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Hail3gh

04-02-12, 06:40 PM

Rex vs. Squirrel - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw7LGuPS2K0&feature=related) First there is no way This sav caught this poor squirrel and second the way he drags the Lizard and third I cant believe he fed this poor guy this squirrel.. He needs to get reported

infernalis

04-02-12, 06:44 PM

That video got brought up once before.

I can't go through those youtube videos anymore, there are way way too many cases of Savannah Monitor neglect all over the place on there.

Gungirl

04-02-12, 06:50 PM

I really am getting tired of us broadcasting animal abuse and sick peoples videos......

infernalis

04-02-12, 07:21 PM

Yes, but if you remember, I made the rule of no embedding, and we all agreed that it was acceptable to post a link, that on can voluntarily click, or chose not to.

Actually, I am rather pleased that through education people can now tell the difference between a "cool monitor video" and a bad monitor video.

Many people would have though a Sav eating a squirrel was cool before coming here and learning otherwise.

Gregg M

04-02-12, 08:01 PM

Some things I noticed in the vid.

That is a good sized adult sav. It is actually in very good physical shape. Does not look like the usual super fat sav. It is quite possible that it actually did catch that squirrel. Why does that seem so impossible?

I do not see this vid being anymore cruel than someone showing a monitor eating a dead rat or mouse.

I really do not see a big problem with this vid to be honest. It is obviously not the lizards main diet. It was most likely a one off thing.
Is it a "cool" vid? That depends. If the sav actually did catch the squirrel on its own and ate it, then yeah, I would say its a cool vid. If it was killed prior by the owner, than no, its not a cool vid, but not a particularly bad one neither.
Truth be told, if one of my varanids caught a squirrel and started to eat it, I would record it as well.

I actually have an old vid of my first sav RUNNING after, catching, killing, and eating a 3 foot garter snake it came across in a penned off section in my yard when I lived with my parents.

To the OP, what was wrong with the way the lizard was picked up?

Gungirl

04-03-12, 07:09 AM

Hail3gh

04-03-12, 07:52 AM

There is no way that lizard caught him.. He barely moved he walked right in and grabbed it

infernalis

04-03-12, 08:28 AM

There is no way that lizard caught him.. He barely moved he walked right in and grabbed it

I think that was brought up in the previous conversation, the squirrel was either already dead or very sick.

Gregg M

04-03-12, 03:36 PM

There is no way that lizard caught him.. He barely moved he walked right in and grabbed it

When a monitor sees a food item, their instincs kick in. Have you ever seen a varanid actually hunt? It is a sight to be seen, thats for sure. That lizard is very capable of catching and killing a squirrel. There are other factors that could have been at play other than it being already dead or sick.
You think that this lizard is incapable of catching a squirrel. What are you basing this on exactly?

Why would the person filming it lie and why would the others in the vid go with it? It just makes no sense.

infernalis

04-03-12, 06:30 PM

When a monitor sees a food item, their instincs kick in. Have you ever seen a varanid actually hunt?.

I have, and it's awesome.

They can snap a spine or crush a skull in a split second.:cool:

Hail3gh

04-04-12, 05:59 AM

You believe it may have happened I don't. Deal with it

mo9e64

04-04-12, 06:31 AM

I myself am fairly new to monitor keeping,so despite what i might express there is more i don't know than know.Nobody usually expresses an opinion saying they are absolutely right,to me someone with more experience like Gregg can bring more experienced based opinion to behaviour we witness.Challenging people to think or look at things a different way should be encouraged.Your response Hail3gh was kinda rude and paranoid

Gregg M

04-04-12, 04:18 PM

You believe it may have happened I don't. Deal with it

Be a little nicer. I just wanted to know what leads you to believe it is impossible.

hellosugaree

04-04-12, 05:28 PM

I really am getting tired of us broadcasting animal abuse and sick peoples videos......

It doesn't do any good to ignore it and pretend it doesn't happen. It might do some good to discuss it and hopefully educate peole.

