starting to get into breeding, any good morphs?

[DeesBalls]

what are some good base morphs of royals to get started with... im thinking of:


pastel(have)
mohave
spider
pinstripe
a few hets (have 1 het albino, 1 het albino pos het pied)


you think anything else would be good to start breeding??

my eventual plans are ot make an albino Pied... also looking to make a little money, nothing amazing, jsut a little cash :)

thanks for all help.

[millertime89]

I'm an albino and axanthic fan personally.

[Jay]

What's being produced in your area?

[beardeds4life]

all those morphs are good to but i think it would be smart to invest in higher end morphs also i.e. high white pied and i think you should get a butter and a yellow belly. You could also save some space/money by buying animals with many genes in them so you have less to have/feed

[Norm66]

re: "higher end morphs also i.e. high white pied" it was my understanding that a pied was a pied so far as what it would produce. In other words a high white might produce low white offspring and vice-versa. I don't remember where I read that but I do remember it.

Obviously, multi gene animals will speed up the production of higher end (ie. more gene) animals.

As far as what morphs to get, two pieces of advice I've read are a) to decide what you want to produce and get morphs that will help toward that goal, and b) get morphs you personally find appealing by themselves. It'll be a lot more fun raising snakes that you think are cool than otherwise. I'm not sure we'll ever actually breed our snakes or not but I've purchased the ones that will help me produce my 'dream snake'.

[millertime89]

re: "higher end morphs also i.e. high white pied" it was my understanding that a pied was a pied so far as what it would produce. In other words a high white might produce low white offspring and vice-versa. I don't remember where I read that but I do remember it.

Obviously, multi gene animals will speed up the production of higher end (ie. more gene) animals.

As far as what morphs to get, two pieces of advice I've read are a) to decide what you want to produce and get morphs that will help toward that goal, and b) get morphs you personally find appealing by themselves. It'll be a lot more fun raising snakes that you think are cool than otherwise. I'm not sure we'll ever actually breed our snakes or not but I've purchased the ones that will help me produce my 'dream snake'.

re: pieds, its like a bell curve. Consider it on a scale of 1-10, 10 being best. Breed a 10 and a 5 and you'll get mostly 7s and 8s, with some approaching 10 and some approaching 5. Take one of those 7/8s and breed it with a 10 and you've moved the bell curve up. Sure you'll get some below 5 or 7 or whatever, but the likelihood of getting 10s increases. Just selective breeding.

The last bit is good advice, breed what you want that will give you what you want to produce.

[DeesBalls]

I'm an albino and axanthic fan personally.

i love albinos, i want to get into albinos... ie: albino pieds, albinos, albino spiders ect... :)

What's being produced in your area?
honestly, not a clue... :(


all those morphs are good to but i think it would be smart to invest in higher end morphs also i.e. high white pied and i think you should get a butter and a yellow belly. You could also save some space/money by buying animals with many genes in them so you have less to have/feed

dont really have the money to invest in a high end morph like that... im looking to spend in total maybe 1400... not all at one time, little by little...

i am looking for some double genes to get too or maybe like... a pastel het pied for expample, but cant find anything.


i know for a fact i want to breed something with albinos... thats what i love and thats what I want..

[millertime89]

since you're breeding get something like a pastel het pied and a spider het pied.

[DeesBalls]

since you're breeding get something like a pastel het pied and a spider het pied.

i am looking for one :) i really want something (f) het pied.. since my male is 50% pos. het pied..

[jaleely]

How many generations of breeding will it take to get you what you want? Are you going to sell all of the babies, or are you going to get a snake that eats other snakes, to eat the ones you don't want? Are you going to breed siblings and parents together when you find a color or pattern you like, or are you going to breed snakes from different lines that you already have?
How long will it take to get the pairs you want to breed, up to breeding status? Are you going to breed males young? Are you going to power feed the females or wait until they weigh 1200grams or more...or are 3 years old?
Do you have the housing for all the babies? Incubators? Food for their first meals and for the parents?

After spending all the money on snakes, equipment and food, how long will it take you, and how many parings, before you make back your money plus profit?

