Mysterious Missing Feces...

[cute_snakeyface]

Hayter. o.o Just what in the heck is going on?! You ate two mice in December and one mouse in January. WHERE is your poop!?

Where is your poop, little girl? You pooped just the tiniest bit of the white stuff in your old tank before we switched, but where is the rest? You had a fat tail the other day, indicating to me that you seemed to be getting ready to poop...but where is your poop? WHERE IS YOUR POOP?

I'm confused...she's either in the tank, or with one of us. We can't let her roam anywhere because of kitty so, it's incredibly unlikely that there is snake poop hiding somewhere in my house or anything like that.

I even combed through all of the substrate where she had been burrowing and everything. Forgive me for saying but, THIS IS CONFUSING AS ****! :D

I know sometimes animals consume their own waste products...but snakes? Never heard of that...

[Skumbo]

is her tail still "big"? i hope she isnt compacted in any way, do you feed on substrate?

you may have just missed it if she pooped and you have dark substrate or something.
The white stuff is urine, actually. They do not have a bladder, so do not pass liquid waste in the form of urine the way mammals do, instead, uric acid is excreted as a semi-solid white mass, which quickly hardens and becomes that chalky white stuff.

[Lankyrob]

My BP regularly goes a couple of months without pooping but the urates is more regular - if you have had no urates for a couple of months i would be fairly concerned

[cute_snakeyface]

She doesn't look like she has anything in her, its weird. I may try the warm bath thing soon. She seems to be fine though, she's been doing loops around my neck most of the morning. She has a whistley nose right now, but she only gets that when she's been burrowing [dusty nose?], which she has. She isn't showing any other symptoms of respiratory distress or illness.

We only fed on substrate a couple times, in the beginning, with store-bought recycled newspaper stuff. We learned about aspen very quickly and have been using it ever since.

I cleaned up after the last 'urate' in Jan. Through most of Jan, she was a complete slow-mo. I thought maybe she was in some kind of semi-hibernation state. She ate a nice mouse 01/21, went to bed, and stayed there. Closer to/or the beginning of Feb is when we switched tanks. She only explored a little bit before going back to bed.

During this month, she was keeping herself colder than usual, it seemed. I made sure the tank got slightly warmer than usual once and she went to the cool side and made herself pretty cold against the glass and water dish. She was also burrowing herself a little bit more than usual.

I'm not too worried right now. She's really not acting very unusual, but I don't even think she's a year old yet. She was soooo tiny and adorable when we got her, alwu4htlkawmng,amsngafgman.fmhn. ...but the poop is evasive.

[cute_snakeyface]

She's really one of those lazy snakes that doesn't spend a lot of time roaming around the tank unless she wants something to eat. She's incredibly docile to the point where she seems to actually like Jessi and I. She likes to go face-to-face with us and flick or rub on us...little snakey kisses and lovin.' <3

[mattchibi]

Is she a hatchling?

If she's only eaten three times, I wouldnt be too concerned about the poop. I would however be concerned with why she isnt eating, and maybe try to figure out if there is a problem with the husbandry. If she was eating every week since December and still hasnt pooped, then I might be worried. Sometimes those little guys just like to hold it in to make us pull our hair out!

[cute_snakeyface]

Is she a hatchling?

If she's only eaten three times, I wouldnt be too concerned about the poop. I would however be concerned with why she isnt eating, and maybe try to figure out if there is a problem with the husbandry. If she was eating every week since December and still hasnt pooped, then I might be worried. Sometimes those little guys just like to hold it in to make us pull our hair out!

Nonono, she's eaten three times since Dec. I've had her since Summer, she's eaten several times. Three times, as in: two mice in Dec [in one feed], one [the healthy mouse] in Jan.

[cute_snakeyface]

Aww, heheh, she fell asleep on me now. Time to put this snakey to bed.

[cute_snakeyface]

Watching her slither into the hide, she does still kinda look like she has food in her. Perhaps she simply still hasn't gone yet? I dunno, but the last couple nights, she's been wandering around her tank, like she does when she's hungry...

[Skumbo]

why are you only feeding once a month? or am i reading that wrong

[Lankyrob]

IF its a hatchling i am guessing that you are feeding pinks or pups with little to no hair?? If so then the snake wont poop often at all - its when they get onto rats with fur that the poos get bigger and more often.

