getting a corn soon

[theapexgerman]

Ok so Jessica wants a corn my guy I go to getting a whole new babys corns in but there's so many to chose from I got my eye on a snow coral corn snake or a albino creamsickle corn and a bloodred corn a few others to me and jessica can't seem to chose so witch corn would you guys and girls chose it can be any type

[youngster]

I'm partial to ultramels.
Lavenders are nice too. But remember creamsicles are hybrids.

[theapexgerman]

Yea I don't have a problem with hybrids I was looking into the lavanders there so cool looking and not bad price either well I get discounts tho since he's a buddy of mine creamsickles just look so bright tho and pretty

[Caylan]

Okeetee are my fave, nothing beats a classic!

[kernel]

My vote is for the bloodred!

[theapexgerman]

@caylan yea but a little to common for me classic style is that is but Jessica is leaning over to a okeetee I may just get two

@kernel yea bloodreds look really cool its such a hard choice for me so many to chose from

[Caylan]

They aren't common anymore, hard to find a corn with less then 2 genes in it anymore FFS... your girl has good taste, get the okeetee! A selectively bred one will beat out any of the morphs you can find, and that goes for almost all species. I do like albino Okeetee's as well, but they don't age too well. Okeetee's only get better looking! Plus if its your girl who wants it anyways, just get her what she wants!

[kernel]

I already have 3 bloodreds, but if I were in your shoes, I would go bloodred.

[theapexgerman]

Yea ill prob get to I'm leaning towards a bloodred or a snow coral but still got a week or so to decide but all other morphs I'm looking into and Jessica gets her way most of time and a okeetee is one of her favs

[Caylan]

Women should always get their way, its how it works lol.

[theapexgerman]

She gets her way all of the time but guess two more snakes won't hurt me and I'm buying her what ever kind she wants its her birthday comming up in a few weeks

[Caylan]

All the more reason! So you want 2 corns now? If you're getting an Okeetee as one, I'd suggest something to breed with it as a second obviously... Okeetee Hypo might be cool if they exist.

[theapexgerman]

I won't want to breed to much work in a few years imma going to breed my durmil now I'm just w8ing for a female hope exwizard has some babys later on this year

[Snakefood]

if you can find it, get a lavendar coral snow, they are stunning. Unless of course you have $4,000.00, then I'd go Palmetto!!

[theapexgerman]

What's a palmetto? And I would never spend 4 grand on a snake

[Caylan]

Then an Okeetee and something totally ridiculous to compare the two when you post photo's lol. If it has less then 4 genes, its not even ridiculous yet just so you know... Hypo, Bloodred, axanthic, albino, motley would be nice...

[theapexgerman]

I've been leaning over towards a bloodred or a snow coral one of the two but tommrow I got ask what kinds of corns my breeder is getting he said a lot to chose from

[Caylan]

Look at all the individual snakes pictures if possible. You might find something you like just because of it's uniqueness, regardless of actual morph's. That's what I'd do.

[theapexgerman]

Well see I buy all of my snakes and mice from buddy and I get to see all of the kinds it took him a few years to get durmils in I snag one before he sold them I get discount tho and his house is a block away from me and his reptile shop is like 8 minutes away from me his website is like never updated tho

[Caylan]

Then hand pick your snake, don't ask us lol. You'll find what you want when you hold them. You won't be disappointed with an okeetee, that's all I can really say lol.

[theapexgerman]

Yea I'm just asking you guys for diffrent morphs and stuff I'm not a good perosn at choseing stuff. And I may even learn of some new kinds so that's why I ask and see what pepople likes the most but I got a week or so and I may even get more than 2 I got 3 extra cages set up and a few tubs already set up w8ing to fill up

[Caylan]

If you aren't really interested in breeding then it doesn't matter what it is, its just what you find appealing. I'd get a tamer one with fewer morphs then a nasty one with every morph lol.

[theapexgerman]

yea that's diff going to be a deciding factor but I held a lot of corns and some are mean and some are nice and these are going to be young witch is what I like watching them grow is the best part of owning a snake so since Jessics getting a corn I decided to get one to

[Caylan]

I still bounce back and forth on whether I want to get one just for the heluvit lol... My friend had one and it was awesome, they remind me of carpet pythons kinda. But I have far to many other things on my want list to worry about corn snakes lol

[theapexgerman]

Lol imma going to get another durmil a female a young one like my male is so I can breed them in 3 to 4 years but till then cornsnake time cornsnake are fun just hope I can find some pretty and none agressive ones

[Caylan]

Even aggressive ones are easily calmed down, and they can't hurt you at their age, which is why its easy to tame them down. Just pick them up regardless of getting bit and they'll stop wasting the energy. At the worst they take a year to grow up a bit before they calm down, but they all do eventually it seems. good luck!

