View Full Version : Just....Can't...Say...No...
I seriously can't stop myself from buying more snakes...
I am financially stable so that isn't the problem but the boyfriend isn't too keen on it :p OH WELL.
The female we just got (Pewter BP) Brandi, now has a buddy that she hangs with all the time. I believe they are from the same clutch but I don't think so. Their colours are different...he is a lot darker and has more warm tones while Brandi has more greys and is lighter in general. They probably share the same father....
So here I introduce my newest Male Pewter BP! (who also has no name...although I'm in charge of his name!)
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/9421/img5170j.jpg
Face Shot
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/149/img5174r.jpg
Nice Clear Tummy :)
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2342/img5178n.jpg
Pattern/Colour
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/4875/img5180w.jpg
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1733/img5202x.jpg
No more snakes! At least until the Expo in April :D
CK SandBoas
03-05-12, 04:55 PM
What a great looking Royal!
The two "Lovers" ;)
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/8942/img5148gx.jpg
Brandi (the female) is in front.
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/3086/img5150c.jpg
Cuddle Bugs...
http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/5051/img5159k.jpg
http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/266/img51632.jpg
<3 Love 'em
What a great looking Royal!
Thank-you :D
krystle
03-05-12, 05:27 PM
oooo what a nice pair of snakes so jealous. i was thinking of getting a pewter bp myself!
wendhend
03-05-12, 05:29 PM
Very nice! I am totally hooked on snakes as well. They are SO addictive!
theapexgerman
03-05-12, 05:34 PM
Nice looking snake ya got there
oooo what a nice pair of snakes so jealous. i was thinking of getting a pewter bp myself!
Thanks so much! They are totally worth it. Trust me :)
Very nice! I am totally hooked on snakes as well. They are SO addictive!
I know...Snakes are my addiction xD
Nice looking snake ya got there
Why thank ya :)
maximus30576
03-05-12, 05:38 PM
Awesome royals , hope the boyfriend is not too hard on you ..
Awesome royals , hope the boyfriend is not too hard on you ..
I think he is warming up to them. When I first got the female he wasn't impressed about it, but now he loves her and is glad I got her haha :p So I'm sure the same will happen with the male...hopefully ;)
alessia55
03-05-12, 05:55 PM
Congrats! Both are beautiful!
Brandi, now has a buddy that she hangs with all the time.
You don't mean that you house them together...right?
Congrats! Both are beautiful!
You don't mean that you house them together...right?
No...no. Definitely not! Only when I decide to take them both out do they chill out together. :)
alessia55
03-05-12, 06:07 PM
No...no. Definitely not! Only when I decide to take them both out do they chill out together. :)
Gotcha ;)
You're going to have some great breeding projects in the future
I know I'm super excited! Hopefully the male will be ready by the end of the year. I want to breed him to my pastel female, so I'm pretty stoked! :D
KORBIN5895
03-05-12, 09:02 PM
Nice snakes!!
How long did you quarantine?
Aaron_S
03-05-12, 11:56 PM
Kevin! You beat me to it.
KORBIN5895
03-06-12, 07:07 AM
Kevin! You beat me to it.
;) I am learning.
Nice snakes!!
How long did you quarantine?
Thanks very much!
As for the quarantine, they both came from the same breeder and clutch; I was supposed to get them the same day...ended up getting him 2 days after her. They are both in separate tubs and haven't been introduced to any other reptiles as of yet. It's been about a week and some since I have gotten them. How long should I refrain them from being introduced to the others?
I've kept my eye out for RI, scale rot, and mites of course. No sign of any of that from either one. :)
KORBIN5895
03-06-12, 09:37 PM
I believe the rule of thumb is three months for royals. I can't say for sure as I don't have much royal experience. I also figured there was a back story.
I believe the rule of thumb is three months for royals. I can't say for sure as I don't have much royal experience. I also figured there was a back story.
Okay good to know. And I'm sure there are some previous threads that contain information on it as well. I'll be sure to do some searching! Thanks :)
alessia55
03-06-12, 11:45 PM
I agree with the 3- to 6-month quarantine rule for ball pythons. Minimum of 12 weeks.
mattchibi
03-07-12, 12:00 AM
Oh my god super pewters !!!