[cute_snakeyface]

Heh heh, she did eat another time in Dec. but I found the poop for those.

[cute_snakeyface]

IF its a hatchling i am guessing that you are feeding pinks or pups with little to no hair?? If so then the snake wont poop often at all - its when they get onto rats with fur that the poos get bigger and more often.
Sorry, I didn't address the entirety of your message. She's not a hatchling, she's about barely < or = one year old.

[cute_snakeyface]

"about barely" O.o what horrendous English, huh?

She usually eats about twice a month. It's variable, I guess. She poops, gets hungry, I feed her. As she's grown, I've observed her habits closely, but I wish I had been documenting. These days, four or five mice a month keeps her happy and not fat.

[Kiljosh]

IF its a hatchling i am guessing that you are feeding pinks or pups with little to no hair?? If so then the snake wont poop often at all - its when they get onto rats with fur that the poos get bigger and more often.


I never thought about this, good point/theory.

Lol hair.

[millertime89]

She's about a year old and you're only feeding mice? A yearling should be on small rats which are bigger than any adult mouse. She should also probably be eating more than 1-3 times a month. She's still growing and should probably eat once a week. Do you know what she weighs?

[Skumbo]

"about barely" O.o what horrendous English, huh?

She usually eats about twice a month. It's variable, I guess. She poops, gets hungry, I feed her. As she's grown, I've observed her habits closely, but I wish I had been documenting. These days, four or five mice a month keeps her happy and not fat.

Ok im very confused as to your feeding habits.

They seem very off to me.

for one, twice a month isnt a good idea, she should be eating more, once a week I believe is the normal rate. She should be eating prey at 1-1.5 (i like feeding a "little bit" thicker) than the thickest part of her body.

[mattchibi]

Ok im very confused as to your feeding habits.

They seem very off to me.

for one, twice a month isnt a good idea, she should be eating more, once a week I believe is the normal rate. She should be eating prey at 1-1.5 (i like feeding a "little bit" thicker) than the thickest part of her body.

To be more accurate, its actually best to measure the prey out to be 10-15 % of your ball python's weight. And you can buy a digital food scale for $30 at any department store.

[Lankyrob]

I feed my BP twice a month or so (i have a staggered feeding "pattern") and he takes rats that are roughly 2 times his widest girth quite easily - he could possibly take something bigger but i wouldnt personally push over twice his girth.

[Skumbo]

To be more accurate, its actually best to measure the prey out to be 10-15 % of your ball python's weight. And you can buy a digital food scale for $30 at any department store.

^ That too, but it usually comes out to about the same I believe. 600g is a gigantic rat if you have say an older 4000g ball

[Aaron_S]

I feed my BP twice a month or so (i have a staggered feeding "pattern") and he takes rats that are roughly 2 times his widest girth quite easily - he could possibly take something bigger but i wouldnt personally push over twice his girth.

The more known rule of thumb and general safe bet for any snake is the widest part of the snake. I recommend this to all new snake owners instead of by weight or even over the widest part. Purely for the simplicity of it. They don't have to worry about weighing the snake or prey and just feeding it and getting used to it.

Also Rob, I think your snake is an exception and not the rule ;) Must be a "burm" of a ball lol

[Lankyrob]

The more known rule of thumb and general safe bet for any snake is the widest part of the snake. I recommend this to all new snake owners instead of by weight or even over the widest part. Purely for the simplicity of it. They don't have to worry about weighing the snake or prey and just feeding it and getting used to it.

Also Rob, I think your snake is an exception and not the rule ;) Must be a "burm" of a ball lol


He is still growing (about 18months old) - when he is full grown then i sont be expecting to find rats twice his size! I currently only have one adult snake (a corn) and he gets fed on the same schedule but gets an xl mouse that is slightly bigger round than he is.

[cute_snakeyface]

My feeding schedule completely revolves around my snake. I don't have her on a schedule per-say, I simply feed her when she gets hungry.

Seems pretty easy to tell when she's hungry, she becomes more active in her tank. We handle her regularly, and when she's not hungry, she goes all over the place. When she's hungry, she's just wants to slither downdowndown. I presume she wants to go down to look for mouse holes in my carpet...

I fed her a mouse last night. I couldn't afford a second one though :\ hard times. She's still a little hungry, but she's all snuggled up in her hide right now.