[theapexgerman]

Yea they don't hurt even full grown my buddy has a corn he holds everyday and had since he was a hatchling and still mean and its a okeetee to lol only snake bite that really hurt was the sidewinder but other than that no bites hurt just hope they eat good tho

[Caylan]

I wouldn't say no bites hurt... but a corn snake cant do any damage really, at any age. But chewing can be painful for some. Personally I hate broken teeth getting infected, that's the worst part for me. But some snake bites can hurt far more then others, without being venomous... but nothing compared to that sidewinder you dealt with(nothing yet for me anyway...) But I've had a carpet python dislocate my finger, and severely damage the back of my hand, nicking veins and dragging her teeth back while she constricted.... then go for 45 minutes relentlessly while slowly breaking my finger without me even knowing it... I found out after she let go, turns out I lost enough blood to go into shock... lucky me... I love my job! My little punk carpet came right out of her cage and latched onto my nose one time and wrapped my face, that kinda hurt, especially the broken teeth....... Just glad it wasn't my eyes, they'd go right through my eye lids.... If she was an adult she could have blinded me easily. Snakes are not without there dangers.... but a dog can do so much worse so much easier..... I had a dog bite my arm and that actually had my in emergency, so I'll take the snake bites... I still have a scar from the dog bite, 2 big canine puncture wounds.... I received in my own stupidity of course... Sorry, rambling on... you're bite story encouraged me I think.

[theapexgerman]

I really never been around big snakes the bigist snake I got is my bull and he's almost pushing 5 foot and he's bit don't hurt but I could imagine a bite from retic or something like that and that would of been scary haveing a snake wrap around your face that's why I will never own anything over 6 foot or so maybe 7 foot but that's if its a nice snake

[Caylan]

I really never been around big snakes the bigist snake I got is my bull and he's almost pushing 5 foot and he's bit don't hurt but I could imagine a bite from retic or something like that and that would of been scary haveing a snake wrap around your face that's why I will never own anything over 6 foot or so maybe 7 foot but that's if its a nice snake

Lol of course the phone started ringing right afterwards.... Luckily she let go after about 2 minutes.

[theapexgerman]

One thing I hate bout the arizona around 4 am its get really cold for bout 2 hours and then get got again I've been in my car for 10 hours now just watching this guy 2 more hours till I call it a day lol

[Caylan]

Jeez what a life! I love the cold, an relish it in a hot place like here or over there. I love living near a desert actually. Have fun watching people...

[theapexgerman]

Easy job a wife want to make sure her husband isn't cheating he hasn't doesn't nothing cheating so far I'm almost out of vodka in my flask that's what been keeping warm can't start the car to run heating could go for some hot coffe

[Snakefood]

babies and adult corns of the same morphs look totally different, so my advice is to go here:

Corn Snake Morphs - The Definitive Guide - Ians Vivarium (http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/)

That way you and your gal can choose the morph you two like the most, instead of picking a pretty baby and expecting it to stay that way.

BTW......Palmetto corn

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Pic of course is compliments of Don Sodenburg.

[DragonsEye]

Personally, I'd either go for a bloodred or leutistic corn.

[Snakefood]

I think the lucy's are actually rat snakes, not corns.

[DragonsEye]

Could be right .. after a while all the morphs start to run together name-wise for me. ;)

[Snakefood]

I think the closest you can get to a lucy in a pure blooded corn is a whiteout blizzard, but they have pink eyes.

[exwizard]

My vote is for the bloodred!

I second this one

[DragonsEye]

I think the closest you can get to a lucy in a pure blooded corn is a whiteout blizzard, but they have pink eyes.

Those are usually rather pinkish as opposed to true white aren't they? Or is that only as babies?

[Snakefood]

Those are usually rather pinkish as opposed to true white aren't they? Or is that only as babies?

Only as babies. My blizzard is 8 mos and still has a slight pinkish tinge, but every shed he gets whiter and whiter, BUT... he has what looks like yellow coming in, so he'll be a lemon-peel blizzard like his mom. but the white-outs are pure white when grown, in the best examples, you can't even see the pattern.

The snows stay pink and white.

[theapexgerman]

I narrowed it down to bloodred, snow coral, albino okeetee, hypo bloodred, and a blizzard and Jessica is set on a regular or a albino okeetee

[Snakefood]

well sounds like you both agree on the albino (or reverse) Okeetee.

