Do reptiles have feelings?

[Bradyloach]

So what do you guys think? My friends are all trying to tell me that I should have got a dog instead of a sav. But I truly believe that all reptiles can show affection. Maybe not the same way as dogs but I really think that a reptile can have feelings and be attached to its owner. This is what I think. Anyone else?

[exwizard]

Reptiles do know who takes care of them but I dont think they operate on the same emotional level we do. Its more instinctual with them. Dont get me wrong, I have seem some level of bonding with my snakes. Theyve tried to get away from other people when they handle them but whenever they see me they try to reach toward me.

[Snakefood]

hmm....this feels like deja'vu

reptiles only have the primal brain, they do not possess the part of the brain that "emotional feeling" is located. So, if they do "feel" for thier owners, then it would not be in the way that you and I (or a dog, who does possess that portion of the brain) would feel for someone/thing.

[exwizard]

I understand that and agree. It is more instinctual with them.

[Bradyloach]

But besides that, I really think that an affection by reptiles could be just depending on the owner for safety. Like I guess it's not really affection as it is trust? Like my sav let's me pet her, but not anyone else? Hmm

[Strutter769]

reptiles only have the primal brain, they do not possess the part of the brain that "emotional feeling" is located. So, if they do "feel" for thier owners, then it would not be in the way that you and I (or a dog, who does possess that portion of the brain) would feel for someone/thing.

Very well "said," in a really understandable way.

[exwizard]

But besides that, I really think that an affection by reptiles could be just depending on the owner for safety. Like I guess it's not really affection as it is trust? Like my sav let's me pet her, but not anyone else? Hmm

Yep. Its trust and a feeling of safety.

[Bradyloach]

Hmm an example: a baby croc, feeling safe around his mother and going to her for safety? That is just trust and safety right?

[exwizard]

yeah its like that

[Snakefood]

Hmm an example: a baby croc, feeling safe around his mother and going to her for safety? That is just trust and safety right?


I would say yes to that.

[Trollbie]

It's tough since scientifically reptiles (or snakes at least) don't have the part of brain where emotion happens. This is what I learned in anatomy classes and whatnot. So a lot of people will argue till the death that reptiles do not have feelings. That when it looks likr they like you it's because they don't feel threatened by you, are you used to you, or find you as a source of warmth and security.

But there those times when a reptile will take preference to only one person even though it gets handled by others just as much, and that's when I start to question lol

I believe that there is something. A lot of animals I think show their gratefulness when you rescue them from a bad situation. I also think if you respect the animal, they know it.

Until someone has experienced being a reptile, or until reptiles can talk, I won't just accept that reptiles are physiologically incapable of these things, but I'm not gonna all crazy about that they can feel emotions either.

I get just as much satisfaction from Penelope slithering through my hair and sleeves as I do from cuddling a puppy. It's different, but it's still rewarding. I honestly think reptiles are better than cats though. There are cool cats out there, but I think most of them, if not all, are selfish and don't care about anyone. My housemates cat only asks for attention and gets all cuddly when he wants to be fed lol. Not saying that he doesn't like being petted otherwise, but I'm sure he couldn't careless about any of us haha

I say if you want a pet specifically to cuddle it and feel loved, then yea, get a dog. Reptiles aren't for everyone. Personally though, out of all the animals I've been around or owned, my parrot was the most affectionate. My fish do the happy swim when I come near the tank. If it's anyone else, they'll just come to the glass because they are curious. Yeah I'm the one feeding them, but at the same time it's cool knowing that they even recognize me.

It's all about how you look at it. If you accept that a reptile won't cuddle you and give you welcome home kisses, you'll find other things about it that are just as rewarding :)

[alessia55]

I think that the reason my snakes prefer being with me than my friends is because they recognize my scent with security/safety/trust, but I don't think they "love" me or or "like" me or are showing affection. However, I interpret that as affection. Because, as humans, we like to project "rational" behavior onto animals, or give them human characteristics. I think it's OK to say "Kaybe loves me!" so long as I know that what that really means is "Kaybe is familiar with me and knows I'm not a threat." ;)

[Trollbie]

I think that the reason my snakes prefer being with me than my friends is because they recognize my scent with security/safety/trust, but I don't think they "love" me or or "like" me or are showing affection. However, I interpret that as affection. Because, as humans, we like to project "rational" behavior onto animals, or give them human characteristics. I think it's OK to say "Kaybe loves me!" so long as I know that what that really means is "Kaybe is familiar with me and knows I'm not a threat." ;)

This.