[mykee]

3 mice in two months for a yearling ball is barely a diet that will keep them alive. because she's being fed so rarely, you're not gonna see poop. She's using EVERYTHING to stay alive.
"Rough times" or not, you should be feeding her an appropriately sized rat once a week.

[shaunyboy]

3 mice in two months for a yearling ball is barely a diet that will keep them alive. because she's being fed so rarely, you're not gonna see poop. She's using EVERYTHING to stay alive.
"Rough times" or not, you should be feeding her an appropriately sized rat once a week.

^^^^^
agree with mykee

imo your only giving enough food to stay alive

you need to start feeding every 7 to 10 days

or better still every 7 days until your snake gets up to its proper wieght

you don't need to wait for a snake to poo before feeding it

cheers shaun

[KORBIN5895]

"about barely" O.o what horrendous English, huh?

She usually eats about twice a month. It's variable, I guess. She poops, gets hungry, I feed her. As she's grown, I've observed her habits closely, but I wish I had been documenting. These days, four or five mice a month keeps her happy and not fat.

Nonono, she's eaten three times since Dec. I've had her since Summer, she's eaten several times. Three times, as in: two mice in Dec [in one feed], one [the healthy mouse] in Jan.

Heh heh, she did eat another time in Dec. but I found the poop for those.

Seems like she is being two mice per feed twice a month.

[Skumbo]

My feeding schedule completely revolves around my snake. I don't have her on a schedule per-say, I simply feed her when she gets hungry.

Seems pretty easy to tell when she's hungry, she becomes more active in her tank. We handle her regularly, and when she's not hungry, she goes all over the place. When she's hungry, she's just wants to slither downdowndown. I presume she wants to go down to look for mouse holes in my carpet...

I fed her a mouse last night. I couldn't afford a second one though :\ hard times. She's still a little hungry, but she's all snuggled up in her hide right now.

$2 or so for a mouse is hardly "i cant afford one"

ride a bike to work, eat a little cheaper, etc etc.

sorry to seem like a ****, but you're making the poor thing suffer because you cant justify a $2 a week investment.

[KORBIN5895]

Still seems like we are jumping to conclusions.

[Skumbo]

Still seems like we are jumping to conclusions.

what conclusions?

also to the OP, your snake wont "look around" for food, snakes are opportunistic feeders, they hide and wait for food to pass by then eat whenever they can, this is why they can live so long without food... this is also the same reason overfeeding is bad as well, snakes will eat whenever they can (usually). BUT... you need to feed her at least a big meal every 2 weeks if not a good sized meal once a week, for her to be healthy.

[cute_snakeyface]

your snake wont "look around" for food, snakes are opportunistic feeders,

Actually...it says everywhere that Balls DO go looking for food.

KORBIN, you are the only person who is paying attention. Yes, my snake normally eats TWO mice per feed, at least twice a month. She rejects a third until a few more days go by. She eats plenty.

If her eating and pooping were so infrequent, don't you think I would be asking about that and not ONE case of missing poop?

The smallest rats at my pet store are still too big for her to eat yet. The difference between small and medium rats is practically nonexistent. Also, thanks for the "$2, or so" lowball estimate. It's actually closer to $3.50.

My snake is NOT suffering. Before trying to help someone, might I suggest that you help YOURSELF to some more careful reading and critical thought.

Thank you.

[KORBIN5895]

No worries people don't always read all of the posts nor do they always put two and two together. Now I will say this though. Mykee comes across pretty blunt because he is pretty blunt but he knows royals hands down. He can give you some great advice but it tends to be abrasive.

[Skumbo]

Out of curiosity where did you get this info? All of my snakes tend to start moving around and exploring a whole lot more close to feeding day. They also get extremely active when they smell the rats defrosting and start searching the cage.

@op
No worries people don't always read all of the posts nor do they always put two and two together. Now I will say this though. Mykee comes across pretty blunt because he is pretty blunt but he knows royals hands down. He can give you some great advice but it tends to be abrasive.

Sorry had a crazy day, lol. let me rephrase that.. not sure how to word it..

Snakes don't start hunting WHEN they become hungry, they start hunting when they realize they're going to starve if they don't find food soon. Ideally a snake will be an opportunistic hunter in that is minimizes its travel (thus conserving energy) and find a good place to hide and eat. Now, if you dont feed a snake for a while (or they become "trained" to know when youre going to feed them...) they may behave differently when feeding time comes around, yes. But in general, unless a snake is a lot more than "oh hey im hungry now" in the sense the OP was thinking of (i believe) then they wont go searching for food.

hope that makes sense, i was basically saying "your snake is probably searching because you aren't feeding it enough, they don't normally do that unless..
A. they're used to a specific feeding schedule or smell you thawing food and want to find where the smell is coming from
or
B. you aren't feeding it enough.