Get some piebald in there and youve got some camo looking things!
I am currently doing 6 month qt, seperate feeding tongs for each snake (got them all pretty recently), always wash before dealing with each snake or I use nitrile gloves, one pair for each snake. I usually will put on a pair of gloves in the early morning as well as at night, and pull the tubs out slightly to spot check for urates. I am so OCD that I use antibacterial wipes on the tubs where I touched them with the gloves (I dont like wasting 5 pairs of gloves in the morning just for spot checking). Then if there are things to attend to, I will do them seperately for each snake at different times of the day, making sure to use gloves or wash hands. Currently, because of space issues, Im washing all of the hides and water bowls in the same sink, but I am using a 1:10 bleach solution so I am hoping that the bleach will more than kill any viruses or anything contagious. I also restart the QT clock as soon as I get a new snake. Since I only have one rack and just got a new black pastel, all of the snakes in that rack and room will have to be re-quarantined for 6 more months. Some people qt for 12 months, even, I guess its better to air on the side of caution. Heard too many stories of people losing their collections. That stuff scares me.. Oh yeah, and f/t rats get thrown out if refused for qt animals, and live rats are kept in that room to be re-offered to the same animal. Since I dont have an established colony at the moment, I dont have to worry about who to work with first in a day, I just keep them all as seperate as possible. Usually, people work with established first, wash down, change clothes, then work with QT colony. I havent done this yet, but I would also like to pre-treat QT tubs with PAM for new arrivals to ensure no mite infestations happen. Just have to let it air out sufficiently. Seperate rooms for established and QT, if possible. Living in a house and having central air kind of defeats the purpose of QT but do your best. Ive heard that most contagious diseases for snakes has to usually have physical contact, and cant be passed on easily via airborne. Did I miss anything? :P
Anyways, nice pair ya got there. And hope he locks with your pastel!
Here's a post about quarantine for ya:
*QT is 60 days minimum (usually 90) upstairs in the spare bedroom (the snake room is downstairs in the basement)
*Each room has it’s own supply which is cleaned separately \
*All new addition as well as establish collection get treated with PAM
*Un-eaten prey from snakes in QT are kept separately and only offered to snakes in QT
*I always work with my establish collection first and than work with the snake in QT
What perfect timing! The staff was just discussing how we'd like to start this discussion, gather input from the experienced membership and then develop a sticky on quarantine procedures for the home hobbyist/small breeder. Thanks so much Mochelem for posting these questions and starting the ball rolling. :)
Here's what my family does as far as QT. We do have special considerations here because we do take in snakes to board/foster, do the occasional rescue, etc. We also keep a mixed collection of boas, pythons and colubrids which adds it's own issues in due to disease transmission with different snake species.
1. Established ball python collection first
2. Established boas and colubrid next
3. Snakes in QT last
4. Sit down, pour a coffee and wonder why in heck you have this many snakes! :D
Our QT is on another floor of the house, the snakes there have all their own equipment (big deal really...some tongs...prey containers...hand sanitizer, etc.). I store all their supplies (clean tubs ready for use, etc.) in a big walk-in upstairs not in our BP room downstairs. We don't share prey between QT and established collection snakes.
Nobody visiting gets to see or touch the snakes in QT, we don't even really encourage our children to go near those snakes - it's not like we don't have enough snakes they can mess with LOL. If you visit and want to see a snake currently in QT, you're welcome to return and visit once it leaves QT.
If another snake enters QT, then we reset the QT "clock" back to day 1 for every snake in there.
Every snake goes to QT first. I don't care if you are God and you breed ball pythons for fun and profit, your snake is going into QT.
All snakes in QT, no matter how many weeks they are there, do not leave QT until they are healthy and have eaten at least 4 consecutive times without any issues or problems. Even if they've reached the number of days in QT, if they aren't eating, they stay put till they are.
Once we learned of more about health issues with boas and pythons in mixed collections we permanently seperated them so they now exist in different rooms, on different levels in our home and are on different day handling times. We've been doing that seperation of species for a couple of years now.
