Looking to Breed my Albino Burmese for first time...

[BurmeseGuy]

Looking to breed her but don't have a suitable male in my possession so I was wondering what would be a good way or how would I go about finding a stud in my area for her to breed with...I am looking for someone in Indianapolis or surrounding areas...willing to give the money from first baby sold as a fee for stud or pick of the litter (I hope for the other lol)

Basically I'm looking for advice too on it all...I have her at about 90 - 95 degrees...she is a little under the weather with a respiratory thing but should be cleared up in a week...Vet says I can make the breeding season this spring as long as I find a male for her...

I thought about craigslist but wasn't sure if there was like a studding website or something

Looking for a Green Burmese or a really light Albino as she is almost white she is so light...hoping to maybe get a all white Burmese or Albino Green

any help is appreciated thanks in advance

[alessia55]

You should really get her weight up first before breeding her, I think

[youngster]

How long is she and how much does she weigh?

[BurmeseGuy]

She is just under 8 feet and weighs like 9 lbs. keep in mind she has had a resp. infection for like the last month and half...her weight has already started coming back...when I weighed her before the vet did she weighed like 6.10 lbs...she just has a skinny neck...the rest of her she is almost 6 inches around...the pictures that you've seen of her are from October, the day I got her...so she is bigger now...I will post one of her more recent pictures hang on...

[Gungirl]

Why do you want to breed?

Have you done all the research on the pro's and con's of it?

Do you have people willing to purchase babies you produce or are you willing to take care of all the offspring?

Lots of questions to answer and things to think about.

[alessia55]

More recent pics would help, yup :) Just that those October pics are all we're going by, and in those she looks thin. Looking forward to seeing those new pics

[BurmeseGuy]

Yes Kat, I have thought long and hard about the pros and cons and my wife and I know we may end up getting stuck with some of them...I have lined up some sales here locally with the pet shops around town...and I am currently looking to sell to some other out of town pet stores and there's always Craigslist...I want to breed because I want a hatchling that is mine from start to finish...and I simply love Burmese Pythons...yes I know about the care they require even when they are extremely large...in two weeks we will have 6, 10 ft x 2 ft x 3 ft enclosures...pluse a few vertical (wife wants a red amazon tree boa) it's not like I don't know what I'm getting into...my largest snake to date was a 16 ft Burmese and that was when I was in my late teens early 20's...

[Gungirl]

Ok just asking the basics before offering up advice. If I where you I would go to a local expo and ask around. Find out who deals in burms near you that might be interested in a breeding loan. The hard part in my mind is dealing with proper quarantine and all that stuff prior to actually breeding. The risk of taking on a sick snake that could destroy the collection is what worries me. I wouldn't trust craigslist or anything like that but that's me.

[alessia55]

It might be harder to get those babies into new homes now that the ban prohibits people from moving out of state with them :hmm:

[BurmeseGuy]

Well I know there are tons of Burmese lovers here in Indy and know there is a market for them...who knows maybe I can become a breeder and supply the state...again who knows...I see your point about her being sick Kate but my vet (who tends to all exotics at the Indianapolis Zoo) assures me it's a mild infection and after the doses of antibiotics she will be as good as new...and she said she seen nothing wrong with trying to breed her

[BurmeseGuy]

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my youngest BOY lol...and Mello Yellow early late December...my son is 4'9'' in this picture

[Gungirl]

I said nothing about her being sick. I said taking on a sick snake meaning the male that you bring in could have something you cant see and that may hurt your collection. Only if you dont quarantine properly.

[alessia55]

I hope you don't mind BurmeseGuy... I'm going to embed the photo for those of you who can't open the link:

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[Trent]

She is just under 8 feet and weighs like 9 lbs. keep in mind she has had a resp. infection for like the last month and half...her weight has already started coming back...when I weighed her before the vet did she weighed like 6.10 lbs...she just has a skinny neck...the rest of her she is almost 6 inches around...the pictures that you've seen of her are from October, the day I got her...so she is bigger now...I will post one of her more recent pictures hang on...
She is way too small for breeding..not enough weight or length.
Also with the RI for the last month,it would be very taxing for her even if you were to try.Could kill her.I would give her another season.Get her up to were she needs to be size wise.Then track down a good male.

[BurmeseGuy]

cool well guess I'll wait I'm assuming the vet has no idea what she's talking about then...lol so should I feed her more often then to try and get her weight up...vet said no feeding on antibiotics...but normal feeding is every other week...should I feed her once a week?

And ok Kat I understand what your saying now...yeah guess I should've looked for a male sooner then huh? I had planned on a once over by the vet and fecal sample for parasites from what ever male I might have gotten

[Gungirl]

I wouldn't push her to gain weight until she is 100% healthy. Once she is healthy then you can feed her weekly.