[DeesBalls]

How many generations of breeding will it take to get you what you want?I am not sure
Are you going to sell all of the babies, or are you going to get a snake that eats other snakes, to eat the ones you don't want? sell them
Are you going to breed siblings and parents together when you find a color or pattern you like, or are you going to breed snakes from different lines that you already have? going to breed siblings/parents if needed to achieve my albino pied, since i have 2 hets to breed together, im sure it will take a while!!!
How long will it take to get the pairs you want to breed, up to breeding status? however long it takes to get up to wieght.. time is not a factor
Are you going to breed males young? no
Are you going to power feed the females or wait until they weigh 1200grams or more...or are 3 years old? probably 1500 grams, no powerfeed
Do you have the housing for all the babies? Incubators? Food for their first meals and for the parents?

After spending all the money on snakes, equipment and food, how long will it take you, and how many parings, before you make back your money plus profit? i have room for all the babies, i rhave a rack that can hold... 28 small tubs, and ill be getting another one too. so plenty of room not sure on how many pairing it will take, it will be an adventure, and food isnt a problem, i buy frozen in bulk, if they need live, i will have to start a colony.

great questions!! i will also get an incubator.. and again please guys, im very new to breeding, im still learning and reading about it, so if i say something stupid about pairings please dont hate :)

[KORBIN5895]

I saw a yellow belly male for $80 today. It was only a 2011 though. Too bad you weren't closer cause I could hook you up with fairly cheap royal morphs.

[pythons9991]

cheap isin't always good, you need to compare average prices of reputable breeders and if you find one much lower you need to wonder why it's so cheap, maybe not a bloodline of investment quality for a breeding project.....

[Caylan]

Get a lesser or mojave het albino. Best albino project out their I think. Super mojave albinos are wicked and lesser albinos are like sunglows. Add to black pastel or het red axanthic(for super pattern later) for some extra contrast. My opinion, you asked for it lol. Caylan.S.

[KORBIN5895]

cheap isin't always good, you need to compare average prices of reputable breeders and if you find one much lower you need to wonder why it's so cheap, maybe not a bloodline of investment quality for a breeding project.....

I have connections. ;) Unfortunately for me I don't care for royals. :(

[beardeds4life]

check craigslist ya there is a bunch of crap on there but you can also find some great stuff

[DeesBalls]

I have been. Nothing yet.

[DeesBalls]

Get a lesser or mojave het albino. Best albino project out their I think. Super mojave albinos are wicked and lesser albinos are like sunglows. Add to black pastel or het red axanthic(for super pattern later) for some extra contrast. My opinion, you asked for it lol. Caylan.S.

I will take into consideration. I now I want something with albinos. Main goal is albino pied.

[DeesBalls]

I have connections. ;) Unfortunately for me I don't care for royals. :(

Your in Nebraska? That is NB right?..just a bit to far

[Caylan]

Then get a female pied, best start. Prove that possible het and have something ready for a male albino when it comes around. Caylan.S.

[beardeds4life]

to bad NB isnt closer to cali...

[KORBIN5895]

Lol. I am in new Brunswick Canada

[millertime89]

Nebraska is NE...
what morphs are you hoping to produce?

[Norm66]

re: pieds, its like a bell curve. Consider it on a scale of 1-10, 10 being best. Breed a 10 and a 5 and you'll get mostly 7s and 8s, with some approaching 10 and some approaching 5. Take one of those 7/8s and breed it with a 10 and you've moved the bell curve up. Sure you'll get some below 5 or 7 or whatever, but the likelihood of getting 10s increases. Just selective breeding.


But with pieds, what's a 10 and what's a 5? Some people like high whites, some like low whites. I like medium or low whites personally but I know some people probably prefer high whites.

I understand selective breeding, but if what I read is correct it doesn't apply to pieds so far as how much white is apparent. I really wish I could find where I read that...I'm starting to wonder if I imagined it. :eek:

[KORBIN5895]

It's all in your head Norm. ;)

Where is your custom title?

[Jenn_06]

i seen a high white pie female a few days a for 900 but it was a 2012, i almost bought it but i want a male.

[Norm66]

It's all in your head Norm. ;)

Where is your custom title?

That would not surprise me at all.

I never picked one.

[alessia55]

I'm partial to high white pieds, albinos, and the 1-color types like the leucistic, super cinny, silver bullet...

[DeesBalls]

Nebraska is NE...
what morphs are you hoping to produce?

mostly stuff with albino in it... albinos, albino pied, albino spiders ect....

[millertime89]

well there ya go then, you need co-doms and doms that are either albino or het albino. Hets will be cheaper but remember when you get het to het anthing that isn't visual is a possible het and then you have to price them accordingly because they might not be carrying the gene.