We have a some basic rules in this house and if you want to handle a snake, you follow them to the letter. You touch the snakes, you go scrub well afterwards. If you own snakes, and any of your snakes are currently ill, you are welcome to visit but can't enter the BP room or handle any of our snakes.
If we visit a snake show or a pet store, we change and wash when we get home before handling anything in our collection. I carry gel hand sanitizer in my purse at every show to use between handling snakes from different tables (most tables offer it but I bring my own anyways).
Tubs/hides/water dishes aren't reused even between snakes in the same collection until they are soaked in 10% bleach water then scrubbed and rinsed.
For me QT isn't just about bringing a snake in, it's about a day to day routine really and for all it seems a lot when it's typed out, it really isn't. I'm a busy wife and mom with other pets and just under 50 snakes to manage. If it took huge chunks of time or required a degree in microbiology, I couldn't manage it. It doesn't and it's something anyone can do in a home situation. If you can't or won't bother, then perhaps it's time to rethink continuing to add snakes to your collection.
Oh my god super pewters !!!
Get some piebald in there and youve got some camo looking things!
I am currently doing 6 month qt, seperate feeding tongs for each snake (got them all pretty recently), always wash before dealing with each snake or I use nitrile gloves, one pair for each snake. I usually will put on a pair of gloves in the early morning as well as at night, and pull the tubs out slightly to spot check for urates. I am so OCD that I use antibacterial wipes on the tubs where I touched them with the gloves (I dont like wasting 5 pairs of gloves in the morning just for spot checking). Then if there are things to attend to, I will do them seperately for each snake at different times of the day, making sure to use gloves or wash hands. Currently, because of space issues, Im washing all of the hides and water bowls in the same sink, but I am using a 1:10 bleach solution so I am hoping that the bleach will more than kill any viruses or anything contagious. I also restart the QT clock as soon as I get a new snake. Since I only have one rack and just got a new black pastel, all of the snakes in that rack and room will have to be re-quarantined for 6 more months. Some people qt for 12 months, even, I guess its better to air on the side of caution. Heard too many stories of people losing their collections. That stuff scares me.. Oh yeah, and f/t rats get thrown out if refused for qt animals, and live rats are kept in that room to be re-offered to the same animal. Since I dont have an established colony at the moment, I dont have to worry about who to work with first in a day, I just keep them all as seperate as possible. Usually, people work with established first, wash down, change clothes, then work with QT colony. I havent done this yet, but I would also like to pre-treat QT tubs with PAM for new arrivals to ensure no mite infestations happen. Just have to let it air out sufficiently. Seperate rooms for established and QT, if possible. Living in a house and having central air kind of defeats the purpose of QT but do your best. Ive heard that most contagious diseases for snakes has to usually have physical contact, and cant be passed on easily via airborne. Did I miss anything? :P
Anyways, nice pair ya got there. And hope he locks with your pastel!
Thank you so much for the information! I'm very cautious about cleaning/washing hands/keeping organized because I can't stand disorganization! I'm pretty picky about it. They are kept in a separate room from everyone else. So I'm glad I'm not the only one that's OCD :p I am super excited for this year..I hope I can produce something really nice with the male and female pastel until the female pewter is ready. I really want a pied!! :D
alessia55
03-07-12, 02:46 PM
Oh my god super pewters !!!
Super pewters are especially interesting. They can be so varied in the way they look.. Definitely something worth going for :D
Super Pewter - Morph List - World of Ball Pythons (http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/super-pewter/)
Super pewters are especially interesting. They can be so varied in the way they look.. Definitely something worth going for :D
Super Pewter - Morph List - World of Ball Pythons (http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/super-pewter/)
:O Now THAT is cool!
I think a Pewter Bee would be simply amazing... I just can't veer away from those Spider morphs! :D
Pewter Bee - Morph List - World of Ball Pythons (http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/pewter-bee/)
Aaron_S
03-08-12, 05:35 PM
I just want to make it clear on the quarantine that the 3 month time frame IS NOT just for ball pythons. I would use it for any and all reptiles.
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