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Strutter769
03-08-12, 07:06 PM
Garter snake?
theapexgerman
03-08-12, 07:07 PM
Can you get a better pic wayne should know if its a garter tho
Trent
03-08-12, 07:09 PM
Doesn't look like a garter,but the pic is hazy.
BarelyBreathing
03-08-12, 07:10 PM
I don't think it's a garter.
Strutter769
03-08-12, 07:10 PM
Sorry, all.I've got. Friend of my dad's I just met. Only pic in existence.
SSSSnakes
03-08-12, 07:19 PM
Where was the picture taken?
BarelyBreathing
03-08-12, 07:21 PM
Where was the picture taken?


Jerry, do you have snake ID radar?
Strutter769
03-08-12, 07:29 PM
Where was the picture taken?

Southwest MO. 10 mi. North of Arkansas border.
infernalis
03-08-12, 07:43 PM
Thamnophis Elegans Vegrans.

http://www.whitman.edu/environmental_studies/JWC/plate5.JPG

I have 2.

My Melanistic guy "Ice T" is one.
BarelyBreathing
03-08-12, 07:45 PM
The snake in the first picture looks like it has a yellow belly.
Trent
03-08-12, 07:46 PM
and kinda green!
BarelyBreathing
03-08-12, 07:47 PM
I don't think it's the same snake at all.
Strutter769
03-08-12, 07:48 PM
Thamnophis Elegans Vegrans.

http://www.whitman.edu/environmental_studies/JWC/plate5.JPG

I have 2.

My Melanistic guy "Ice T" is one.

TY Wayne. I was counting on ya, my friend. Is there a layman's name?
Trent
03-08-12, 07:51 PM
I don't think it's the same snake at all.
I am with you on this one.
SSSSnakes
03-08-12, 07:59 PM
Jerry, do you have snake ID radar?
I have it programed in my PC. Anything that says ID, I get an alert message.
SSSSnakes
03-08-12, 08:00 PM
I am with you on this one.
Me too. It doesn't appear to be, but I've been wrong before.
Gungirl
03-08-12, 08:06 PM
I was thinking eastern yellowbelly racer?
alessia55
03-08-12, 10:34 PM
Looks like a rat snake of some sort. Doesn't look like a garter snake to me :hmm:
Caylan
03-09-12, 05:00 AM
Yeah I hate to object to Wayne but I zoomed in on the picture and the pattern is far more mottled and banded... I don't think it's a garter, it reminds me more of a northern water snake.
http://www.hoganphoto.com/Northern_Water_Snake.jpg
infernalis
03-09-12, 05:37 AM
Yeah I hate to object to Wayne but I zoomed in on the picture and the pattern is far more mottled and banded... I don't think it's a garter, it reminds me more of a northern water snake.


Excellent call +1 (without zooming it looks speckled)

http://www.thamfriends.com/pic/pattern.jpg
Caylan
03-09-12, 07:01 AM
Why thank you:D
KORBIN5895
03-09-12, 08:26 AM
I don't think Missouri counts as northern though.
Caylan
03-09-12, 10:44 AM
I wasn't sure about that myself, so i looked it up just now... Handy little website for your viewing pleasure... http://mdc.mo.gov/sites/default/files/resources/2010/05/5187_3026.pdf
There are northern water snakes in Missouri as well as other species of water snakes too. I stick to my ID though...
KORBIN5895
03-09-12, 11:28 AM
My money is on a yellow bellied racer (http://www.google.ca/search?tbm=isch&source=mog&hl=en&gl=us&client=ms-android-google&tab=wi&q=easter%20yellow%20belly%20racer&sa=N&biw=320&bih=452#i=13) or possibly a yellow bellied water snake. According to that PDF northern water snakes are only found in the Norther ⅔ of MO.
bushsnake
03-09-12, 08:48 PM
anyone think that it could be a speckled king?
*Don't Mind Me*
03-09-12, 09:37 PM
http://www.californiaherps.com/snakes/imth/xtevagranssphand.jpg (http://www.californiaherps.com/snakes/images/tevagranssphand.jpg)
This is a Thamnophis elegans vagrans (Wandering Gartersnake). It looks pretty similar to me.
BarelyBreathing
03-09-12, 09:42 PM
The snake in your picture has a dorsal line that the snake in the OP's picture doesn't have.
*Don't Mind Me*
03-09-12, 09:53 PM
Yeah, you're right. I didn't notice the zoomed-in pic of the snake.
BarelyBreathing
03-09-12, 09:57 PM
Unfortunately, unless we could get a better picture, it's nearly impossible to get a hundred percent identification on.
infernalis
03-09-12, 11:44 PM
The snake in your picture has a dorsal line that the snake in the OP's picture doesn't have.

I have seen quite a few wandering garters that lack the dorsal stripe, hence my first guess.
KORBIN5895
03-09-12, 11:46 PM
If you check the PDF caylan posted it tells you what snakes are found in Missouri and what areas they are found.
bushsnake
03-10-12, 08:01 AM
its a speckled kingsnake...
bushsnake
03-10-12, 08:30 AM
100%.... yellow belly racers, plainbelly waters and wandering garters are not found within that range
KORBIN5895
03-10-12, 09:12 AM
Actually if you read page three of aforementioned PDF you will see that according to the state of Missouri they have eastern yellow bellied racers statewide.
bushsnake
03-10-12, 10:03 AM
yellow bellies are in missouri...just not in the southeastern portion were this snake was said to be found....its a speckled king
KORBIN5895
03-10-12, 10:39 AM
Southwest MO. 10 mi. North of Arkansas border.

Yellow bellied racer;)
bushsnake
03-10-12, 10:52 AM
....i still think speckled king, thats what it looks like to me:P
*Don't Mind Me*
03-10-12, 11:03 AM
....i still think speckled king, thats what it looks like to me:P
I agree, but there's no way to be sure...
http://www.californiaherps.com/noncal/misc/miscsnakes/imth/xlgholbrookiiks407.jpg (http://www.californiaherps.com/noncal/misc/miscsnakes/images/lgholbrookiiks407.jpg)
Speckled Kingsnake