[DeesBalls]

i am aware of that...

so if i got a few say... spider het albino, spider het pied, mojave het albino, that would be a good start? that would eventually produce spider albinos, albino pied ect... just throwing these up for a quick example..

they hets would be cheaper at 1st, then once i would produce some visual morphs, i could sell those for a good price...

but if i say... bough an albino, couple spiders, couple mojaves ect.. i could get the visual morphs faster??

hope that made sence

[alessia55]

Out of curiosity... who much does an albino pied sell for?

[Spyral]

Alessia, I'm not a BP breeder, or that up on the BP community even, but a quick google search only yielded 1 place that I could find with an Albino Pied, and they were asking $25k for a male OR female.

It's a double recessive, so I know that it's a much lower % chance to get either/or let alone both in a single morph.

Again, I make no claim in being an expert, but I do understand the basics of morph breeding and the likes. I have thought about breeding in the past, but the only way I would go about it is if I was able to realize my dream and open a reptile/exotic pet store, and then breeding would just be something to do on the side. I don't plan on doing it at home because I want to pay attention to all my animals, and I don't have the room for multiple rack systems + Incubator + hatchling + yearlings. . .you get the idea. LOL

To the OP, good luck in whatever it is you set out to do, and hopefully you can achieve those goals, whatever you set them to be. I do know from friends that it's all about patience. BP morphs are some of the most unique out there for sure, you just have to have the time to invest to make it happen.

[beardeds4life]

if you do it right you could have an albino pied in 3 years. But by that time they will only be worth about 15,000 at the most.

[Terranaut]

To sell a $15,000-$20,000 snake you need a buyer with serious coin.

[beardeds4life]

ya! no kidding :eek:

[DeesBalls]

Okay, let me clear things up....

my MAIN GOAL is to produce an albino.. its my favorite, and its always what i wanted, i just think it would be awesome to produce my own..

breeding wise, i dont want me make $1,000's but it would be cool to produce some cool stuff and sell it...

as for an albino pied, that is my all time breeding goal, if it happends i will achive my goal, if not, not a huge deal.. ill still have fun doing it

my main focus will be on albinos, and albino type snakes. also i might do some corn snakes.

to sell a $15000 snake would be absolutly insane! but totally worth it!

[beardeds4life]

ya but they are that much for a reason people want them. People are willing to pay that.

[KORBIN5895]

I just did a quick search on albino pied and found several hets under $1000. So basically anyone with a few grand can get into breeding them. Supply and demand dictates that prices will plummet. Also people now know that they are possible AND how to make them. That alone will affect the market big time.

[mykee]

"re: pieds, its like a bell curve. Consider it on a scale of 1-10, 10 being best. Breed a 10 and a 5 and you'll get mostly 7s and 8s, with some approaching 10 and some approaching 5. Take one of those 7/8s and breed it with a 10 and you've moved the bell curve up. Sure you'll get some below 5 or 7 or whatever, but the likelihood of getting 10s increases. Just selective breeding."

Wrong.
You have as much a chance or producing "1's" from a 10 to 10 pairings as you do of producing "10's"

[Norm66]

Wrong.
You have as much a chance or producing "1's" from a 10 to 10 pairings as you do of producing "10's"

Hey, it wasn't all in my head! ;)

I was sure I'd read that somewhere. I feel better.

[millertime89]

Wrong.
You have as much a chance or producing "1's" from a 10 to 10 pairings as you do of producing "10's"

are pieds the only BP morph like that? My understanding is with morphs you can line breed them to get significantly more and more impressive offspring?

[DeesBalls]

Like i said guy, not looking to make HUGE amounts of money, just looking to have fun.

[exwizard]

Like i said guy, not looking to make HUGE amounts of money, just looking to have fun.


Thats the only reason I would do it anyway. If you ,ake some money along the way, thats a bonus. :)

[mykee]

You cannot line breed pieds to get a higher or lower amount of white. it's an anomolous gene, you get whatever comes out.

[DeesBalls]

Thats the only reason I would do it anyway. If you ,ake some money along the way, thats a bonus. :)


exactly man. my main goal is to just have fun.

[millertime89]

You cannot line breed pieds to get a higher or lower amount of white. it's an anomolous gene, you get whatever comes out.

huh... crazy, thanks for correcting me mykee

[KORBIN5895]

You cannot line breed pieds to get a higher or lower amount of white. it's an anomolous gene, you get whatever comes out.

Pffft! Like you would know. ;)