[theapexgerman]

Yea I saw some hypo bloodreds really cool looking but I still like the coral snow its very hard to decide

[Rogue628]

I narrowed it down to bloodred, snow coral, albino okeetee, hypo bloodred, and a blizzard and Jessica is set on a regular or a albino okeetee


Out of those, I vote for the snow coral. :)

The one I want is an Orchid Orchid Corn Snake - Ians Vivarium (http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/orchid/) To me they have one of the most drastic color changes I've seen so far and they're really pretty as hatchlings and adults (even though they look kinda pink...and I HATE pink!). Probably the most 'girlie' colored animal I've seen I actually like! lol

[theapexgerman]

Wow a pretty snake I don't like pink either but on a snake it looks cool but I doubt my breeder isn't going to have a orchid corn and coral snow is what I'm leaning towards but the hypo bloodred looks very neat

[theapexgerman]

babies and adult corns of the same morphs look totally different, so my advice is to go here:

Corn Snake Morphs - The Definitive Guide - Ians Vivarium (http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/)

That way you and your gal can choose the morph you two like the most, instead of picking a pretty baby and expecting it to stay that way.

BTW......Palmetto corn

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Pic of course is compliments of Don Sodenburg.
Yea I know babies look different than adults but this site really helpful tho

[Snakefood]

yup I love that site!! It helps me decide my breeding projects. I'm working towards some powerhouse het pairs that would produce snows, coral snows and Lavendar coral snows (stunning!!)

I'd also love to do Orchid's, but I'm looking for a non-gazer sunkissed, which is hard!!

[theapexgerman]

I still got a week or till I have to decide so imma takeing my time

[Caylan]

I totally forgot about the stargazer gene.... That sounds like loads of fun..............

[theapexgerman]

Now I'm thinking of a opal corn the adults looks neat so does the babies

[Caylan]

Corns shouldn't be purple and white.... they look best with red and black and orange!

[Snakefood]

Now I'm thinking of a opal corn the adults looks neat so does the babies

Didyou know there are "snopals" basically an opal snow.

[Snakefood]

I totally forgot about the stargazer gene.... That sounds like loads of fun..............

So far no-one here is testing thier sunkissed stock for stargazing, so I'll have to go state side. which means waiting for a better shipping season. So I have had to put my Orchid project on hold until I find that. But I am in the middle of creating a powerhouse bloodline that will not only create coral snows, lavendar coral snows and 30 other possibilities of morphs in the babies!

[theapexgerman]

Didyou know there are "snopals" basically an opal snow.
Yea but ithey look pretty hard to get and since I don't like buying from the internet I'm most likely never going to get one altho the weather is nice in arizona during the day time now tho

[theapexgerman]

Corns shouldn't be purple and white.... they look best with red and black and orange!
Do they have a morph of a corn that looks like a tangerine dream hondo milk?

[Caylan]

I don't know corn morphs... I know basic genetics and basic morphs, and figure out a good deal by looking at a snake, but I know Okeetee's lol. That's about it. I read about the stargazer gene as well, as that interested me. You'd have to look yourself for another Okeetee that isn't and called an Okeetee :D

[theapexgerman]

There's just so many corn morphs I want one of each really but way to many snakes

[Snakefood]

Do they have a morph of a corn that looks like a tangerine dream hondo milk?

Put up a pic of that snake and I'll tell ya what the closest corn to it is.

[theapexgerman]

Put up a pic of that snake and I'll tell ya what the closest corn to it is.
Ok the first pic is of a tangerine dream hondo milk the second pic is is of a albino
Of a tangerine dream its my dream snake but its pricy and xant find one near to me
http://s19.postimage.org/729yx86cf/Repticon_Honduran_Milk_Snake_by_BB_Reptiles.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/729yx86cf/)

http://s19.postimage.org/uunvmhxr3/hondurensis_albino.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/uunvmhxr3/)

[kernel]

Okeetee would probably be the closest. Since you keep bouncing back and forth between bloodred and coral snows, I would get one of the 2.

[theapexgerman]

Yea I can't help bouncing back and fourth now opal corn is in mine top 3 list here they are hypo bloodred
, coral snow, and a opal so its pretty tought choice

[kernel]

Opals tend to loose their pink as adults, but the pink on coral snows intensifies with age.

[theapexgerman]

yea but imma going to get one Jessica going to get a albino okeetee for sure so just leaves me with getting one I got like 5 spare cages/tubs 3 are set up mostly so who knows I may by a snow coral and a opal and maybe a hypo bloodred

[kernel]

That's a good idea!

[theapexgerman]

Yea but adding 4 more snakes to my collection just got to find some room I got 2 of my snakes in the living room and the rest in the spare bedroom and there's hardly no spare room in there so have to find some more places for them

[exwizard]

Yea but adding 4 more snakes to my collection just got to find some room I got 2 of my snakes in the living room and the rest in the spare bedroom and there's hardly no spare room in there so have to find some more places for them

Speaking from experience. Its always better to make sure you have the room before getting new snakes. :)

[theapexgerman]

yea it be a week or two before I get them so I got plenty of time I got all the cages and supplys just got to make room for them Jessica wanted a corn for awhile so for her birthday witch is in a week and a half or so going to las vegas to time to gamble away money I never win anyways but Jessica is lucky

[Snakefood]

your closest matches to those pics are Okeetee for the first and Reverse Okeetee for the second pic.