Also, I've seen many animals prefer other people than those who handle them most. But every single time that happened, the owner was not a good owner at all and did not properly care for the animal.

[Lankyrob]

I think lizards are more capable of showing an affection to humans than snakes are.

[infernalis]

hmm....this feels like deja'vu

reptiles only have the primal brain, they do not possess the part of the brain that "emotional feeling" is located. So, if they do "feel" for thier owners, then it would not be in the way that you and I (or a dog, who does possess that portion of the brain) would feel for someone/thing.

Not all reptiles, sorry..

There are lizards that pair bond for life, and Lizards that form family units for life.

aPZiAiUYS8o

[mykee]

"But I truly believe that all reptiles can show affection. Maybe not the same way as dogs but I really think that a reptile can have feelings and be attached to its owner. This is what I think. Anyone else?"

No on all counts.

[Gauxgaux]

Absolutely. All creatures on this planet have souls and a purpose to fulfill. If you gain a snakes trust, that says a lot about you as a person. If you break that trust, snakes will find a way to fend for themselves. They don't need humans. But humans have this insatiable desire to catch animals, cage them, and study them. Snakes, just lie dogs and cats, don't like to be kept in a small tank for life.


I have 2 black racers and a baby corn snake. The corn is tiny and is so happy with life. My female racer is 5 feet long and the male is 3 feet. I let them live loose in my studio, with a 23 gallon tank that they're free to go in and out of. Lucie rules the roost. Gucci hides and tries to bite me whenever I come near. It's a matter of gaining trust and respect from him.

[CK SandBoas]

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I have 2 black racers and a baby corn snake. The corn is tiny and is so happy with life. My female racer is 5 feet long and the male is 3 feet. I let them live loose in my studio, with a 23 gallon tank that they're free to go in and out of. Lucie rules the roost. Gucci hides and tries to bite me whenever I come near. It's a matter of gaining trust and respect from him.


I am sorry, but there is so many things wrong right there, in that statement. :(

[Bradyloach]

Captive bred animals will be happy In a big tank as that's all they ever known. They need to be caged with proper heat and conditions.

[alessia55]

I have 2 black racers and a baby corn snake. The corn is tiny and is so happy with life. My female racer is 5 feet long and the male is 3 feet. I let them live loose in my studio, with a 23 gallon tank that they're free to go in and out of. Lucie rules the roost. Gucci hides and tries to bite me whenever I come near. It's a matter of gaining trust and respect from him.

Ok, I'm going to try and tackle this one...

The racers should not be co-habitated, no matter how large the enclosure. Letting them live loose in your studio has so many dangers:
- you won't be able to monitor their individual health
- you won't know which one is pooping and urinating
- you can't give them a proper heat gradient in a room that big
- you can lose one, or both of them
- they can get stuck somewhere and you won't find them in time
- Gucci is probably defensive because she's stressed because of the lack of a controlled environment, and having to compete with Lucie
I'm sure there are more, but those should be enough. I can't seem to rack up any good reasons for letting two snakes live loose in a studio room. :hmm:

[Gauxgaux]

Being attacked all over the place on this site.

Look people, I am in my studio 22 hours of the day. I am the shepherd. Gucci does not fear anything. He is going out of his way to bite me. Lucie trusts me. She's a giant beauty. The ferret can't stand her cage. She sleeps most hours under my couch. My cat is plain stupid and paws at the snakes like yarn. My cornsnake lives in a 23 gallon tank. My spider and frog live happily in a 10 gallon tank.

I know my ****. Stop believing everything you read.

[Bradyloach]

Spider and a snake in the same tank? Woah

[alessia55]

Being attacked all over the place on this site.

Look people, I am in my studio 22 hours of the day. I am the shepherd. Gucci does not fear anything. He is going out of his way to bite me. Lucie trusts me. She's a giant beauty. The ferret can't stand her cage. She sleeps most hours under my couch. My cat is plain stupid and paws at the snakes like yarn. My cornsnake lives in a 23 gallon tank. My spider and frog live happily in a 10 gallon tank.

I know my ****. Stop believing everything you read.