[KORBIN5895]

Kk I understand that. Makes much more sense

[SpOoKy]

Snakes don't start hunting WHEN they become hungry, they start hunting when they realize they're going to starve if they don't find food soon. Ideally a snake will be an opportunistic hunter in that is minimizes its travel (thus conserving energy) and find a good place to hide and eat. Now, if you dont feed a snake for a while (or they become "trained" to know when youre going to feed them...) they may behave differently when feeding time comes around, yes. But in general, unless a snake is a lot more than "oh hey im hungry now" in the sense the OP was thinking of (i believe) then they wont go searching for food.

hope that makes sense, i was basically saying "your snake is probably searching because you aren't feeding it enough, they don't normally do that unless..
A. they're used to a specific feeding schedule or smell you thawing food and want to find where the smell is coming from
or
B. you aren't feeding it enough.

That was well put.

[Skumbo]

Kk I understand that. Makes much more sense

That was well put.

thanks, lol.. Sorry for not being clear, I've been doing work since 5:30 am (woke up at 5 and stood in the shower with my face against the wall for 30 minutes first lol..) and its nearly midnight now. Stupid midterms!!

[millertime89]

My apologies, I missed where you said you feed 2 mice per feed. If that is the case as you said it is, maybe you just have a clean snake and you should throw a party.

[Lankyrob]

In my experience snakes in captivity can learn the feeding routine and will start looking for food around feed day. Because of this we have changed our set routine to a more random one, our SD retic started looking for food 2-3 days BEFORE feeding day before we changed the routine and you dont want a retic in feed mode for that long! :)

[mattchibi]

If her eating and pooping were so infrequent, don't you think I would be asking about that and not ONE case of missing poop? .

The smallest rats at my pet store are still too big for her to eat yet. The difference between small and medium rats is practically nonexistent. Also, thanks for the "$2, or so" lowball estimate. It's actually closer to $3.50.

My snake is NOT suffering. Before trying to help someone, might I suggest that you help YOURSELF to some more careful reading and critical thought.


First of all, I dont see how any of us who are helping you are trolls... $3.50 is quite a small difference from $2.00. Yet again, if you cant afford proper meals for your snake, find a way to do so, or find someone who can. And may I also say this: Pet stores are not the only place to buy rats! If you live in the states, you have plenty of shipped frozen feeder options.

Nonono, she's eaten three times since Dec. I've had her since Summer, she's eaten several times. Three times, as in: two mice in Dec [in one feed], one [the healthy mouse] in Jan.

You JUST said in this post that you fed her three times since December. To give you some perspective, I've fed all of my 4 snakes about 8 times since January 1st. You are way under-feeding, and I don't understand why you cant accept that fact and start fixing the situation instead of calling us trolls ?!?? If your snake isn't even eating rats yet, probably means shes still small enough to eat mice. When they are that small, it is really important for them to have a consistent feeding schedule because that is when they tend to have their most important growth spurts. Either way, to answer your initial question of why she isnt pooping: She hasnt eating anywhere near enough to be pooping much!

Edit: even if the OP is feeding two mice per feed, three times since December is still too little.

[KORBIN5895]

Actually if you do the math at two mice per feeding since December she is still on schedule. That is four mice in January and three in February. If you would to think things through as you read the post you would see that up til three or four days ago it was three feedings. Now add the mouse from this week and viola seven mice since December! Now you have fed each of your snakes eight mice? So the op is off of the pace you set by one. I don't know squat about baby rp but seven mice over two months seems real close to proper feeding.

[mattchibi]

Actually if you do the math at two mice per feeding since December she is still on schedule. That is four mice in January and three in February. If you would to think things through as you read the post you would see that up til three or four days ago it was three feedings. Now add the mouse from this week and viola seven mice since December! Now you have fed each of your snakes eight mice? So the op is off of the pace you set by one. I don't know squat about baby rp but seven mice over two months seems real close to proper feeding.