Corns are addictive!! But they are very easy to care for so that makes up for how many you end up with!!

[theapexgerman]

Yea corns are very easy as are milks and kings my first snake was my albino nelson and he's a chapm so I won't have problem with takeing care of them just got to find room in my house I'm thinking of turning my work out room into a snake room there's enough room to hold all of mine pluse a lot more

[Snakefood]

Sounds like a good idea, I would love to have an extra room for my snakes, I keep them in my bedroom!!

[theapexgerman]

I would keep them in mine and Jessica room but we keep it so cold in there its just not to safe for the snakes so we got them in the spare room at the moment its normal tempature and plus they don't get to many vistors you should see the room when people walk in there they freak up I keep two snakes in the living room

[Caylan]

What I tell yuh... now forget about the reverse okeetee and get a normal one!!! 3 of us have said it now lol, 2 with actual corn snake experience even haha!(not me of course ;))
Can keep cornsnakes pretty much anywhere I find... they don't even really need an outlet if your house is warm... which it should be with snakes all over lol. I also manage to keep 14 in my room, with only one 3 bin rack no less lol. Can't see anything with out snakes being in view though lol. Maybe if you stood in the corner and stared at the wall.... Plus its hotter then hell in there, 80 degree's all the time... how I sleep is beyond me(I even sleep during the day haha) But the snakes love it!(gecko not so fond...)

[theapexgerman]

Yea one of the many things good bout corns they are hardy snakes in my snake room I control the temps in the room I normaly keep it 78-84 degress and they seemed to love it but I'm moving all of my snakes into the work out room I already put some of my equipment in the garage so there should be plenty of room for my snakes now and I'm really going for a opal or a avalanche or a coral snow so my choices are hard to pick between them

[Snakefood]

I vote the coral snow myself!!

[theapexgerman]

Yea but the opal looks so pretty and the avalanche looks cool when there full grown and the coral snow looks cool all around so idk and a bloodred just pure red when they get older so I don't know

[Snakefood]

You know, the opals DO look cool, there ARE coral snopals (kind of a cross between an opal and a coral snow) but they are very rare. And until my powerhouse het pair are grown, I have no clue where to get them. (my powerhouse line I am working on will have a 2% chance of producing coral snowpals)

[theapexgerman]

2 percent isn't a lot lol but I still got a week or so to decide I think I may get one of eachand that will solve my delema

[Snakefood]

no 2% is not alot, but out of as many clutches of eggs they would produce in thier breeding life-span, I would be bound to get a couple, which of course I would keep a breeding pair from if I did.

[theapexgerman]

But it would take a few years even if you get a breeding pair to breed them

[Snakefood]

yes it will. I am willing to put the time in to get what I want. You can't find some of these anywhere (at least here in Canada) and because I am aquaintances with all the LOCAL BC breeders, I know what thier projects are and know they are not doing anything like what I am. So I will have unique corns once I do get it. And you have to remember that out of that "powerhouse" pair, I will get a large % of snows, coral snows, pearls, avalanche, ect.... there are 32 possible morphs to come out of the pairing, even the normals will be stripes!! I`ll also get every type of Lavendar you can think of, amels, aneries (all stripe) and then small %`s of things like coral snowpals, coral snow lavendars, snopal stripes, Hypo Opal stripe and Ghost lavendar stripes.

[theapexgerman]

Wow so you got a lot morphs to look forward to

[kernel]

Wow, I'm jealous lol!

[theapexgerman]

Not to mention make some good cash

[Snakefood]

ya it`s amazing what you can figure out for pairings on the corn calculator. At first I simply wanted to come up with Orchids and coral snows, that was the plan. But as I played with the corn calc I found that if I got a Hypo-Lavendar Stripe male instead of just a a Hypo-male, and got a stripe snow for my second female (first is a normal snow female) then all of a sudden I went from 5 morph possibilities to 32!! It`s crazy!!!

The really rare snakes, I will keep a breeding pair from the powerhouse pair. The higher % ones I will just keep breeding the original powerhouse pair for those ones. That way I don`t have to have a 2 adult snakes for every morph I breed.

[theapexgerman]

Breeding would be nice I just don't got time to do it

[Snakefood]

well I am the stay at home mom of a pre-school aged, special needs son. So work is not in my immediate future, at least not until I KNOW he is settled into the school system next year, without my being called in to calm him or take him home. THEN, I`ll go back to work, if he doesn`t settle into the school system, I will have to stay at home and `home school`him.

