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mystichrome

04-03-12, 04:35 PM

so this is gt500 my ball python me and my boyfriend got him about 3-4 weeks ago hes a really good eater but im switching him to live food due to the fact that giving a snake a f/t food is like giving a human a tv dinner its not necessarily bad for them but its definitely not good for them my boa already eats live but i have to work gt into eating live because i tried a fuzzie so it couldnt hurt him if he didnt do it right and he constricted the fuzzie a little but didnt kill it and ended up swallowing it alive it was squeeking and moving till it suffocated i kinda felt bad for it but there was nothing i could do about anyway here is a few pics of my ball

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he is a very shy little snake and a little escape artist

GarterPython

04-03-12, 04:41 PM

Since it seems like you are an experianced owner I won't push you too much on this but I think most people on here agree that freezing Frozen is a little safer. I guess it is okay to feed live as long as you watch them eat it though

Hillsberry

04-03-12, 04:42 PM

I personally and I think most people here would tell you to stick to f/t. Live is just to dangerous for your snakes. You have to worry about parasites in the rodents and the rodent can hurt or even kill your snake. I would never want to put one of my snakes in harms way if I don't have too. People have been feeding snakes F/t for many many many years now and I have never heard of any issues. If you really have a problem with f/t then I would suggest you stun the rodents before feeding them to you snakes. It's safer for your snakes. I think f/T is the way to go because it is just easier for you and your snake(s). That's just my opinion though.

GarterPython

04-03-12, 04:48 PM

I agree exactly with what Hillsberry said. Frozens are alot more safe.

mystichrome

04-03-12, 04:49 PM

well my boa eats live and i want to have them on the same page and just incase there is any chance he could ever get out which wont happen i want him to be able to defend himself and survive as we all know things happen and mistakes are made and people lose their snakes i always watch my snakes eat since i feed them out of their enclosure and such i feed both right now and its just cheaper to feed live even though frozen is alot more convenient i just worried cause he hasnt ever ate live before so i want to start him off on stuff that cant really hurt him

Hillsberry

04-03-12, 04:57 PM

Snakes will always have a wild instinct, they are not like dogs. Snakes will be able to fend for themselves if they escape and get outside. Most of the time when snakes escape they stay in your house. Now if you live up north your snake will not be able to survive the cold winters. You can still switch you Boa over to stunned. Boa's are big eats and most will switch over easy.

youngster

04-03-12, 04:59 PM

Feeding live won't prepare your snake if it gets out. Snakes are born with survival instincts, take my male corn snake for example. He escaped but even though he had been on F/T his entire life I found him over a month later with a big belly and not a scratch on him.

If you want your two snakes on the same page, switch your boa to F/T.

mystichrome

04-03-12, 05:01 PM

ill have to try to switch her i think she is about to shed right now i just posted pics of her on the boa thread you should go look at them she finally came out of her coconut shell so i got some pics her eyes are really grey shes not as milky in color as she was yesterday so i dunno Snakes will always have a wild instinct, they are not like dogs. Snakes will be able to fend for themselves if they escape and get outside. Most of the time when snakes escape they stay in your house. Now if you live up north your snake will not be able to survive the cold winters. You can still switch you Boa over to stunned. Boa's are big eats and most will switch over easy.

mystichrome

04-03-12, 05:03 PM

ok ill try and get her to eat on thursday but like i said i think shes about to ched but im not totally sure boas are a new experience for me Feeding live won't prepare your snake if it gets out. Snakes are born with survival instincts, take my male corn snake for example. He escaped but even though he had been on F/T his entire life I found him over a month later with a big belly and not a scratch on him.

If you want your two snakes on the same page, switch your boa to F/T.