[BurmeseGuy]

that's what I was thinking of doing...of course vet said no food for 18 days...till antibiotics is gone

[shaunyboy]

i would only take a snake on loan for a breeding project if.....

i knew the person very well and their husbandry was spot on and all their snakes 100% healthy

re pick of the litter
over here thats what you'd do if you were paying for a stud dog in a dog breeding

with snakes though its more common to " half " the clutch between you and the owner of the other snake

as said,unless i knew the snake in question really well,i would be too scared of introducing health problems to my collection with an unknown snake

not trying to be cheeky mate,just pointing out the risks of an unquaratined snake or the lack of history on it,may lead to health issues in your own snake

cheers shaun

[Trent]

Its going to take some time to get her up to weight.If it were me I would buy my own male and grow him up.Males mature way faster than females.No problems that come with a breeding loan and you have a male stud for future breedings as well.

[BurmeseGuy]

Yeah I get what your saying Shaun and while it maybe be half the clutch there not too sure what it is here...I was thinking I would use and albino green or a light albino burmese...now those snakes go for some nice change so i'm not sure i'd be willing to sacrifice half the clutch...maybe i'd just pay a fee from the sale of the first one...kinda thing and no Shaun not cheeky at all...I'm a pretty laid back guy...not into arguing or any childish crap getting mad over something someone said...I'm too old for that stuff lol

[asnakelovinbabe]

I see so many $20 burms at shows and the rescues are just stuffed with them. just remember they have a LOT of babies and finding GOOD homes for them is harder than you think. If you end up having to wholesale or craigslist the babies... you won't even know where they are going... I can assure you that a lot of them will end up in negligent, dead end homes. No offense, but IMO burmese pythons do NOT belong on craigslist or in public pet shops where every joe schmoe can buy one. There are very few people who are actually equipped with the knowledge and equipment to properly care for giants... let alone handle the feeder bill that comes with it, especially once they start eating RABBITS. That number is HUGELY outweighed already by the sheer amount of baby burms produced every year. People just don't realize that they eventually outgrow that 100 gallon fish tank and then dump it on whoever will take it, or even worse, turn it onto the street. All of these irresponsible keepers who get tired of their pet after the novelty wears off is one of the biggest reasons we now face this crisis.

[BurmeseGuy]

I actually thought about that Trent...I don't know I'm just weighing my options out at the moment...I actually have considered that...now if I buy a regular Green Burmese what are the chances of an Albino Green Burmese is my question...why hasn't someone made a Burmese Genetic Calculator...lol

[BurmeseGuy]

I agree there are piss poor owners out there EVERYWHERE not just in Florida just the bulk of them live there...ha ha no seriously I have found 2 baby Burmese Juvenile's in a local park that were beaten to death...so your preaching to the choir and yes I know craigslist is a problem...

[alessia55]

If you want to raise a baby burm from the start... why not find a breeder that's expecting a clutch? and come and pick one out when it hatches? There's already too many burms without homes as it is. :)

[BurmeseGuy]

I know I can remember 25 years ago when it was so difficult to come by a Burmese...I had the chance and traded a Fender Stratocaster Brand New *in 1988 lol cost 600 bucks and I traded even for the snake...she was about 5ft when I got her she lived to be 15 - 17ft and passed away of kind of parasite...I was in-experienced at the time...I started feeding her lab rats the size of rabbits when she passed, I'm fairly certain I was the cause of her demise by buying lab rats cheap

[KORBIN5895]

Personally I would either purchase a male or offer someone half the price of a male. So if a male was three hundred dollars I would offer $150 for studding.

[asnakelovinbabe]

Looking for a Green Burmese or a really light Albino as she is almost white she is so light...hoping to maybe get a all white Burmese or Albino Green



just saw this part of your question now... along with the "what are the chances of..."

Is your female het for green? If she is not, then your chances of getting an albino green from her are ZERO even if you breed her to a green or an albino green. If you breed her to a really light albino you will get more albinos. You will definitely not get an all white burm, that would be a leucistic which at this time fetches thousands and is the super form of hypo... the result of breeding two hypos together.

[BurmeseGuy]

well thanks for the info on the outcome...I don't know what her stats are just know she'd have albino offspring at the very least...

[KORBIN5895]

For her to have albino babies the male needs to be albino or het albino.

[BurmeseGuy]

yes I do understand that much of it...lol but thanks man

[beardeds4life]

Im not against breeding but like someone said before there is no reason to, If your female was a better morph than albino I would say yes just there are to many burs with no where near enough good homes. Did you know that there a burm only rescues opening up? All you will be doing is adding to the problems the reptile community has.

[presspirate]

I have to agree with the above statement. With the recent ban It will be difficult to place the young. I would look at getting a very young one from a breeder asap. And raise him/her from the ground up.

[marvelfreak]

With the Ban on Burmese most pet store won't even touch them.

[KORBIN5895]

Hey Dale. Honestly what everyone has said about too many Burns is true yet so many on her are still breeding rp ( for you Todd! ). I see that as a double standard. If you have a market then go for it! If you only want one breed her and pick the best looking one and euthanize the rest. I know that may not be popular but it is an option.