You're right, korbin, shes probably doing an acceptable job.. But , there are still lots of unknown variables such as her bp's weight and prey weight before anyone can say she is feeding her snakes properly. Why settle for "acceptable" when there are clearly things you can do better? Im going to drop it though, since everyone seems to think she is on track. I think it was her comment about us being "trolls" that really riled me up. Sorry

I also feed rats and not mice. And for my hatchlings, it would be closer to 10 feedings since January, not 8.

[Skumbo]

Actually...it says everywhere that Balls DO go looking for food.

KORBIN, you are the only person who is paying attention. Yes, my snake normally eats TWO mice per feed, at least twice a month. She rejects a third until a few more days go by. She eats plenty.

If her eating and pooping were so infrequent, don't you think I would be asking about that and not ONE case of missing poop?.

The smallest rats at my pet store are still too big for her to eat yet. The difference between small and medium rats is practically nonexistent. Also, thanks for the "$2, or so" lowball estimate. It's actually closer to $3.50.

My snake is NOT suffering. Before trying to help someone, might I suggest that you help YOURSELF to some more careful reading and critical thought.

Thank you.

also wanted to add that I wasn't low-balling, i was actually estimating higher, tis $1.50 an adult rat where I live.

$3.50 is ONE gallon of gas, just drive a little more economic and BOOM "free" snake meal once a week

I was hardly trolling.

feeding two mice instead of one proper sized rat does not = two feedings. that = one feeding.


@ people arguing for me not reading, the big indicator I saw wasnt "Oh well im feeding it what I was told" or anything it was "I dont have the money to feed it" which indicated to me that the OP knows it should be fed more, but opted not to due to "financial" reasons.

[KORBIN5895]

We pay four dollars a mouse here and six dollars for a small rat.

So what if the snake was fed one mouse this week and one mouse next week as opposed to two mice this week? When I was buying locally I had to make the choice to spend twenty bucks a week on snake food or use ten of it for bread and cereal for my children. Guess what? I moved my snakes feeding schedule around because I was skint. If you have never had to choose between which kid eats the peanut butter sandwich and which kid eats the rice crispy cereal because they couldn't booth have one please don't start criticizing their decisions. Money is tight for most people these days and i dont see how staggering the snakes meal this week won't make a difference.

Again we are all jumping to conclusions again. Even I am as I don't have two clues what the op plans on doing.

[Skumbo]

We pay four dollars a mouse here and six dollars for a small rat.

So what if the snake was fed one mouse this week and one mouse next week as opposed to two mice this week? When I was buying locally I had to make the choice to spend twenty bucks a week on snake food or use ten of it for bread and cereal for my children. Guess what? I moved my snakes feeding schedule around because I was skint. If you have never had to choose between which kid eats the peanut butter sandwich and which kid eats the rice crispy cereal because they couldn't booth have one please don't start criticizing their decisions. Money is tight for most people these days and i dont see how staggering the snakes meal this week won't make a difference.

Again we are all jumping to conclusions again. Even I am as I don't have two clues what the op plans on doing.

Having been completely poor and well off at different points in my life, im going to have to say "yes i will criticize your decisions"

If you arent in the financial position to feed your snake due to anything, unstable job, having kids, etc etc.. don't get the snake or give it to somebody who can take proper care of it. It's that simple. If you weren't feeding your children child services would come and take them away, and that's how I feel about any living thing, if you're neglecting it, you made a bad decision and don't deserve the animal. It's not the snakes fault, it's yours.

peanut butter, bread, and cereal (especially with milk, which isn't good for you anyway) are very cost-inefficient choices, by the way. Get a 50 lb discounted bag of rice for $30 and feed for family for 2 months on mostly that for $0.50 a day and take care of everybody. there's a reason the majority of the world lives on rice.

having a pet is a luxury in that we can afford to get them and keep them alive and they make us happy in the process. If you are risking your family OR your pets health because you are stretching yourself too thin between the two, its time to down size and take a look at the decisions you've made.

your signature says you have a dog, three kids, a bearded dragon, a cockatiel (no idea how to keep those), 4 snakes, and a ferret..

that's a LOT of animals for somebody who just claimed they couldn't afford to feed their kids cereal and PB sandwiches. Dont go pointing fingers at me without looking at yourself. (You may be fine now, but its a good example.. you have a lot of animals and you said "snakes" when mentioning food, if you had only one snake you could have fed it fine before, so i guess it still applies)

I could afford 5-6 really awesome snakes right now, but I don't have the money in the long run or stability to keep all of them for the next few years, so Im only getting a second one and that's it until I move and settle somewhere else. I'm all budgeted out for feeding, electric bills, etc etc and will have plenty extra in case vet needs arise or anything.