Your not being attacked. Your being explained (nicely!) that the environment you have your animals in (in particular, your reptiles) is not what's best for them. Your cats and your ferret can have free roam of the studio- fine by me! My cats definitely have free roam of my house. But the reptiles need their own safe place away from them.
Your posts have shown that you don't know your "****," since most (if not all) responsible keepers will point you in the direction that reptiles need to be housed individually in their own enclosures. Your cat pawing at the snakes as if they were yarn is eventually going to harm the snakes, and she could possibly bite them or kill them.
Everyone on here cares about the well-being of everyone's animals, and we only want to give you the information you need to enrich, enhance, or change the quality of life of your own animals.

[gonesnakee]

Well I have to say that 1/2 the BS presented here just makes me shake my head &/or LMAO :rolleyes: LOL
Some folks have some pretty messed up ideas to say the least.
Least some folks "get it" me I refuse to get into it with folks that most obviously DO NOT.
Nuff Said Mark
P.S. instincts people, primal instincts ;)

[Gungirl]

This troll is showing up everywhere in here...ugh ... stop feeding the troll.

[mykee]

Me thinks GauxGaux should gogo. Away.

[Gungirl]

Lol umm.. yeah I think so as well. I am not sure why they are being allowed to troll the entire site with their lameness.

[BarelyBreathing]

I'm going to play devil's advocate here. What if GauxGaux is truly just severely misguided?

[gonesnakee]

I'm going to play devil's advocate here. What if GauxGaux is truly just severely misguided?

Sad thing is due to this we give far too many Trolls the benefit of the doubt & then there are also the terribly misguided that cannot be told any different as well :rolleyes: LOL Mark

[BarelyBreathing]

Sad thing is due to this we give far too many Trolls the benefit of the doubt & then there are also the terribly misguided that cannot be told any different as well :rolleyes: LOL Mark


It's too true. It's part of the reason why I'd rather give them the benefit of the doubt. If they're truly just trolls, then chances are there are no animals on the other end that are suffering, and nobody gets hurt. If they are terribly misguided, and we just assume they are trolls, then it's the animals who are suffering.

[gonesnakee]

It's too true. It's part of the reason why I'd rather give them the benefit of the doubt. If they're truly just trolls, then chances are there are no animals on the other end that are suffering, and nobody gets hurt. If they are terribly misguided, and we just assume they are trolls, then it's the animals who are suffering.

I say all the time I could give a rats arse about the people more foten than not & I bother to post to help the animals in their care NOT them ;) LOL Mark

[Gungirl]

I am sorry but with all the lame posts made lately I have given up on most people...

If someone wants help they need to research and ask questions that matter. Not just blab about letting a zoo live in a room together.

[Gauxgaux]

I believe we are all misguided. Gaux gaux will not go go away ****tards. Wake the hell up. We can't speak the same as a cat or snake. But we can listen to their body language.

You are not all knowing. No one is.

I've made mistakes with the first 3 snakes I owned. My ball python was from petsmart and died in 2 months without ever eating. I gave my retail boa to a friend cuz she was getting too big. My garter snake is somewhere happy in the wild because she snuck off when I looked down for two minutes.

We all make mistakes. I hear what everyone is saying. I will post pictures soon to prove to you all I have happy, healthy, and very intelligent animals. I am an animal too.

[zamaya]

maybe the "f-tards" was enough to get banned?

[gonesnakee]

maybe the "f-tards" was enough to get banned?

Hopefully so Cheers Mark

[alessia55]

I believe we are all misguided. Gaux gaux will not go go away ****tards. Wake the hell up. We can't speak the same as a cat or snake. But we can listen to their body language.

You are not all knowing. No one is.

I've made mistakes with the first 3 snakes I owned. My ball python was from petsmart and died in 2 months without ever eating. I gave my retail boa to a friend cuz she was getting too big. My garter snake is somewhere happy in the wild because she snuck off when I looked down for two minutes.

We all make mistakes. I hear what everyone is saying. I will post pictures soon to prove to you all I have happy, healthy, and very intelligent animals. I am an animal too.
oh boy... I think (hope?) that's enough ground to get banned...

[BarelyBreathing]

Your ball python died because it wasn't properly set up. Your boa constrictor didn't get "too big", you just never did the research before you purchased your animal.

[Bradyloach]

I never researched my sav! Hah pet store people are dumb! But so are people that think reptiles are puppys

[alessia55]

I never researched my sav! Hah pet store people are dumb! But so are people that think reptiles are puppys

Sure, but you got REALLY lucky that you got on and took the advice given to you now. Most people don't research, and then don't take the right advice and their animals die because of it.