Hillsberry

04-03-12, 05:05 PM

Sounds like she is in shed. Once the blue/grey stage is gone give her a few days and then she will begin to shed. Just stun the rodent and then feed her. It might take awhile but she will eventually take it. Snakes can go off feeding for over a year and show no signs of losing weight. So don't panic if she doesn't take the stunned rodent right away. Best of Luck!

mystichrome

04-03-12, 05:08 PM

im not panicking she just seems a little on the skinny side for how long she is pictures dont really do alot of justice but she is about id say 16-18 inches long and about as big around as a jumbo sharpie i dont know if that is normal Sounds like she is in shed. Once the blue/grey stage is gone give her a few days and then she will begin to shed. Just stun the rodent and then feed her. It might take awhile but she will eventually take it. Snakes can go off feeding for over a year and show no signs of losing weight. So don't panic if she doesn't take the stunned rodent right away. Best of Luck!

Hillsberry

04-03-12, 05:11 PM

I would feed her every 5 to 7 days. You should be feeding her a meal that leaves a small bulge in her stomach. She doesn't look skin to me. She looks healthy. As long as you feed her every 5 to 7 day she should be good.

mystichrome

04-03-12, 05:17 PM

well the guy fed her 2 fuzzies a few days before i got her and she hasnt wanted to eat since i offered f/t she didnt take it i offered a live an she didnt take that either then a few days later her tank got really hot i had just upgraded her tank an was misinformed of the bulb side for the lamps and it over heated the tank but she got her moss in her water bowl and burrowed into it then a day after that her eyes greyed over and her color dulled

Hillsberry

04-03-12, 05:26 PM

Make sure your hot side is about 85 degrees and your cold side is upper 70s. Humidity should be around 70% but make sure that the tank is not constantly wet or that can cause scale rot and other health problems. She is in shed so I would make sure humidity is about 80 to 90%. Most snakes will go off feeding if husbandry is off. Also while she is in shed I wouldn't handle her. Let her relax a little. It sounds like you just her recently so I would give her time to get used to her new surrounds.

Hillsberry

04-03-12, 05:27 PM

Here's a good care sheet for BRBs. Check it out. It might help you. :)
Brazilian Rainbow Boa Care Sheet (http://www.moonlightboas.com/care-info/care-sheets/brazilian-rainbow-boa-care-sheet.php)

mystichrome

04-03-12, 05:30 PM

thats what ive been doing ive been trying to keep the humidity at about 80-90% but i always have to mist the tank i thinkin of switched to a different substrate because it really seems like the aspen is retaining the water but not keeping it humid enough i just use my night bulb to keep it at a steady temp since the day bulb heats it up way to much and dries it out so fast im probably going to get a humidifier for her when i see she is about to shed since im going to be getting a job and wont be home to mist the tank 50 million times a day

Hillsberry

04-03-12, 05:36 PM

I sent you a private message.

mykee

04-03-12, 05:55 PM

" due to the fact that giving a snake a f/t food is like giving a human a tv dinner its not necessarily bad for them but its definitely not good for them my "

Without a doubt the dumbest quote I have heard here all year (and there's been some stiff competition).

mystichrome

04-03-12, 05:59 PM

really your going to attack me and insult me why dont you go learn a few manners and not post insulting stuff on someone elses thread thanks Without a doubt the dumbest quote I have heard here all year (and there's been some stiff competition).

GarterPython

04-03-12, 06:27 PM

I have known Mykee for a long time on this forum and this is his specialty and it might seem insulting but it is true. That was a horrible reason for feeding your snake live and Mykee is the only one who doesn't try to put "sugar" on his answer. It might seem rude but its just strait forward and getting to the point. Take me for exampe. I don't like being strait forward because it can affect in a negative way even though that is not totally intended. People like Mykee are not worried about that and personnaly I wish I had a quality more like that.

mystichrome

04-03-12, 06:32 PM

i under stand not surgar coating it but putting it like that is not only rude negative and insulting to people who are learning but it scares people who have easyly hurt feelings away from sites like this people like him should really learn how to be an a** in moderation not just to be a jerk and put people down i know id rather eat fresh food than frozen any reptile or animal for that matter probably prefers the same its all in a difference of opinion and his opinion if he is going to be as you call it "blunt" isnt appreciated because blunt is being informative calling someone stupid or something they say stupid isnt blunt its just rude especially when they do not know that person in any way shape or form