[kernel]

I have a pair that I will breed this year and their babies will let me produce citrine stripes, coral snow stripes, xanthic snow stripes, anery caramel hypo stripes and several other things. I have a 9.375% chance of producing the first 2 and a 3.125% for the last 2 and that's only if I hit the caramel gene (there's only a 50% chance that they will het for it)

[theapexgerman]

Ill strick with buying snakes for now from breeders since I got spare money atleast for now my clients are droping and no one needs a PI trhese days lol

[theapexgerman]

Ok so update one of my dads buddy is moveing and he has a 6 year old corn and I'm getting him on Friday here's a pic of him its the camera from my phone but any one know what kind of morph it is.
http://s19.postimage.org/7xso7gbvj/5_L25_Ke5_F83kb3_Ka3_Ifc316de5b663491c121a.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/7xso7gbvj/)

[Snakefood]

he gorgeous!! looks almost exatly like my female, except maybe a little more yellow than mine!!

NICE!!

[theapexgerman]

Yea I know you know what kind of morph he is kinda looks like a opal

[Snakefood]

well you'll have to get some better pics, but right now looks like a really nice snow you have there!!

[theapexgerman]

Yea that what I was thinking when I get him tommrow ill take more pics but he kinda does look like a snow but I didn't think they had that much yellow on them

[Snakefood]

Oh yeah!! along thier jaws and necks it is very common. Thier spots can take on a pinkish, yellowish or greenish hue.

[theapexgerman]

Oh wow didn't know that he's going on 7 years old my dad buddy had him since he was a hatchling he's says he's very tame

[Snakefood]

7 is still young!! my 5 yr old male is 4.5' and 600 and somthing grams. He eats xl jumbo mice or rat hopper or sm weanling. he likes the occasional rabbit pinkie too!!

[theapexgerman]

I think my dad buddy is feeding him 1 jumbo mouse every 12 or 13 days he's eating f/t witch I don't like cause I can't keep frozen rodents in my frezzer hope freshly kill would work

[Snakefood]

dead and warm is dead and warm, I wouldn't worry too much. I have had to switch 2 live feeders to F/T and did not have any problems at all. Corns are not picky eaters. Mine eat fresh killed or F/T mice, rats and rabbit pinks.

[theapexgerman]

Yea what I was thinking can't wait to get a new addtion to my collection

[Snakefood]

that's always an exciting time!!

[theapexgerman]

Yup and I just made my work out room a snake room got a lot of fitness stuff imma going to sale at my yard sale

[theapexgerman]

Ok so update I'm not getting that corn he decided that his going to give it to his wife to keep so I'm bumed out so here I am back at my orignal plan so no snake for me till next week some time

[Snakefood]

awww that's too bad!!

Oh well, you weren't really talking a snow anyways, and I am almost positive that's what he is!!

[theapexgerman]

Yea but he was free lol and pretty but oh well atleast ill get one in a week or so

[theapexgerman]

Ok so in the morning imma going to get my new corn can anybody guess his morph kinda hard to tell but he's. My new pet as of tommrow his a few pics
http://s19.postimage.org/jlt78ryn3/IMG069.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/jlt78ryn3/)

http://s19.postimage.org/cl57fzwv3/IMG070.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/cl57fzwv3/)

[GarterPython]

I'm soooo happy for you German Teddy Bear! LOL

[theapexgerman]

My girlfriend Jessica getting hers in the morning its a albino okeetee both are so young like a few months but so cute

[GarterPython]

Thats great! I might be getting one soon to! (May 5-6) YAYAYAYYAYAYAYAYAYA!

[theapexgerman]

Wow nice you got a morph that you want yet

[GarterPython]

I am not totally sure if I can get one yet because I am still trying to convince my parents. Its going really well thought! If I get one it will probably either a Moltley, Butter or a Okeetee.

[theapexgerman]

Parents are fun arnt they lol have you seen a coral snow corn or a blizzard corn I wanted to get one of them but I don't like ordering from online but my breeder guy got quite of bit of corns in so I was lucky to get my 2nd pick

[GarterPython]

Yea I definitly would ike those too. I am going to the reptile show in may and if by then I can get a snake I will just by the corn snake that I like the best there.

[theapexgerman]

Your lucky there's hardly no reptile shows here next one is in october so arizona sucks

[GarterPython]

There are only 3 around here! All year!