[BarelyBreathing]

I never researched my sav! Hah pet store people are dumb! But so are people that think reptiles are puppys


But the fact of the matter is as SOON as you found out the information you were given was incorrect, you fixed it.

[Trollbie]

Have you ever seen or heard of a case where all these animals happily coexist in the wild? I haven't. Therefore it's going to be difficult to convince me that they can happily coexist in captivity.

I can't imagine your apartment smelling very pleasant either...

[Snakefood]

besides, if your so gung ho about "natural enviromnments" you should not have pets, you should go on safari!!

Your studio is not a natural environment for any of the animals listed, except you!!

[Caylan]

Sure wish I got to this thread earlier...

[Bradyloach]

Yah bb! I found the forum and asked and asked questions! I was a little stubborn but then I clued in, and now my sav will live a happy and healthy life :)

[BarelyBreathing]

And that's all that matters, Brady.

[Trollbie]

If people want a pet that will love them, aren't there things like Tamagotchi for that?

[infernalis]

Me thinks GauxGaux should gogo. Away.

I'm with Mykee on this one...

[Gungirl]

Glad you are Wayne.. We need not feed the trolls.

[Bradyloach]

Hmm was that jar jar binks?

[Trollbie]

Glad you are Wayne.. We need not feed the trolls.

<-- Except this one. It needs to be fed knowledge.

[Gungirl]

lol Trollbie your forum name is asking for starvation though.

[alessia55]

Bye bye gaux gaux... :o :D

[Trollbie]

lol Trollbie your forum name is asking for starvation though.

If only it were just a forum name... :D

[Trollbie]

Awww now we'll never see pictures of her successful ecosystem...

[alessia55]

Awww now we'll never see pictures of her successful ecosystem...

I was kind of afraid/intrigued to see it...

[Trollbie]

I was kind of afraid/intrigued to see it...

She came off as dirty wanna-be-hippie-art-freak... whether she was or not. So I was expecting a nasty looking apartment. I seriously cannot imagine how the place could smell at all pleasant. Unless she's also a neat freak and always picks up after them...

[alessia55]

She came off as dirty wanna-be-hippie-art-freak... whether she was or not. So I was expecting a nasty looking apartment. I seriously cannot imagine how the place could smell at all pleasant. Unless she's also a neat freak and always picks up after them...

That's unlikely. :freakedout:

[Snakefood]

how would she find them all?? sure you can litter train a ferret, but snakes and iguana's go where they wanna go, and a good sized iguana (we used to have a 6 footer) can have a massive crap and it smells HORRIBLE!

[Trollbie]

That's unlikely. :freakedout:

Yeah... and I am not a fan of snake pee as of yesterday...

[Trollbie]

how would she find them all?? sure you can litter train a ferret, but snakes and iguana's go where they wanna go, and a good sized iguana (we used to have a 6 footer) can have a massive crap and it smells HORRIBLE!

That was my point, pretty much.

[Snakefood]

hell half the time I cant find it in the tub!! (of course only in the case of my baby corn, but still!!)

[Trollbie]

hell half the time I cant find it in the tub!! (of course only in the case of my baby corn, but still!!)

I wonder if she is one of those people that don't shower...

[Trollbie]

I wonder if she lives where I live... because I wouldn't be surprised...

[Snakefood]

I wonder if she is one of those people that don't shower...

or shave....

[infernalis]

or shave....

oh no, not a zz top garden.

[Trollbie]

oh no, not a zz top garden.

I go to UC Santa Cruz... People that don't shave or shower are not uncommon. In fact, they are very common. And they are not pleasant to sit next to in class...

[KORBIN5895]

Absolutely. All creatures on this planet have souls and a purpose to fulfill. If you gain a snakes trust, that says a lot about you as a person. If you break that trust, snakes will find a way to fend for themselves. They don't need humans. But humans have this insatiable desire to catch animals, cage them, and study them. Snakes, just lie dogs and cats, don't like to be kept in a small tank for life.


I have 2 black racers and a baby corn snake. The corn is tiny and is so happy with life. My female racer is 5 feet long and the male is 3 feet. I let them live loose in my studio, with a 23 gallon tank that they're free to go in and out otf. Lucie rules the roost. Gucci hides and tries to bite me whenever I come near. It's a matter of gaining trust and respect from him.

Being attacked all over the place on this site.