GarterPython

04-03-12, 06:38 PM

See he is not calling you stupid since you can't judge a person through the computer. He is just calling the thing you said stupid. And yes it might be a little too blunt but you shouldn't make exuses like that for things that you did that mabye you shouldn't have.

mystichrome

04-03-12, 06:42 PM

mystichrome

04-03-12, 06:45 PM

GarterPython

04-03-12, 06:54 PM

I have already said that he shouldn't have called you stupid but this forum is an amazing place. You can say your opinion (most of the time) without getting your opinion called stupid but comparing humans to reptiles isn't a fare comparison. Same with when people compare when snakes are in the wild to when they are in a tank. Just like your comparison it is not a fare comparison because what people say is that in the wild they eat live stuff. Well you know what I say to that? Out of the animals you find in the wild you know how many die from diseases and stuff. Alot! We all just want the best for our animals and thats why we feed them frozen.

mystichrome

04-03-12, 06:59 PM

i agree i want my snakes to be safe but captive born mice and rats carry much less diseases than wild ones if the host isnt alive with a heart beat the parasites cant survive and with a fresh kill its severly minimizes the risk I have already said that he shouldn't have called you stupid but this forum is an amazing place. You can say your opinion (most of the time) without getting your opinion called stupid but comparing humans to reptiles isn't a fare comparison. Same with when people compare when snakes are in the wild to when they are in a tank. Just like your comparison it is not a fare comparison because what people say is that in the wild they eat live stuff. Well you know what I say to that? Out of the animals you find in the wild you know how many die from diseases and stuff. Alot! We all just want the best for our animals and thats why we feed them frozen.

infernalis

04-03-12, 07:16 PM

this is the exact reason why i dont join forums because no one is aloud to have opinions or speak in their own terms with out it being called stupid so how about you just lay off this is a discussion over my snake not things i say

I would like to take a moment here..

no one is aloud to have opinions

Mykee has an opinion also, should that opinion be sequestered because it conflicts with your opinion?

The idea behind a forum is that multiple people can share multiple opinions, sometimes those opinions conflict, sometimes those opinions don't.

When only one opinion is voiced, that is called a "blog"

I am truly sorry that you don't agree with mykee's opinion, but that opinion has just as much right to be posted as yours, mine or the next 132 members who post on here.

Now I shall interject with a scientific tidbit, reptiles have no taste buds, zero. They cannot tell if that mouse is thawed out from a freezer or if it is still alive.

A snake will eat and swallow leggos if they smell like a mouse.

DeesBalls

04-03-12, 07:23 PM

dont be mad at mykee, when i 1st joined he posted similar stuff... truth is.... he is usually right!

switching your snake over to f/t will be hard, and very annoying (more than likely) it took me just about a year to get my BP from live to f/t... even till this day, she doesnt always take the food on feeding day... so be prepared to take time with this.

also feeding live (my opinion) isnt unsafe... IF YOU ARE THERE TO SUPERVISE!!!!!!

When mine ate live, i sat right there next to the tank (at the time) with tongs/tweesers to intervein if i had to ( and i have had to a few times ) responsible live feeding is okay if you ask me... im sure you know, but never leave a mouse/rat live alone with your snake.

i should say, i do feed all my 15 snakes f/t... so i am truly lucky lol. ( 12 BP, 1 RTB, 2 cali kings)

Oh, btw.... I LOVE THE NAME!!! if it is a mustang referance. lol... my oldest BP is named Eleanore!!

shaunyboy

04-03-12, 07:30 PM

i will post nutritional charts tommorrow,when i'll have access to my own computer

imo,there is little if any,DIFFERENCE in the NUTRITIONAL value,of frozen thawed,compaired to live

any study's you can point me towards,that can show me different would be interesting to read mate

i have NO moral issues with feeding live

i do have safety concerns.....