[Snakefood]

looks like that could be an Opal.

here's a pic of an Opal hatchling

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photo courtesy of Ian's Vivarium

[theapexgerman]

yea that's what I was thinking of or a albino Amelanistic morph but reason why I got it look like a opal and that's one of the ones I wanted

[theapexgerman]

There are only 3 around here! All year!
More than here there's like 1 or 2 a year and there like 4 hour drive from me

[GarterPython]

That is pretty bad! I only have 3 but at least they are close. I live in Beaumont, Alberta which is about 15 minutes from Edmonton, Alberta. Two of the three shows are in Edmonton and the other one is the Western Canadien Show which was held in Red Deer last year.(Red Deer is about 3 hours away)

[theapexgerman]

And not to mention bother vehicles I have burn a ton of gas and gas is almost 5 a gallon here so I'm stuck with haveing my breeder looking for stuff for me but at the reptile show you go to you will find the corn you want

[GarterPython]

Oh I know it! LOL :) I might even have to hit my parents on the spot but I am sure they will give in! ;) Muahhahahahahahah. I am thinking I am probably going to get a Moltley Golddust but you never know. I will probably find another morph that I was not planning on getting. I sure I will "fall in love" with one. I was also thinking about a Bloodred or whatever they are called.

[theapexgerman]

Yea I wanted a bloodred there so cool when there full grown you can go to this website snakefood gave me a link to this site its really helpful here it is Corn Snake Morphs - The Definitive Guide - Ians Vivarium (http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/?) Its really cool

[kernel]

Nice opal, theapexgerman! GarterPython, make sure to post plenty of pics when you get one, I'm crazy about corns!

[theapexgerman]

I will so you think that one in the pic is a opal it looks like another morph to me

[kernel]

It could be a regular amel, but unless it's in shed, it's too pink. I'm going with opal right now.

[theapexgerman]

That's what I thought why I put money down on him but he's not in shed and like 1 or 2 months old he's so tiny

[kernel]

If he's not in shed, then he's a opal.

[theapexgerman]

Sweet I wanted a opal lol and not bad price like 25 bucks but he's so tiny tho like a little worm

[kernel]

Yep, I'm 99% sure! Glad you got what you wanted and that's a KILLER DEAL!

[theapexgerman]

Yea way cheaper than online lol but I never dealt with this guy tho before so I don't know he says its feeding but I just don't trust him 100 percent tho

[kernel]

It's probably feeding. There aren't a whole lot of problem feeder corns, but there's always the chance.

[theapexgerman]

Yea I never seen a corn that wouldn't eat but way my luck been going id get the non eating one past few days been bad luck for me

[kernel]

It's been that way for me almost the entire year.

[theapexgerman]

Well in another few hours I get my new pet

[Snakefood]

don't worry, most baby corns are voracious eaters.

That is almost definately an Opal, albino okeetee babies look NOTHING like that and amels, even in shed are way darker as babies. The ONLY morph I could find with that shading/color is the Opal.

[theapexgerman]

yea why I want it lol but when I got home I started looking at pics and this looks like a mix kinda

[Snakefood]

what do you mean a mix?? like not pure corn??

I looked at the snowpal hatchling, but it was more purple than the peachy pink of the pic you posted.

[theapexgerman]

yea not a pure corn but once I get him in a few hours ill post lot more pics but he looks like a opal but he also looks like others a bit maybe it just me tho

[Snakefood]

hard to tell at that age, however the most popular crosses between corn and rat snake are creamsicle and rootbeer morphs and that baby doesn't look like either of those

[theapexgerman]

Yea it doeasnt look like any of the two but at a this snake like one or two months old so until he gets older going to be hard to tell all I know h is pretty so I'm happy

[Snakefood]

where is he coming from, if it's an actual breeder, they should know morph, hets, Possible hets and feeding schedule.

if you don't have that info, it's a guessing game even when the baby is an adult. The only sure way would be to breed to find which genes it is comprised of (i know you dont want to breed, but that's the only way to be sure when the morph is unknown.)

[theapexgerman]

Well my breeder he's buy from other private people but he said they guy wasn't to for sure on the morphs for the corns he has others one for sale but I like this one but Jessica is getting a albino okeetee from him to but I didn't get no pics of that but later today ill post her cornsnake pics up

[Snakefood]

can't wait!!

This one is pretty! I like it too, and I am about as positive as I can be that it is an opal but we'll just keep track of her every second shed or so to see if she keeps with the opal's coloration. Though I can't imagine it being anything else.

don't expect the white to come in right away, my guy is 9 mos old now and is just starting to turn whiter with each shed.