Look people, I am in my studio 22 ours of the day. I am the shepherd. Gucci does not fear anything. He is going out of his way to bite me. Lucie trusts me. She's a giant beauty. The ferret can't stand her cage. She sleeps most hours under my couch. My cat is plain stupid and paws at the snakes like yarn. My cornsnake lives in a 23 gallon tank. My spider and frog live happily in a 10 gallon tank.

I know my ****. Stop believing everything you read.
Enough said.

[Norm66]

I love my snakes. Heck, i love some of my friend's snakes. I don't expect them to reciprocate. I have a wife an a golden retriever if I want affection.

[KORBIN5895]

I love my snakes. Heck, i love some of my friend's snakes. I don't expect them to reciprocate. I have a wife an a golden retriever if I want affection.

Maybe there is just something wrong in my head but those two together just seem wrong.

[BarelyBreathing]

I go to UC Santa Cruz... People that don't shave or shower are not uncommon. In fact, they are very common. And they are not pleasant to sit next to in class...


How are those banana slugs doing?

[Norm66]

Maybe there is just something wrong in my head but those two together just seem wrong.

Just depends what kind of affection I'm after. ;)

[jaleely]

hey, i'm going to go off on a limb here...and talk about that video wayne posted! I just want to say how cute i thought the old guy was, but how ADORABLE and sweet those skinks are. Love! I just wish i'd stopped the video about 4:55...those damn nature videos allllllways have to throw in a death scene. drives me crazy.
anyway, i'd love to have two of those, in a huuuuge zoo of my own

[alessia55]

Guys... I've decided to let Kaybe and Pika have full roam of my apartment.... after all, I wouldn't want them to feel isolated or like they're in jail their whole lives! :no: :laugh:

[Trollbie]

How are those banana slugs doing?

getting high... or did you mean the actual animals?

[KORBIN5895]

Guys... I've decided to let Kaybe and Pika have full roam of my apartment.... after all, I wouldn't want them to feel isolated or like they're in jail their whole lives! :no: :laugh:

Maybe you should buy a breeding colony of mice and let them free roam also. That way you have a truly eco friendly set up for your snakes.

[Trollbie]

Did you ever read the story about Babette and her python?

[Trollbie]

Once upon a time in real life there was this amazingly unintelligent girl named Babette. Her name is of absolutely zero consequence to the body of our story but I happen to enjoy naming names in tales of retardation.

Babette had been the proud owner of a python since it was a tiny baby and had taken a motherly role in its reptilian life. Despite that fact that this python child was a reptile and was therefore absolutely incapable of reciprocating the feeling that she was bestowing upon it, Babette continued on in her delusion.

Years went by and this little python grew.

Babette decided early on in her python childs life that confining it to an aquarium was cruel and instead allowed it to roam freely in her home. She had even taken to encouraging this python to sleep beside her in bed at night. Babette believed whole-heartedly that this nighttime intimacy between her and her python had everything to do with the fact that it felt she was it’s mother and nothing to do with the fact that the python was cold blooded and she was a source of warmth. Although since the dawn of time baby snakes, even those who came into this world via live birth have been left to their own devices while their mother’s carried on packing between their eyes only a Medulla Oblongata to continue to eat, **** and ****, Babette believed that somehow she was so special and such an amazing snake mother that her love had shifted the entire course of nature.

Years went by and this little python became a full-grown adult python. Babette continued to be a ****ing idiot.

At some point after Babettes son’s tenth birthday he became withdrawn and refused to eat. Because it was not uncommon for snakes to occasionally skip meals, Babette thought nothing of it at first. After six months went by without so much as a mouse passing between the fangs of her little angel Babette became quite agitated about the health of her beloved son. She booked an appointment with her vet for the following week.

That night Babette woke up to discover that her Scale Child was not in its usual curled up nighttime position but rather was stretched out to its full length and was completely rigid. With the panic only experienced by a mother when its child is ill, Babette flung into action, soothing her Reptilian Son until it curled back up and went to sleep. This nighttime rigidity carried on for three nights in a row, Babette often waking up four or five times within the course of one night to discover her snake stretched out the entire length of her body and hard as a rock.

Unable to wait until her booked vet appointment, Babette packed up her son and headed to the vet office that morning. Upon arriving she was completely hysterical that her scaly baby was on the verge of death. The vet brought her in and upon hearing her account of the snake child’s behavior immediately confined the snake to a tank in the back room and had his assistants attempt to console the ****** that was Babette.