The OP is paying for internet, which is probably around $30 a month if not added w/ cable.. $80 or so a month.

that's more than it would cost to feed the snake just for some "entertainment"..

now, OP could have an internet-based or reliant job, but most likely doesn't if they cant afford $3 a week for a pet.

[KORBIN5895]

Actually when I had to make those dcisions on food I had broke my foot and was unable to work one of my jobs for the summer. Also at that time I had three snakes, a dog, fifty mice ( a side business) a ferret, eight Guinea pigs (side business) , ring neck doves ( side business) and an aquarium of fish. I sold pretty much all of my pets at the time and kept the ferret, the dog, two snakes. I am a hustler and make money anyway I can. One thing I have noticed about you is you are very sure you know things which you so obviously don't. Now before you start telling me how to plan a grocery list maybe you should find out what things cost around here. Then you can tell me how to shop.

[Skumbo]

Actually when I had to make those dcisions on food I had broke my foot and was unable to work one of my jobs for the summer. Also at that time I had three snakes, a dog, fifty mice ( a side business) a ferret, eight Guinea pigs (side business) , ring neck doves ( side business) and an aquarium of fish. I sold pretty much all of my pets at the time and kept the ferret, the dog, two snakes. I am a hustler and make money anyway I can. One thing I have noticed about you is you are very sure you know things which you so obviously don't. Now before you start telling me how to plan a grocery list maybe you should find out what things cost around here. Then you can tell me how to shop.

Uh huh. grump grump

your location is Saint John NB (canada?) though your icon says USA.

If you're in NB, thats actually one of the cheapest places to live in canada, including having one of the highest average incomes. My friend lives in Monctom, and he bought a house because it was so cheap there, he spent the same as he was renting living where I'm from.

Electricity is also less per kW (10.74 c/kW hour) last year in saint john (coverted to USD) versus where I am paying 19.8 cents per hour right now, almost double electricity costs you're paying.

which is just one example..

Anyway, I'm done arguing with you off topic, my point wasn't completely pointed at you, but now it is.

If you have too many animals, you have to get your priorities in order. Don't just get a shitload of animals and expect to be able to keep them without planning. its irresponsible.

[Aaron_S]

I was fine sitting on the sidelines in this topic until the whole part about being a troll came up.

Just because someone talks about something that YOU don't like you call them a troll?! What the hell is that? You're ridiculous.

On the feeding thing, there isn't a reason to still be on mice, financial reasons or not. It will actually cost you LESS in the long run since a single rat will equal multiple mice at a single feeding. Also, since when did a WHOLE $1.50 break a bank for a pet? Snakes have to be THE cheapest animal to feed on a weekly basis and yet you apparently still can't afford that.

Now I'll be the troll...

[Skumbo]

I was fine sitting on the sidelines in this topic until the whole part about being a troll came up.

Just because someone talks about something that YOU don't like you call them a troll?! What the hell is that? You're ridiculous.

On the feeding thing, there isn't a reason to still be on mice, financial reasons or not. It will actually cost you LESS in the long run since a single rat will equal multiple mice at a single feeding. Also, since when did a WHOLE $1.50 break a bank for a pet? Snakes have to be THE cheapest animal to feed on a weekly basis and yet you apparently still can't afford that.

Now I'll be the troll...

Thank you for bringing it back on topic. The only reason I was in here was because I cared about the well being of a snake.

[millertime89]

Now I'll be the troll...

you should change your avatar to a picture of a troll.

[Aaron_S]

Good call Kyle, good call...

[millertime89]

Good call Kyle, good call...

although that creepy monkey is a good start, I just think you could do better.

[Wolfus_305]

I know it's difficult to hear corrections to something you've been doing but a lot of the people on here are experts with snakes in general and ball pythons and have also learned from experience.

If the experts are saying that it should be on rats, then I really think it should be on rats.

Would it be possible for you to post your snakes set up (temp, humidity etc) and weight so that everybody reading this can get the full story?

[infernalis]

Ok everyone, I just edited this thread down the best I can.

[Bradyloach]

Everyone just love :)