Hail3gh

04-04-12, 05:45 PM

Thats the good thing about forums I have every right to state my opinion and not care. Everybody on this page feels that if you dont do things their way Your wrong. Well I hate to tell You but You're not always right... I post a video and instantly I get a reply saying how people are sick of these posts. Nah thats not rude, You guys make me laugh at how quick to crap on people you are

Gungirl

04-04-12, 06:03 PM

It doesn't do any good to ignore it and pretend it doesn't happen. It might do some good to discuss it and hopefully educate peole.

Yeah I know.. as I stated earlier in the thread I was just being pissy.. lol

Hail3gh

04-04-12, 06:14 PM

Defensive Nah! Just find it funny that I have not posted one thing on this forum without someone saying something negative... At first when I joined I wanted to become friends with everyone, now I'm good

Gregg M

04-04-12, 06:24 PM

Thats the good thing about forums I have every right to state my opinion and not care.

It is perectly fine to state your opinion but you should present it as such. Twice in this thread you present your opinion as factual information here
First there is no way This sav caught this poor squirrel
and here
There is no way that lizard caught him..

Not only did you present that as fact, you also neglected to give reasoning even after I asked you spacifically why you thought the way you did. On top of it all, you do not seem to be interested in listening to experienced keepers and learning something.

Everybody on this page feels that if you dont do things their way Your wrong. Well I hate to tell You but You're not always right...

Well this certainly was not about anything you are doing. It turned into you saying something was impossible that is actually very possible.

I post a video and instantly I get a reply saying how people are sick of these posts. Nah thats not rude,

That person just stated their opinion and it was presented as such.

You guys make me laugh at how quick to crap on people you are

Is this not exactly what you did when you started this thread? A bit hypocritical, dont you think?

calotekat

04-04-12, 07:04 PM

awesome video!!

Hail3gh

04-04-12, 07:45 PM

Lol again you show how awesome you think you are. I am not sure if at any point in my post I asked for you to teach me anything... But seeing as you are so amazing I'm sure you can find some way of saying I did, so please feel free to quote me again and show me where I asked for you to teach me

Hail3gh

04-04-12, 07:46 PM

When a monitor sees a food item, their instincs kick in. Have you ever seen a varanid actually hunt? It is a sight to be seen, thats for sure. That lizard is very capable of catching and killing a squirrel. There are other factors that could have been at play other than it being already dead or sick.
You think that this lizard is incapable of catching a squirrel. What are you basing this on exactly?

Why would the person filming it lie and why would the others in the vid go with it? It just makes no sense.
Can You tell me where I said that this Lizard can not catch a squirrel? because I dont remember saying that.

Now You tell me why You say this is real? Are you basing this on fact? Were you there? No I dont think so

Well this certainly was not about anything you are doing. It turned into you saying something was impossible that is actually very possible.

I did not say this was impossible I said this instance was not real so if your going to quote me at least get it right

To the point of you saying It is perectly fine to state your opinion but you should present it as such. Twice in this thread you present your opinion as factual information here. Also don't remember asking you to teach me how to post.... But again I'm sure some way you can explain to me where I asked for you to teach me, because you're so experienced

KORBIN5895

04-04-12, 07:50 PM

You didn't say this lizard didn't catch the squirrel you said there was no way it did.

Anyway what's up? You seem a wee bit combative ....

Hail3gh

04-04-12, 08:01 PM

There is no way that lizard caught him.. He barely moved he walked right in and grabbed it
Actually this is what I said, which obviously does not say He could not have caught it I just said he did not catch this one.... But I guess I should have written IN MY OPINION because I would have thought People would know I was not there and can't prove it

Hail3gh

04-04-12, 08:16 PM

Either way, this page is obviously not for me. I gave it a try even after being told I was a liar from the start, this is the last time I will be posting...

Bradyloach

04-04-12, 08:16 PM

infernalis

04-04-12, 08:17 PM

Anyway what's up? You seem a wee bit combative ....