Upon the vet’s return he immediately soothed the stricken mother that there was absolutely nothing physically wrong with her snake. In fact he was thriving absolutely and had perhaps grown to such an extent that it was time for him to move on to perhaps a larger and more structured home environment. Babette was floored, but he was her pet and she loved him.

Unable to find a delicate way to say it the vet just shot her the straight goods.

Snakes will typically starve themselves in preparation for a large meal. This is likely why the snake had refused to eat for the last six months. When given an opportunity to measure what is typically going to be an ample amount of prey a python will gauge its capacity to digest it by measuring itself against the length of its planned meal.

The full-length rigidity your snake was exhibiting while you were sleeping was him measuring you.

He was planning to eat you.

[KORBIN5895]

I can't believe you actually posted that. As Kat would say......Fail.

[Trollbie]

I can't believe you actually posted that. As Kat would say......Fail.

Why? I came across this randomly when I was researching habitat set ups for milksnakes... I found it funny because it's stupid.

But my bad...

[Bradyloach]

Don't be sorry troll! I enjoyed reading that :)

[Little Wise Owl]

Haha, did Gauxgaux say he lets his snakes roam free with a cat and ferret? This is where I stopped believing in any of it... If anyone knows ferrets, they'll know that they WILL kill any animal small than them. Not to mention there's a cat in the mix too... In my house, if a snake got out, it's dead meat. My cats will not hesitate to bat it to death and my ferrets will go straight for the kill. They'd see it as a free meal.

This is just silly.

[BarelyBreathing]

getting high... or did you mean the actual animals?


Hahaha, I'm sorry, but you have one of the lamest mascots in the history of schools. No offense.

[KORBIN5895]

Why? I came across this randomly when I was researching habitat set ups for milksnakes... I found it funny because it's stupid.

But my bad...

Sorry but I hear that story every time I tell someone I have boas.

[Trollbie]

Hahaha, I'm sorry, but you have one of the lamest mascots in the history of schools. No offense.

Psh... you mean most unique?

HATER!!!!

[Trollbie]

Sorry but I hear that story every time I tell someone I have boas.

I've actually never heard it before, nor have I ever heard anyone say anything about pet snakes eating people :/

[KORBIN5895]

I've actually never heard it before, nor have I ever heard anyone say anything about pet snakes eating people :/

Don't worry. You will hear it so often you will look people in the eye and say that was my snake that did that. Then tell them you had to release it for your own safety.

[BarelyBreathing]

Psh... you mean most unique?

HATER!!!!


If you say so. :laugh::wacky:

[Trollbie]

Don't worry. You will hear it so often you will look people in the eye and say that was my snake that did that. Then tell them you had to release it for your own safety.

I will tell them that exactly!

[jaleely]

i haven't read that before, but it was an almost good story...see, really the snake shouldn't have lived so long before she took it to the vet, and the vet told her this story because he knew she was stupid....and then she gives up the snake to a better home and it eats and lives just fine. it should end with the snake being able to be away from her and her bad husbandry!!!
oh and there should be the truth of how much poop would be in her bed if someone really slept with their snake all the time *lol*

[infernalis]

hey trollbie, just so you know, we don't use the "R word" here, several members have children with disabilities, and out of respect, we just don't use that word.

[Trollbie]

hey trollbie, just so you know, we don't use the "R word" here, several members have children with disabilities, and out of respect, we just don't use that word.

I used it? I don't recall using it ever... But I'm sorry

[infernalis]

No problem, it's in the babette story.

[Trollbie]

No problem, it's in the babette story.

Oooh I just copied and pasted. Didn't even think about it...

[*Don't Mind Me*]

The vet brought her in and upon hearing her account of the snake child’s behavior immediately confined the snake to a tank in the back room and had his assistants attempt to console the ****** that was Babette.
Was this the unacceptable part? I thought It was okay if it was infrequent and censored.
Either way, words like that shouldn't be used at all, especially when they can create disrespect.

[jaleely]

can't a mod just edit the post to take it out, rather than us all posting about it and bringing it up?

[*Don't Mind Me*]

i would guess so to

[infernalis]

can't a mod just edit the post to take it out, rather than us all posting about it and bringing it up?

I could do that, but then we don't know any better next time.

I remember once I used to be on another forum and one of the mods would edit posts and say nothing.

drove me crazy, how are we supposed to know why words are vanishing if nothing gets said about it.

[Trollbie]

I could do that, but then we don't know any better next time.

I remember once I used to be on another forum and one of the mods would edit posts and say nothing.

drove me crazy, how are we supposed to know why words are vanishing if nothing gets said about it.

