Does anyone know

[Kingsnakechris]

Does anyone know where to buy normal ball pythons? I've looked on king snake.com but I can't seem to find a normal pair, I'm new to breeding and would like to start out with normals for now. Thanks,

Chris

[infernalis]

adopt from an animal rescue.

People dump them off all the time.

[Kingsnakechris]

Just gotta find a snake rescue in phoenix

[insignia100]

Are there any reptile shows? Honestly, I'd reconsider normals unless you want to be knee deep in snakes you can't get rid of. They practically give normals away at the shows down here.

[Norm66]

I agree. There are more than enough normals produced from morph clutches. There's no market and IMO no real reason to purpsely breed normals.

[GarterPython]

You could breed Pastels. There not that expensive.

[theapexgerman]

Were at in phoenix are you located I know of a few places

[Kingsnakechris]

Hmm maybe ill try to find some pastels.

[GarterPython]

Play around with the genetic wizard on this site: World of Ball Pythons (http://www.worldofballpythons.com/)

[Rogue628]

Normals ARE hard to get rid of and they're usually really cheap. But there are quite a few people like myself who have a soft spot for normals for most any species of snake.

I doubt I'll ever get into breeding but if I did, I think I'd find a morph that I thought was the most amazing, see how it's made and make that my goal. If you want to see some really nice examples of royal morphs, I suggest you look at Mike Wilbank's site. If I'm not mistaken he also has some morphs in his collection noone else has. They're very pricey but definitely drool material lol

[Kingsnakechris]

Awesome site! Thanks for all the advice, I guess I'll just try to save up for one morph at a time, I'll have a clutch ( hopefully 2 ) of cal. Kings soon, hopefully a few albinos in them as well. Should help get me closer to my goal of acquiring my piebald pair! That's my favorite morph by far, one day I'll have my breeding pair!

[theapexgerman]

the small reptile I've been going to for years has some normal ball pythons 29 bucks and a few other ball python morphs

[Rogue628]

Personally I want a bumble bee morph. There's just something about them that really attract me. It will be a while until I start buying morphs though.

Mike has an eclipse morph that's just stunning but I don't think it's proved out yet and the last time I looked he hasn't said exactly what genes created it. The animal is beautiful the way it is to me, but if the lines can be cleaned up some it would truly be awesome!

[exwizard]

Im sorry, Im not into Balls but I can understand the fun of creating something new. After all thats what Im doing with my current breeding project with my Corn with the loaner. Anyway, @ the OP... I would suggest getting in touch with the German Teddy Bear as he lives in Phoenix and he could point the way for you to go to. Im sure there are plenty of Balls available there and the cost is very mininmal. :)

[theapexgerman]

There also an corn breeder not to far from me I know of a few places that have morphs of ball but only 2 places that sell normal balls

[geckodog]

You might be able to find them in local petstores or on craigslist.

Also here are some sites: orcadreamer85 - Ball Pythons For Sale (http://www.ballpythonsforsale.net/ads/3-normal-pythons/) Buy Ball Pythons Online. For Sale with Same Day Shipping. (http://www.bigappleherp.com/Ball-Pythons-Captive-Bred-Babies)

[theapexgerman]

Buying from an petsmart petco is an risk I don't trust them

[Kingsnakechris]

I don't trust any of the big chain pet stores either. Private breeders all the way.

[theapexgerman]

Been going to this small reptile store for years were I get most of my snakes you should drop it since you live in phoenix its like 5 minutes away from me

[Kingsnakechris]

Where is it exactly? Cross roads???

[theapexgerman]

Custom Creatures 10729 N. 19th Avenue Phoenix AZ 85029. On 19th Avenue north of Peoria also the SE corner of 19th Ave and Desert Cove.
Its an small place you got to watch for an building that says pet shop its tiny letter

[GarterPython]

Definitly gotta talk to Teddy Bear on this one. (which you already are)

[Kingsnakechris]

Nice! Thanks GTB. I'm way out on 111th and bell, up twords surprise just shy of el mirage. Great place to go field herpin if your into field herpin. I have a few " keep quiet places" if your ever looking to go let me know.

[theapexgerman]

Sweet I can use some new places to do some herping I go down to buckeye and gilla bend kinda far but great place

[mykee]

I wholesale my normals to pet stores for $6 each come hatchling season.

[Kingsnakechris]

Yeah I have a great place that ain't nearly as far as buck eye or gila LOL not even as far as wickenberg lol I go to a few places by the white tanks

[theapexgerman]

I go to buckeye to see buddys every few weeks since I use to live there but I've never herp towards whitetanks you know of any good places around 35th ave and thunderbird

[Kingsnakechris]

Naw, 35th and Tbird is inner city. Your realstily only about 20 25 mins away from the white tanks man, it's def. Worth the drive if you go on the back side of them. Herps everywhere great photo ops!

[theapexgerman]

Yea very inner city once I get back into town I may go out that way but if you want an Az mountain king I know some good spots but took awhile to get mine on mice he would only eat lizards

[Kingsnakechris]

I def. Do want an az mountain king. Just let e know when your planning on heading up there...

[Kingsnakechris]

Would love to see a pic of your mountain king.

[theapexgerman]

Sure once I get back in town ill upload some

[hellosugaree]

Please adopt. They sell them at every pet store and people buy them not knowing what they are getting into and then give them up. You can probably find one (or 500) almost for free with an enclosure.

[theapexgerman]

Please adopt. They sell them at every pet store and people buy them not knowing what they are getting into and then give them up. You can probably find one (or 500) almost for free with an enclosure.

Are you talking bout AZ mountain kings I've never seen on up for adoption here and we cvant buy them here mountain kings are rare here lol took me months to find mine

[Kingsnakechris]

So it's illegal to buy them here but you can collect from the wild legally??

[theapexgerman]

Yup just like you can't buy an WDB since there native to AZ and like my coral its also illegal to buy them in AZ but you can buy an eastern coral or an eastern diamind back here its so stupid

[Kingsnakechris]

Yeah, it would be different if they were endangered but to make something illegal to possess because it's native.... Dumb. Other states can purchase az mountain kings and what not but ppl in az can't? Lol this state is confused I think...

[theapexgerman]

Yea AZ does have some crap laws I even think its illegal to own an az mountain king atleast that what I was told by forest ranger up in flagstaff its an pretty big fine to like around 900 bucks or so and could spend time in jail

[Kingsnakechris]

Damn! I thought I read somewhere a while back that you could buy one from outta state but you can't collect from the wild... I may be wrong tho...

[theapexgerman]

no supplier out of state will ship an AZ mountain king to AZ and your not alowed to collect them in the wild either but some one can give you one its so weird

[Kingsnakechris]

Lol I'll go catch one and give it to my wife haha

[theapexgerman]

Lol its an stupid law

[hellosugaree]

Google is a great resource for this sort of thing. I can suggest some search terms if you're not sure. Glad I could help

[Lankyrob]

Google is a great resource for this sort of thing. I can suggest some search terms if you're not sure. Glad I could help


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