Wee bit???:eek:

infernalis

04-04-12, 08:19 PM

Oh a sav can catch a squirrel, thats no doubt! But the people seem very irresponsible in the video: drinking, picking the sav up while it's eating, just being rude to the monitor, and i just have a vibe that there not one it concerned about the actually husbandry for the animal! Just a vibe :)

Yes, "getting off" on something natural is disturbing.

Like people who sit and make heavy metal videos to monitors and pythons killing prey.

Bradyloach

04-04-12, 08:24 PM

Yah, that's what I mean, like it's naturally. Sure it might be cool to watch but it's just sick to take pride I'm it and cheer

hellosugaree

04-04-12, 08:37 PM

Now children... Play nice!

KORBIN5895

04-04-12, 08:57 PM

Either way, this page is obviously not for me. I gave it a try even after being told I was a liar from the start, this is the last time I will be posting...

That maybe a good idea. You seem to be carrying a huge chip on your shoulder. Just because someone pee In your pebbles this morning doesn't mean I want to read all of your bile. Seems like something more is going on in your life and you think this is a great place to vent. Well you are right it is a great place to vent but not how you are doing it. Like 'em or lump 'em the people that you don't care for are still going to be here when you sign off for the last time. Good luck and hopefully you can get the knot out of your panties.

Dehlida

04-05-12, 11:47 PM

Yes, "getting off" on something natural is disturbing.

Like people who sit and make heavy metal videos to monitors and pythons killing prey.
I don't see someone putting music they enjoy on a video of their animals as "getting off" on natural behavior. Such a broad judgement is rather silly.

infernalis

04-05-12, 11:52 PM

I don't see someone putting music they enjoy on a video of their animals as "getting off" on natural behavior. Such a broad judgement is rather silly.

It's not a broad judgement, Some of those videos that people make with "slayer" or "sepultura" screaming "Die" roar.. Die" while filming a rats guts getting blown out it's arse is pretty sick..

Dehlida

04-05-12, 11:54 PM

It's not a broad judgement, Some of those videos that people make with "slayer" or "sepultura" screaming "Die" roar.. Die" while filming a rats guts getting blown out it's arse is pretty sick..

A video of natural behavior with some music is sick? I know a lot of reptile people who listen to that music all the time, regardless of what they are doing. Don't like the music turn it off and watch the video.

I'd also like to point out, watching a monitor hunt, kill, and eat actually is pretty "bad ***". It's very interesting to watch such a powerful animal do what comes naturally to it.

Lumping people together is rather silly.

infernalis

04-06-12, 12:15 AM

Lumping people together is rather silly.

when you have watched as much youtube of these cretins as I have, you will lump them together too.

Dehlida

04-06-12, 02:27 AM

when you have watched as much youtube of these cretins as I have, you will lump them together too.

Considering the amount of people I know partnered with youtube, I think I have a fair grasp of it and have seen plenty of videos ;)

infernalis

04-06-12, 06:56 AM

Considering the amount of people I know partnered with youtube, I think I have a fair grasp of it and have seen plenty of videos ;)

Then music choices aside, You should already know that most of them shouldn't own any herps.... Yet alone a fat, lethargic blob of a monitor.

Gregg M

04-07-12, 08:30 AM

I do not mind watching vids of reptiles feeding. Even live feeding vids do not bother me. I see no harm in filming it. When you have kept reptiles as long as I have, you know that live feeding is sometimes manditory. However, I do kind of agree that the music can be a bit overboard. Although a feeding vid with Barry Manalo playing in the background would be kind of silly. LOL.

I agree with Wayne for the most part that the usual people posting those vids are not fit keepers but I have seen a few feeding vids with death metal playing that were actually pretty good and the animals look well cared for.

To each their own I guess. All I can say is one of the many things that I dig about reptiles is their hunting abilities and their efficiency in killing their prey. That is how they make their living afterall.

infernalis

04-07-12, 08:41 AM

All I can say is one of the many things that I dig about reptiles is their hunting abilities and their efficiency in killing their prey. That is how they make their living afterall.

Oh, don't take me wrong, when a monitor grabs it's prey by the head and shakes it so violently that the prey's neck snaps in a millisecond, that is cool as hell.