[theapexgerman]

Yea it be a full 2 years till it turns mostly white I'm guessing but its so pretty can't wait I'm getting a male Jessica getting a female so later on we could breed them and see what comes out

[Snakefood]

well you would get 100% Amels, het for lavendar. if you were to keep a female and breed back to your opal, you would then get 50% Amels (het lavendar) and 50% Opals

[theapexgerman]

Not to bad I'm plan on getting a few more corns later on to but I am going to breed either dums or corns one of the two in a few years I'm just waiting for a good female dum to pop up lol

[Snakefood]

I know, it sucks your so far away, my buddies breeding pair that he is practically giving away are stunning little guys. (well not little, but you know what I mean)

[theapexgerman]

Damm wish I live in canada lol

[Snakefood]

depends on your tolerance to cold, even in the warmest parts of Canada (in the winter I mean) can get pretty cold here, we love it, but we were born to it. We have about 6" fresh snow right now (came last night) my husky is out rolling in it now!!

But, ya. Living in Canada is pretty cool!

[theapexgerman]

I don't mind the cold I grew up in germany so won't bother me atleast ill get better health care over in canada

[Snakefood]

well you'll pay less, better?? I'm not so sure!! I've been waiting 3 weeks (and another 3 to go) for a test just to determine what medicine to put me on to control my symptoms.

I have been waiting 2 weeks (and another 3 to go) for a specialist appointment when my condition could be cancerous. So we have a cheap to the public medical care system, but due to the # of resources and dr's/nurses, it's not a fast system

[theapexgerman]

I pay a lot here and Damm that sucks 200 bucks a month and I got ok health insuraence but 3 weeks is a long time to be waiting and for something pretty important to

[Snakefood]

Well we pay about that for our family of three, then a little extra for extended health coverage through hubby's work. basic medical out here only covers the absolute basics, you know "don't fix the tooth, pull it" sort of thing. So even here in Canada, having extended health coverage is a really good thing to have.

And yes the wait sucks, (it's actually a total of 5 and 6 weeks perspectively, just 3 more to go) But it's less that it could be cancerous (yes that is worrisome, but my dr has assured me that tests show if it is cancer, it is early stage 1 and easily treated and the battle won 99% of the time.)

What is really frusterating is that I have to sit here dealing with multiple, uncomfortable and sometimes dibiltating symptoms until they "decide" how to treat my condition.

I am ususally an active person, very rarely sitting around for any length of a time. Since this all started when the symptoms started in early september, the couch and computer has become my best friend. It's driving me up the wall to never have the energy for what I want or should do. I can't wait till this is all over!!

[theapexgerman]

Yea when I tore my acl in foot ball in highschool I was on the couch for over a year and it did suck watch what ya ear tho lol I gain like 40 pounds that year

[Snakefood]

that wouldn't be too bad!! my problem is hyper-thyriodism, coupled with growths on my thyroid. So basically my whole system is in hyper-drive 24/7.

I have to eat a high fat, high protien diet (while keeping iodine levels low) just to stay at a whopping 105lbs

[theapexgerman]

Damm its so easy for me to gain weight lol I can eat so little and gain like 5 pounds I'm at 6 foot and weigh 225 but in high school I weigh 250 but it was all muscle now I got fat lol

[Snakefood]

My brother is like that, he is 6'5", and as an older teen and young adult he was about 225 and could stop a train by holding out his hand (super-man style!!) now, he's got a beer gut!! I told him that stuff would be the ruin of him!

[theapexgerman]

Same here well I don't got a big gut but do have a small one tho 225 is kinda a little to skiny tho for a 6'5" guy my dad nearly 6'10" and he weigh like 280 in high school and now has a huge beer got lol I mean huge

[Snakefood]

he was lanky but strong, he didn't fully fill out till he was in his mid-late 20's, now at almost 40, he's got a gut, I wouldn't say huge but definately noticable!! My dad was only 5'11" and he was 350lbs when he died, and it was ALL gut!! his lgs, arms and chest were all muscle, then this HUGE gut!! He was a drinker too

[theapexgerman]

yea my dad a drinker to lol he loves it but I'm the short one lol even my mother is taller than me she's almost 6'2"

[Snakefood]

at 5'4", I'm the short one in my family too. I blame my mom, she smoked during pregnancy with me, but not my brother. She answers back with, "do you really want to be a 6'5" woman??

[theapexgerman]

I would love to be 6'5" but my grandmother on my mother side is like 5'6" no one knows how my mother got that tall

[Snakefood]

ressessive genes, they pop out here and there.

we don't know about dad's bio-parents except that they were scandinavian, don't even know if we're talking Norwegian or Swedish or Danish, but we're trying to find out. But with viking background, that height could come from there.

But my cousin is also a skinny 6'3", so it could come somewhere back in mom's line too.

[theapexgerman]

Why couldn't I get the 6'5" gene lol

[Snakefood]

doesn't matter if you got the 6'5" gene, as long as you got the "big teddybear" gene, that's the good one!!

