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Snakefood
03-18-12, 11:08 AM
OK, my choices are:

A male pastel
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A male mohave
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A male spider
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or a normal 100% het genetic stripe female.

The pastel is from a kijiji ad on the net, the baby spider from a rescue and the other two are from a very reputable breeder. pics are of actual animals for sale.

what do you guys think??
Trent
03-18-12, 11:10 AM
Mojave!!!!
youngster
03-18-12, 11:14 AM
Spider IMO :)
Kaity
03-18-12, 11:21 AM
I mean, I'd snap up that mojave in a hot second, but I'm pretty partial to understated morphs. But I suppose he looks flawless either way, huh?
KORBIN5895
03-18-12, 11:24 AM
Get the male pastel and the female spider.
Snakefood
03-18-12, 11:24 AM
he is beautiful.

I think I have decided against the pastel. And the female het for now.

so it's down to either the rescue spider baby or the mojave from a great breeder
Snakefood
03-18-12, 11:25 AM
nope the spider is male too!!

the female listed is a normal het for stripe

And I only have enough cash for one right now.
alessia55
03-18-12, 11:26 AM
Do you want them for breeding plans? If so, go with the one that best aligns with your breeding plans in the future. Is it just a pet? Then go with whichever best fits what you like aesthetically, and what makes the most sense within your budget. Any of them would be great additions to a collection.
Snakefood
03-18-12, 11:43 AM
Do you want them for breeding plans? If so, go with the one that best aligns with your breeding plans in the future. Is it just a pet? Then go with whichever best fits what you like aesthetically, and what makes the most sense within your budget. Any of them would be great additions to a collection.

1) yes I will probably breed B/P's in the future, but right now I am focusing on my corn projects. However any future breeding plans I have for B/P's would be piebalds and super bee's?? (not sure if that is the right name) I haven't finished researching B/P genetics to see exactly what I want to create in the future for sure except that I do want to do high white piebalds and soemthing else that is higher end (I like the bees)

I can afford to buy any of the above listed snakes. $200 cash in pocket.

The spider is $170
The mojave is $200
the pastel is $120
alessia55
03-18-12, 11:47 AM
If you're looking to make a bumble bee (http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/bumble-bee/), then you would need a pastel and a spider, so get one of those and not the mojave. If you're interested in mojave-carrying morphs, go with that. Have you played around on World of Ball Pythons (http://www.worldofballpythons.com) yet? It had a huge morph list and a genetic morph wizard.
Snakefood
03-18-12, 11:51 AM
No, I haven't, but now I intend to. I love playing on the corn calculator, so I expect I will enjoy playing on the morph-wizzard.

could you list some mojave carrying morphs?? Then I can take a look and see if that is a direction I want to go.

Also I take it that pastels are typically cheaper in price than spiders, so grabbing up the male spider and finding a female pastel may be the way to go for bumble bees??
alessia55
03-18-12, 01:22 PM
could you list some mojave carrying morphs?? Then I can take a look and see if that is a direction I want to go.
Albino mojave
Banana mojave
Axanthic mojave
Axanthic pastave
"Boom ball" (Mojave Sulfur Pastel Pinstripe)
Blue Eyed Luecistic (Butter mojave)
Cinnamon mojave pastel spider
Mojave pastel phantom
...the list is pretty extensive; those are just some that come to mind. All of them are on World of Ball Pythons.


Also I take it that pastels are typically cheaper in price than spiders, so grabbing up the male spider and finding a female pastel may be the way to go for bumble bees??

Sure. It doesn't matter which you buy as male or female. ;)
exwizard
03-18-12, 02:31 PM
I am not a BP guy but if the choice was mine, I would go with the Spider.
GarterPython
03-18-12, 10:01 PM
I vote spider because they are within your price range and they are definitly one of MY favorite snakes. That spider looks really nice and I think the price is good. A pastel isn't hard to find for 100$ to 120$ so you can easily wait to get that when you actually start breeding. It all also depends on you personal preference. We can sit here all day list off the ones we would take but it is all in the end up to you and up to what you are doing in the future + what you like and what you want to keep as a pet/breeding snake.
Snakefood
03-18-12, 10:34 PM
true enough, but I enjoy hearing other's opinions, and Allesia is a fountain of knowledge when it comes to B/P's.

Check out the "my first B/P (and another soon) thread to see what I actually picked up!!
Trollbie
03-19-12, 02:22 AM
Rescue baby!!!!
Jenn_06
03-19-12, 04:57 AM
I love spiders but for a rescue 170 is a little high. And Is there anyway to see the spider before you buy is so you can see if it has a wobble? Mojos are sweet looking snakes and if you breed him to a lasser, butter or another mojo you get BEL I hear lasser X mojo makes whiter BEL.
KORBIN5895
03-19-12, 05:03 AM
She has a new thread about which one she chose. Also the spider has a bad wobble
millertime89
03-21-12, 10:12 AM
I am not a BP guy but if the choice was mine, I would go with the Spider.

this is what I would do too
Snakefood
03-21-12, 10:24 AM
Don't worry guys, I got a nice pastel male from a rep breeder and have a female SPIDER with no wobble on hold from the same guy!!

Now I need to sell some rabbits, rats and mice to pay her off!!
MoreliAddict
03-21-12, 11:19 AM
i think the spider looks best imo and with a spider you'll be half-way to producing bumblebees which is a favorite morph of mine. but familiarize yourself with what "spider wobble" is before you buy it ;)

edit: guess i'm a bit late, but congrats and good luck if you ever go for bees!
KORBIN5895
03-21-12, 11:41 AM
I thought all spiders had some wobble?
Snakefood
03-21-12, 12:42 PM
this girl is a 2011 hatchling, and as of yet has not shown a wobble. according to her breeder, that is typical of a spider that will have little to no "noticable" wobble as an adult, and by the time I out-cross a spider like that with the morphs that I plan to cross her with, the babies will not have wobbles at all.
mykee
03-21-12, 01:45 PM
by the time I out-cross a spider like that with the morphs that I plan to cross her with, the babies will not have wobbles at all.""
EVERY spider wobbles to some degree. EVERY ONE.

I personally stay away from spider and spider crosses, over the last few years I've gotten my spider and spider crosses way down to only taking up 11 bins in my collection. Over the last 7 years of so I have begun crossing everything into pinstripes, it's the new spider without the neurological issues.

Mojaves all the way.
Mojaves are very underrated morphs.
I currently have 29 mojave and mojave crosses in my collection.
They can make such a wide variety of combos.
Snakefood
03-21-12, 01:53 PM
Mykee:

are pinstripes related in any way to Spiders??

And do you agree with this breeder that once it's been crossed out to say an Albino Bumble Bee or Axanthic Bumble Bee that those snakes would not have a wobble??

Oh, and he didn't say this one doesn't or won't wobble, he says he has not seen any noticable wobble as of yet, she was only hatched last fall.
Snakefood
03-21-12, 01:56 PM
he has some beautiful Mojave's.
mykee
03-21-12, 02:51 PM
"are pinstripes related in any way to Spiders??"

No, completely different morph.

"And do you agree with this breeder that once it's been crossed out to say an Albino Bumble Bee or Axanthic Bumble Bee that those snakes would not have a wobble??"

This breeder either doesn't know any better or he is just flat out lying; ALL spiders and spider combos wobble to some degree. Outbreeding them into different morphs will not lessen the wobble.