if the snake strikes,say a side or back end,of a MEDIUM or LARGE rat,then the rat WILL have a chance to bite and a bite in a crucial place like an eye,imo is NOT worth the risk

imo,no human hand would be fast enough to intervene.NOT if you take into consideration.....

a snake can strike,then a rat can bite,in the matter of a few seconds or less,no human imo is that quick

the above is just my personal reasons,which explain my reluctance,to feed live,unless it's 100% a neccessity

cheers shaun

mystichrome

04-03-12, 07:34 PM

his actual name is gt500 lol did you know they are coming out with a gt1000 and eleanor very nice our mustang was in the process for a eleanor kit but we decided to mix and match with roush and gt500 parts if you want to see a pic after we get the new stripes and trufiber hood installed id be happy to send you one dont be mad at mykee, when i 1st joined he posted similar stuff... truth is.... he is usually right!

switching your snake over to f/t will be hard, and very annoying (more than likely) it took me just about a year to get my BP from live to f/t... even till this day, she doesnt always take the food on feeding day... so be prepared to take time with this.

also feeding live (my opinion) isnt unsafe... IF YOU ARE THERE TO SUPERVISE!!!!!!

When mine ate live, i sat right there next to the tank (at the time) with tongs/tweesers to intervein if i had to ( and i have had to a few times ) responsible live feeding is okay if you ask me... im sure you know, but never leave a mouse/rat live alone with your snake.

i should say, i do feed all my 15 snakes f/t... so i am truly lucky lol. ( 12 BP, 1 RTB, 2 cali kings)

Oh, btw.... I LOVE THE NAME!!! if it is a mustang referance. lol... my oldest BP is named Eleanore!!

mystichrome

04-03-12, 07:37 PM

ive been told so many different things and read so many books i dont know which is right an wrong anymore when it comes to that stuff its just frustrating due to the fact one person says live is the way an the next says frozen is the way im going to be switzerland and listen to the pros and cons for both and decide for myself till i can come to a better conclusion on my own i will post nutritional charts tommorrow,when i'll have access to my own computer

imo,there is little if any,DIFFERENCE in the NUTRITIONAL value,of frozen thawed,compaired to live

any study's you can point me towards,that can show me different would be interesting to read mate

cheers shaun

exwizard

04-03-12, 07:38 PM

DeesBalls

04-03-12, 07:39 PM

mykee

04-03-12, 07:42 PM

Yeah, that was a really dumb THING to say, the worst (untrue) analogy I think I've ever heard.
Sorry, but it's true.
Rude would be saying you picked a stupid name for your ball python.
I won't go there.

mystichrome

04-03-12, 07:45 PM

how about you just dont post on my threads i start ur playing with fire right now so y dont u act your age and stop being a jerk cuz ur pissin me off Yeah, that was a really dumb THING to say, the worst (untrue) analogy I think I've ever heard.
Sorry, but it's true.
Rude would be saying you picked a stupid name for your ball python.
I won't go there.

jaleely

04-03-12, 08:02 PM

mykee, i don't remember if i've ever gotten fussy with you over a post you may have made on one of mine, but as soon as i saw this one i scrolled and scrolled because i knew you'd come though and say exactly what i was thinking *lmao*

regardless, we're on the same page now. although i don't think i've ever had issue. still, was looking forward to that...hehe

Trollbie

04-03-12, 08:07 PM

Frozen TV dinner isn't very nutritious. But a frozen mouse isn't processed. If you freeze a vegetable or anything as it is, the nutrients are still there. Same with a frozen mouse. The mouse is fresh when they freeze it. And if f/t is an issue for you, you could do what I do with my other snake. Just go to the pet store right before you feed and have them kill the mouse for you.

mystichrome

04-03-12, 08:12 PM

im on this forum for 1 day and you people turn into stuck up assholes and start making fun of the names people name their pets really you have to be that rude excuse my language but you are a stuck up bitch and "mykee" needs to learn how to give constructive criticism and not be an ******* mykee, i don't remember if i've ever gotten fussy with you over a post you may have made on one of mine, but as soon as i saw this one i scrolled and scrolled because i knew you'd come though and say exactly what i was thinking *lmao*

regardless, we're on the same page now. although i don't think i've ever had issue. still, was looking forward to that...hehe

DeesBalls

04-03-12, 08:12 PM

frozen or live, the snake does NOT care... end of story. to them, food is food... if f/t wasnt good for the snakes, then the 1000's maybe even 10,000's who feed f/t wouldnt do it...

as long as your snake eats something, and is healthy, that is what is important...