I can't even see any bad words

[Gungirl]

Dumber I second the Fail! lol

[MoreliAddict]

My garter snake is somewhere happy in the wild because she snuck off when I looked down for two minutes.

We all make mistakes. I will post pictures soon to prove to you all I have happy, healthy, and very intelligent animals.
say what you want but that line about the garter snake was funny

and we should've waited for pics before ban http://ball-pythons.net/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[verethragna]

I know this is an old topic but I feel the need to share information from a scientific point of view. For one, in recent studies they found that anoles had an equivalent intelligence or even greater intelligence than some birds (Lizards may be smarter than you think | TG Daily (http://www.tgdaily.com/general-sciences-features/57266-lizards-may-be-smarter-than-you-think)). Originally, people thought reptiles were dumb because they were unable to problem solve like rodents running in mazes, but if you think about it....why would a reptile ever run through a maze, it is not in their nature. However, it is possible to train a reptile to go through a maze given enough training. Another misconception people have is that since the reptile's brain is so small it can't be smart. We commonly think that bigger brains, means you are smarter. Nope, not true. Every living being is wired differently. Look at elephants, according to that logic elephants should be smarter and thus the dominant species, but they aren't. The link I included was a study that was released in 2011, so its relatively recent. Humans also try to rationalize things, in order to feel like they understand it. If a reptile did feel love, would they perceive it the same as we do? Truth is, we can keep dissecting reptile brains and figure out the physical structure of its brain. But in the scientific community today, we know nothing about consciousness so who are we to judge what they are capable of? Humans can be like mother theresa to someone like hitler, a saint to a monster. Not all reptiles are the same and I truly believe some reptiles are capable of love in their own way, while some aren't. Sorry if this was too long of a read

[KORBIN5895]

I know this is an old topic but I feel the need to share information from a scientific point of view. For one, in recent studies they found that anoles had an equivalent intelligence or even greater intelligence than some birds (Lizards may be smarter than you think | TG Daily (http://www.tgdaily.com/general-sciences-features/57266-lizards-may-be-smarter-than-you-think)). Originally, people thought reptiles were dumb because they were unable to problem solve like rodents running in mazes, but if you think about it....why would a reptile ever run through a maze, it is not in their nature. However, it is possible to train a reptile to go through a maze given enough training. Another misconception people have is that since the reptile's brain is so small it can't be smart. We commonly think that bigger brains, means you are smarter. Nope, not true. Every living being is wired differently. Look at elephants, according to that logic elephants should be smarter and thus the dominant species, but they aren't. The link I included was a study that was released in 2011, so its relatively recent. Humans also try to rationalize things, in order to feel like they understand it. If a reptile did feel love, would they perceive it the same as we do? Truth is, we can keep dissecting reptile brains and figure out the physical structure of its brain. But in the scientific community today, we know nothing about consciousness so who are we to judge what they are capable of? Humans can be like mother theresa to someone like hitler, a saint to a monster. Not all reptiles are the same and I truly believe some reptiles are capable of love in their own way, while some aren't. Sorry if this was too long of a read

Sorry but there was nothing scientific in that drivel.

[Herptile Lover]

I don't want to be criticized on here for believing in what I believe in, and I mean this in the nicest way possible, but please don't dis me and try to tell me my way of thinking is wrong. I am just looking for a different view of the subject, not the right one because right now, I dont think there is a right one, a 100% positive answer to this question.

The question: Do you believe snakes have some emotions?

I don't believe they have quite the same emotions as us, or a dog, or a cat, but that they are capable of a little bit more than what most of us might think from an "instinctual" animal. My KSB boy is super sweet and he does look like he has a little bit of thoughts and emotions going on in that little brain of his.

The first example, I once had him on the side of the bed with me when I was doing some research on the laptop. I was scratching the underneath of his chin (He does seem to enjoy it. I would be scratching his chin for maybe 5-10 minutes at a time and he doesn't stop until I stop and when I do stop, he will start rubbing up against my hand repeatedly until a little bit of time has passed or I start scratching his chin again. Not sure what it is but he seems to like it) and then my dog came up and my attention diverted from him to her and immeadiantly, he crawled onto me and started rubbing up against my face until I payed attention to him again. It seemed it was jealousy but who knows.