[theapexgerman]

Yea the teddy bear gene better is the best I'm good to lay on or atleast what I've been told

[Snakefood]

it's a good gene to have when you become a dad. my hubby is great, but lacks the teddy bear gene, he and our son butt heads alot!!

[theapexgerman]

When I was younger I pick a fight with my dad its got pretty bad he had a broken nose I had a few broken fingers than my mother comes in and mad at both of us lol

[Snakefood]

I get more angry at my husband than my son. after all, who's the parent and who's the child here?? It's like having 2 sons REALLY far apart in age!!

[theapexgerman]

We were both drunk so we didn't feel nothing till next day we don't even rember why we got into a fight that's the bad part

[Snakefood]

ahh I see, my son turns 5 in May, so we're still aways away from that particular scenario!!

and you got into a fight because you were both drunk and probably both a little ignorant about it!!

[theapexgerman]

We were both hurting I was like 16 or something and I wanna know how I broke his nose I couldn't even reach it lol

[Snakefood]

meh...... men, what can you say???

[theapexgerman]

Lol yup I think my dad was in more pain than me lol

[Snakefood]

probably mentally too. As a parent, I couldn't imagine the mental impact of fisting up and punching my own child, no matter how old or arrogant he may get.

[theapexgerman]

Na not my dad we had no hard feelings towards each other I think it was just physical pain and haven a hang over lol

[GarterPython]

Have you got him yet! And thanks for that link German Teddy Bear it's awesome!
(I know that's not actually your name but it is easier for me to remember)

[theapexgerman]

Yea I just got him I'm uploading pics atm

[GarterPython]

KK awesome!

[theapexgerman]

Ok here he/she is for some reason my cell phone camera isn't working all that well but here they are
http://s19.postimage.org/ijevvv7dr/IMG084.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/ijevvv7dr/)

http://s19.postimage.org/z8gbrs3z3/IMG087.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/z8gbrs3z3/)

http://s19.postimage.org/91f4vtlpb/IMG085.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/91f4vtlpb/)

http://s19.postimage.org/zb07em7mn/IMG080.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/zb07em7mn/)

http://s19.postimage.org/aj0l7dqfz/IMG077.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/aj0l7dqfz/)

http://s19.postimage.org/p3ho27len/IMG081.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/p3ho27len/)

[GarterPython]

He/She is a beautie! Time to change your signature!

[theapexgerman]

Yea lol my signature full already so I got to find a way to shorten it some

[GarterPython]

Take away the dog and the girl friend part since they aren't herps.

[theapexgerman]

yea I was thinking of that but that's the last choice I want to do

[Snakefood]

he's a beaut!! Great purchase!! Any pics of the reverse Okeetee too??

[theapexgerman]

Yea were going to get him a later tonight so ill post pic then and now I'm for sure He's a opal

[exwizard]

Ahh nice. You cant go wrong with a Corn.

[theapexgerman]

Yea and not bad price either

[exwizard]

I bet. Corns are cool like that. :)

[theapexgerman]

yea I'm just waitng for a good female dum to pop up so till then corn time

[theapexgerman]

Ok peoples I was taking a more deeper look does any one know what this is
http://s19.postimage.org/eup6wdxcv/IMG091.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/eup6wdxcv/)

http://s19.postimage.org/vwmmc81lr/IMG092.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/vwmmc81lr/)
See that black spot there I got no clue what that is it kinda looks like a bruse

[Snakefood]

if it doesn't move but goes away, it's a bruise. if it moves down towards the tail, it's poop. if it stays where it is and as it is, it's one of his organs

[theapexgerman]

Thanks well soon will see how would a corn get a bruise some one holding him to rough

[Snakefood]

was he shipped to you or did you pick him up yourself?? rough handling during shipping could cause a bruise I suppose.

[theapexgerman]

I pick him up at some local corn guy I look him over fairly good before I got him but he's wouldn't stay still so when I got him back home I did a more closer look and seen this black thing so that's when I posted a thread and also I got bite by a corn to yesterday first time I've seen a full grown corn bite lol it was kind of funny

[Snakefood]

my smaller amel male bites me all the time, he an *******!!

[theapexgerman]

Wow I never would of belive a corn bitting someone till yesterday when I got bite lol this on was the devile

[Snakefood]

Nope Helios is just an arse!! I can't even put water into his viv without coming out a little bloody and worse for wear, but hubby can handle him, so maybe he just hates me!!

Poeple would say it's my energy affecting him, but I handle all 5 of my other snakes, 3 of which have bitten me before without any problems, so I don't think that's it.

[theapexgerman]

Out of all my snakes my bull snake is a killer 4 foot 2 or 3 year old bull he hates every one lol its funny I get tagged any time I stick my hand in there