- gene to produce T+. Correct???

[Jlassiter]

From what I have heard also is that if you breed the T- from a clutch of T+ you will only get T-. If this is all true you need the T- gene to produce T+. Correct???

Sounds like it with that explanation......but what will two T+ yield?

Give me some so I can help you figure it all out.....lol

[TremTricolors]

I believe T+ X T+ = all T+