The second example, I was on my laptop watching youtube videos over his care (I like to refresh my knowledge of them once a week even though I have written his care down in a journal) and he got on the keyboard and tried to burrow into the keyboard it seemed and when it bounced back up, he froze and just stared at it for maybe a minute. Then, he pressed down on the key again and when it bounced back up, THE SAME EXACT REACTION. It seemed there was some kind of thought process going on because he did that maybe five times.

The last example, my friend whom had come over wanted to hold him and I gave him to her for a moment and I was sitting on one side of the couch, my friend on the other side. And that snake immeadiantly JUMPED from her hands and darted towards me before slithering inside my jacked pocket (His favorite hang out). That one is a bit touchy on whether or not it was the cause of emotions or not but I still believe it could be.

Again, I very strongly believe they have some thought process going on and some human emotions. I am open to any other ideas.

[infernalis]

this subject has been heavily debated & discussed before..

Seems like we have a recent thread on the subject..???

[MDT]

i can tell you that from an anatomical point of view, their brain is very primitive and unlikely to be capable of emotion. beyond that, it's probably all subjective...
no offense intended.

[KORBIN5895]

No. They don't feel emotions.

[Aaron_S]

Just because you read the snakes basic habits as something more doesn't make them have emotions like you say.

My snake flew out of it's bin earlier and tried to give me an open mouth kiss. She loves me. No those aren't teeth or any sign of aggression. It's love. I have now proved snakes can love people. Where's my nobel prize?

[mykee]

"My snake flew out of it's bin earlier and tried to give me an open mouth kiss. She loves me. No those aren't teeth or any sign of aggression. It's love. I have now proved snakes can love people. Where's my nobel prize?
"
LOL!!!
A Hero Cookie is the best you're going to get. Chump.

[alessia55]

Merged these threads together since they're on the same topic.

[Aaron_S]

LOL!!!
A Hero Cookie is the best you're going to get. Chump.

Beggers can't be choosers.

[shaunyboy]

i can tell you that from an anatomical point of view, their brain is very primitive and unlikely to be capable of emotion. beyond that, it's probably all subjective...
no offense intended.

^^^^^
this.....

a snakes brain does NOT have,the chemically or physically ability,to feel/display/have emotions,they just don't have the correct anatomy....

what they have is INSTINCT,instinct to procreate,eat and survive

what age and species is your male ?

some species do a rubbing on,jiggy jiggy dance,to encourage the female to be more receptive during breeding season...

so hence the rubbing on the hand and face :confused:

cheers shaun

[MDT]

some species do a rubbing on,jiggy jiggy dance,to encourage the female to be more receptive during breeding season...

Wait....don't we all do this?
:)


Jus sayin'

[Revenant]

My snakes can feel love. They love the rodent pets I give them. They hug them so hard and kiss them and don't want to be away from them for a second. Somehow the pets keep escaping, I guess. My snakes are always so sad afterwards I just keep getting them new pets every week or two so they won't be lonely. Poor dears.

[Deac77]

Ok I know I'm new here but I'm going to weigh in on this given my specialty is in monitors and tegus I'm not that well aquatinted with snakes other than my bull,that being said, it has been proven that monitor lizards and tegus can count as high as 6 and in more than one instance have shown preference over one person to the next. My tegu Kirby has 2 cages atm since he is so young he spends his night in a 55 gal with proper heating and lighting and most of his days in a spare closet (before you fly off your handle it is converted and sealed to hold proper humidity lvls and has multiple basking spots/UVB spots). That being said he has his favorite spots every morning when he is ready he scratches the glass to let me know he's ready to move to his closet where he is fed and allowed to bask (keep in mind he can do all this in the 55gal but he prefers his closet wouldn't you it's HUGE haha) anyway we do our thing and feed he has his favorite basking spots as what not and then I go in for social time. Without food as a reward only affection From me or help shedding he has learned and responds to his name a lot of time I will go in there with the laptop and watch Netflix and he will leave his basking spot to come nap on my lap or belly or back and yes I know they move to thermoregulate but keep in mind he has multiple areas to choose and chooses where I am at. He will follow me around the house hot on my heels lol and only goes away when he needs to bask again or wants a drink. Now given that these particular lizards along with monitors have been proven to be intelligent I find it hard to believe a intelligent animals is incapable of emotions granted I'm aware of the missing part of the brain and do acknowledge it I do not believe it is the same as us but I do believe they are for their keepers.

[KORBIN5895]

Wait....don't we all do this?
:)


Jus sayin'

Plus one! Jus sayin'!