DeesBalls

04-03-12, 08:16 PM

im on this forum for 1 day and you people turn into stuck up assholes and start making fun of the names people name their pets really you have to be that rude excuse my language but you are a stuck up bitch and "mykee" needs to learn how to give constructive criticism and not be an *******

its sad... he is usally right with all his advice, and his "to the piont" critisism i guess we all learned to love and just take with a grain of salt, since he is always right, and knows his stuff...

dont let him make you leave stay, trust me, its a good place to be.

infernalis

04-03-12, 08:22 PM

im on this forum for 1 day and you people turn into stuck up assholes

You just asked me to be a moderator and do some moderating...

2 rules are broken here.

Name Calling and swearing..

So as my duty of moderator, I should click the ban button.

But I am not, just yet.

Break rules again, I will. Please don't force my hand.

mykee

04-03-12, 08:55 PM

I love you all too!
Even Mystichrome, despite all thos nasty words...
Especially Wayne with his biblical Job-like patience with me.

Stay off the pipe, I'm out.

DeesBalls

04-03-12, 09:06 PM

see Mystichrome, he means no harm ^^

Aaron_S

04-03-12, 09:11 PM

...i know id rather eat fresh food than frozen any reptile or animal for that matter probably prefers the same...

First of all, how do you know they would?

Second of all, if you want your snake to eat the freshest food in live rodent why aren't you doing the same? Do you hunt and fish and clean/dress your kills? 'Cause you know that's real fresh food...

In other news, just feed what your snake wants. It seems like it wants f/t so just keep feeding it that.

KORBIN5895

04-03-12, 09:26 PM

how is comparing frozen to a tv dinner stupid? id love to hear this....... it is like a tv dinner it gets frozen and frozen food loses nutrition anything frozen loses minerals and nutrition id rather feed freshly killed rather than freshly thawed

Frozen mice aren't filled with salt and chemicals. Pm Jarich he can hook you up on the nutrition differences.

its sad... he is usally right with all his advice, and his "to the piont" critisism i guess we all learned to love and just take with a grain of salt, since he is always right, and knows his stuff...

dont let him make you leave stay, trust me, its a good place to be.

Or the whole salt shaker........

I love you all too!
Even Mystichrome, despite all thos nasty words...
Especially Wayne with his biblical Job-like patience with me.

Stay off the pipe, I'm out.

None of that now Ace! Or was it Gary?????

@Aaron
that richard phrase makes me giggle.

GarterPython

04-03-12, 09:59 PM

I personnaly love this forum! I think what you need to figure out is..... everybody has there own personality. Some people say stuff as nice as they can. Some people say stuff strait up to the point and tell you there opinion. Thats how it goes. I haven't been here for a really long time although I have been here for a while and I have already figured out the peronallity of most of the members (except most of the newbies)

mykee

04-04-12, 10:51 AM

Aaron: LOL!!!

jaleely

04-04-12, 03:20 PM

I'm just getting older and realized i don't need to have everyone like me. I disagree with a couple people on here and it doesn't stop me at all from heading good advice. heck, i even kinda like them anyway. gotta respect the ones that do what it takes to take care of their animals. be informed, don't make assumptions, and if you're unsure, or even if you are sure, look it up anyway.
After a while though...it is pretty funny. I can't help it. I've always been about being super sweet and tactful, but i don't have to bother when i know someone else will say something.
i'm still kind of laughing. *shrug*