can anyone help out on morph

[scott1m]

can anyone help out with the morth of this? i got it from reptile shop about a month ago, was told it was a granite but theres not much speckels onit. Unless its been breed with a normal (which i dont know what the mum and dad was, i didnt get no paperwork with it at all)
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[Ikester1981]

Hmmm... I'm more into Morelia my self but it looks like a straight up Ball to me?? maybe a closer shot could shed some more light for others more of the ball tastes

[alessia55]

It's hard to tell from such a small photo, but it looks like a normal ball python to me. A granite ball python would have much more speckling on the sides, which yours doesn't have. Granite - Morph List - World of Ball Pythons (http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/granite/)

[Snakefood]

I am in no way experienced with balls yrt. but that looks like a colorful normal or a really dull pastel to me!!

Pretty either way!!

[scott1m]

I am in no way experienced with balls yrt. but that looks like a colorful normal or a really dull pastel to me!!

Pretty either way!!

hi thanks to all the replys..
i was leaning towards a normalxpastel thou there is some speckels on the side of the body.. i bought this as a granite and paid £150 for this snake, maybes a bit much if its a normal. ill put some pics on in a min with a few closer shots of him

[alessia55]

hi thanks to all the replys..
i was leaning towards a normalxpastel thou there is some speckels on the side of the body.. i bought this as a granite and paid £150 for this snake, maybes a bit much if its a normal. ill put some pics on in a min with a few closer shots of him

Ouch, you might've overpaid :hmm: Put up closer photos of his sides too.

[Snakefood]

a normal x pastel would look exactly like a normal but have the gene (het) for Pastel.

For a normal that is alot of money, but petshops are notorious for WAYY overcharging for snakes!!

[scott1m]

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[scott1m]

a normal x pastel would look exactly like a normal but have the gene (het) for Pastel.

For a normal that is alot of money, but petshops are notorious for WAYY overcharging for snakes!!

few pics for u to look at

[exwizard]

very nice looking.

[scott1m]

how can i get the pictures to enlarge?

[exwizard]

it has to do with the size of the pics you upload, if theyre bigger then they will automatically downsize to fit the thread. Thats when you can click on the pic to see the bigger image.

[Snakefood]

here's a pic of my 2 yr old Pastel for comparison

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[exwizard]

That looks pretty close but what do I know? :p

[scott1m]

here's a pic of my 2 yr old Pastel for comparison

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nice snake!! that looks kinda close to mine, maybes a bit lighter, similar markings? what u think

[Gungirl]

I am guessing you have a normal..

[Snakefood]

I think you should ask Alessia, that's what I think!!

I'm just starting in B/P's, ask me about corns and I can help!

[alessia55]

I'm torn... I'm really not convinced that's anything other than a really nice normal... it doesn't convince me that it's a granite 100%. Hopefully Mykee and some of our other members will chime in with their opinions too.

[GarterPython]

I am guessing that it is a normal because I have seen quite a bit of Pastels and I don't think that that ball python is bright enough to be a Pastel. I am guessing that it is a Normal or a really weirdly coloured Granite because normally they have more "spots"

[scott1m]

I'm torn... I'm really not convinced that's anything other than a really nice normal... it doesn't convince me that it's a granite 100%. Hopefully Mykee and some of our other members will chime in with their opinions too.

thanks for having a look, when i got it home and started to research it i kinda thought it wasnt a granite due to the fact its not got much speckles on the side, it has a fair bit of blushing which was leaning me to being pastelxnormal? im new to ball pythons so dont really know much about them yet, i just research all the time to try gain exp on them, which has me thinking if this bloke at the shop had my eyes out when i bought it

[CK SandBoas]

To me, it looks like a very pretty Normal:)

[JustBitten]

That looks like a normal to me... The pastels I have seen are much lighter/brighter.

As I understand morph genetics, even if it had a pastel parent, if it is in fact a normal it doesn't carry the pastel gene and won't produce any pastel babies if bred to another normal looking animal. If one of the parents was a recessive morph like albino or pied, then a normal looking animal can carry the gene for that as a "het".

Hope that helps.

[alessia55]

In any case, if you don't plan on breeding, and simply want this snake as a pet, the morph doesn't really matter ;)

[Snakefood]

no that's not quite right. If this snakes parents were 1 normal and 1 pastel then the babies would "look" (homo) Normal but carry the gene (het) for pastel.

So your right that if this snake was normal het pastel, and bred to a normal, you would not get pastels. But if you breed that same snake to a pastel, you would get normals and pastels.

[mattchibi]

Definitely not pastel or pastel related.

I'd call that a possible granite (dinker), wont know if its genetic until you prove him out by breeding, although there does seem to be the slightest amount of speckling.

If you haven't got plans for breeding, I wouldn't worry about it. Hes a VERY nice normal in the very worst case scenario.

[Snakefood]

he is beautiful!!

[GarterPython]

Definitely not pastel or pastel related.

I'd call that a possible granite (dinker), wont know if its genetic until you prove him out by breeding, although there does seem to be the slightest amount of speckling.

If you haven't got plans for breeding, I wouldn't worry about it. Hes a VERY nice normal in the very worst case scenario.

Nicely said!

[KORBIN5895]

150£!!!!! That's crazy! I think you have been taken advantage of.

[UwabamiReptiles]

no that's not quite right. If this snakes parents were 1 normal and 1 pastel then the babies would "look" (homo) Normal but carry the gene (het) for pastel.


So your right that if this snake was normal het pastel, and bred to a normal, you would not get pastels. But if you breed that same snake to a pastel, you would get normals and pastels.


The pastel mutation is a co-dom gene so there is no such thing as a het pastel. When you breed a pastel to a normal, the ratio for the clutch should be 50% pastels and 50% normals. The normal looking offspring are nothing more than just normals. The only way you got het anything is when a recessive mutation is involved.

You're right about if bred to a normal you'll only get normals and if bred to a pastel you'll get 50/50 pastel and normals. You just threw me off with the het pastel.

[mykee]

Dang, beat me to it. No such thing as a het pastel.

As for the genetics of the OP's animal, looks totally normal to me, but who knows.

[Will0W783]

Yep, I agree with the others that it appears to be a normal- I do not know much about granites (they look pretty much normal to me), but yours doesn't have speckling. If I were you, I'd stop shopping at that pet store unless they can provide you with solid paperwork for the snake. I think you've been had. So sorry. :(

[lady_bug87]

Just for reference since this has in my mind been pretty settled, here is a pic of my 2010 normal male as you can see he has white, yellow, brown, tan and coffee as his colours. he is 100% normal.. just funny looking!

The interesting thing is that normal BPs come in a lot of flavours so if it looks like a normal but *could* be mixed with something make sure you get it from a reputable breeder because the words "possible het" could run the price up without really knowing... unless you breed it

[UwabamiReptiles]

Dang, beat me to it. No such thing as a het pastel.

As for the genetics of the OP's animal, looks totally normal to me, but who knows.


Sorry Mykee...