Another under-rated King

[TremTricolors]

These are for sure my favorite king I own. Tarahumara or Chihuahua Mountain Kingsnake. This is a 2001 male and 2010 hold back female. Looking forward to breeding the 2010 female back to her dad (2001 male) next year. This may prove him and her both out to be hypomelanistic.
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/Osbornemale.jpg
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/osborne2010HBFe.jpg

[exwizard]

Oh man this looks so much like the stuff John Lassiter has. Very nice!

[TremTricolors]

Oh man this looks so much like the stuff John Lassiter has. Very nice!

These are a little different than what John has. John has what they call in the hobby "Applegate Specials". They are L.p.pyromelana (AZ Mtn Kings), and these are L.knoblochi or L.p.knoblochi (Taraumara or Chihuahua Mtn Kings). They are a sub-species of what John has, well they used to be. That's a whole another story. The ones pictured are from Mojarachic in the Maguarichi Municipality, Chihuahua, Mexico. Further south from where the "Applegate Specials" are from.

Typically the L.knoblochi have more bands/blotches and the bands do not reach the ventral as in L.p.pyromelana. L.knoblochi usually has a white stripe running along the sides, this stripe can be interupted with black or red blotches. as seen here.
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/newknob005.jpg

In L.p.pyromelana the bands reach the ventral portion of the animal as seen here.
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/Savannapics063.jpg


I hope this clarifies between the two sub-species of L.pyromelana.

[exwizard]

Nice and yeah it does! I still say your stuff is comparable to what he has.

[TremTricolors]

Nice and yeah it does! I still say your stuff is comparable to what he has.

They are comparable, as they are sub-species. I was just clarifying the subtle differences between the two sub-species.

[theapexgerman]

Both AZ mountain kings and chihuahua mountain king look stunning I still lean more toward AZ mountain kings lol

[exwizard]

Both AZ mountain kings and chihuahua mountain king look stunning I still lean more toward AZ mountain kings lol

Only because you have one ;)

@OP... Your chihuahua variety is very pretty

[theapexgerman]

If I ever would see an chihuahua king in my area I would pick one up just cause there stunning

[TremTricolors]

Both AZ mountain kings and chihuahua mountain king look stunning I still lean more toward AZ mountain kings lol

As with most hobbyists. I keep both sub species myself. I prefer seeing the variability in L.knoblochi, from red to orange, high black to pinners, high band count vs. low, etc... These can all come out of the same clutch so you just never know what will hatch. Here's a nice one with almost a full red head.
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/CCsib.jpg

[TremTricolors]

Only because you have one ;)

@OP... Your chihuahua variety is very pretty

Thanks!
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee515/KcTrader/Savannapics011.jpg

[theapexgerman]

The red head is killer looking don't chihuahua get a little bit bigger than AZ mountain kings to cause my AZ king is kinda small to the other one I compared him to

[TremTricolors]

The red head is killer looking don't chihuahua get a little bit bigger than AZ mountain kings to cause my AZ king is kinda small to the other one I compared him to

You are correct, that male I posted actually eats retired breeder mice. He is almost 5 foot and as big as round as a half dollar if not bigger.

[theapexgerman]

Wow a lot bigger than I thought I may have to look and get an chihuahua now

[TremTricolors]

Wow a lot bigger than I thought I may have to look and get an chihuahua now

Not all of them get that big, he is just an extreme example but 4 foot plus would be average.

[theapexgerman]

Still quite bigger than my AZ mountain he's maybe close to to 3 foot or so maybe be smaller

[Jlassiter]

Nice Knob-Head.....
Thanks for explaining the difference between the Applegate special pyros and the Candy Cane Knoblochi.....

[Jlassiter]

Btw.... Jimmy and I like the same things.......snakes with red on them.....lol

[Kingsnakechris]

Nice kings!! I have a cal. King male that's a beast! He's as round if not slightly more so then a half dollar coin and is an easy 5 1/2 - 6'. The lady bought him from told me he was big but I had no idea he was this big.