[Will0W783]

No offense, BurmeseGuy, but you are nowhere near knowledgeable enough to breed. Honestly, you should spend the next few years researching Burmese pythons and breeding them before you even consider it. From the looks of your Burm, she will need two more seasons before she's ready to breed. Female Burms need to be at least ten feet and 40 pounds, or more. My male (10 years old) is 13 feet and 90 pounds, and not at all fat or overweight. He could even be thicker but I hold his weight steady for better health since I don't intend to breed him.
There's a lot more to breeding than just sticking two snakes together. You need a proper incubator and the skills to fix problems that may arise. You need to know how to cool the pair without getting them sick, you need to have a calendar set up and plan to be home for 24-48 hours when she's due to lay the eggs. You have to have experience with tough feeders to get the babies started...: there's a lot to it.
Also both breeding snakes should be healthy for at least a year before you even attempt to cool them.

Take your time, do your research and think hard about whether you're willing to take the risks. There's always a risk of illness or death to the female. It's a big decision. Don't make it lightly.

[Valvaren]

@Korbin : Really, honestly you want him to create a bunch of babies to get something he wants and kill them. Honestly I think that is the most extremely selfish and terrible thing I have heard in a while. These animals aren't just toys are play things but that is all I get out of that statement.

If you truly love these animals and care about them you will buy a baby in need of a home from a breeder instead of adding more to a problem that is sure to increase greatly due to the ban that just past. People really need to start looking past what they want and look at what is best for the animals.

[BurmeseGuy]

No offense, BurmeseGuy, but you are nowhere near knowledgeable enough to breed. Honestly, you should spend the next few years researching Burmese pythons and breeding them before you even consider it. From the looks of your Burm, she will need two more seasons before she's ready to breed. Female Burms need to be at least ten feet and 40 pounds, or more. My male (10 years old) is 13 feet and 90 pounds, and not at all fat or overweight. He could even be thicker but I hold his weight steady for better health since I don't intend to breed him.
There's a lot more to breeding than just sticking two snakes together. You need a proper incubator and the skills to fix problems that may arise. You need to know how to cool the pair without getting them sick, you need to have a calendar set up and plan to be home for 24-48 hours when she's due to lay the eggs. You have to have experience with tough feeders to get the babies started...: there's a lot to it.
Also both breeding snakes should be healthy for at least a year before you even attempt to cool them.

Take your time, do your research and think hard about whether you're willing to take the risks. There's always a risk of illness or death to the female. It's a big decision. Don't make it lightly.

Kim, no offense but, offense taken, you know nothing about me or my knowledge...sure I don't know jack about genetics but will take any Burmese I simply pointed out what I'd like to have...I do have an incubator set up...my snakes enclosure even now with the 55 on the side has a temperature control unit...she is kept between 88-92 degrees Fahrenheit and her humidity is between 50 and 60% and I know when season starts to come in you raise her temp. to get her ready...I have had Burmese Pythons for the last 25 years so there is one thing I know...Burmese Pythons...I'm new to breeding not the snake...you know nothing about me like I said or my knowledge...and for the record I would never breed and take pick of litter and destroy the rest...sorry it's not in me to do that.

[lady_bug87]

You may have been offended by what Kim said but I hope you read it. I am NOT anti-breeding my lizards breed all the time the eggs are extremely difficult to hatch but I have been trying, in saying that please understand that the health of your animal is paramount.

Just the idea that she's been sick and is thin is reason enough to wait to breed her and selling babies or not breeding is expensive you have to have storage, food, and vet visits for neonates. In my opinion it would be unethical to sell a snake that has not been seen by either a vet or an experienced breeder. Also you may not sell them right away and Burms can lay A LOT of young in a season are you prepared for 20, 30 or 40 neonates?

I would personally NOT breed her at all. Even *if* all the conditions and genetics were in place there is no guarantee that you would get what you are looking for and then what do you do? It may take several generations for what you want to hatch that is a lot of babies. Besides no responsible owner will lend you a male just as your female is coming out of having an RI, I personally think you should wait (as Kim said) at least 2 more seasons to breed I would even agree with the reasons why she suggested you wait.

There are a lot of good points as to not breeding her ultimately its your decision.

[Trent]

Kim, no offense but, offense taken, you know nothing about me or my knowledge...sure I don't know jack about genetics but will take any Burmese I simply pointed out what I'd like to have...I do have an incubator set up...my snakes enclosure even now with the 55 on the side has a temperature control unit...she is kept between 88-92 degrees Fahrenheit and her humidity is between 50 and 60% and I know when season starts to come in you raise her temp. to get her ready...I have had Burmese Pythons for the last 25 years so there is one thing I know...Burmese Pythons...I'm new to breeding not the snake...you know nothing about me like I said or my knowledge...and for the record I would never breed and take pick of litter and destroy the rest...sorry it's not in me to do that.
Relax mate...she's giving you some good advice.Is she still living in a 55 gallon tank?? Must be a tight fit for a 8 foot burm.Like I said in a earlier post get yourself a baby male that you know the genes of and raise him up.If you really want to have babies.It will give your girl time to get to size and give yourself time to learn more about the breeding side of burms.I agree with you on breeding just for one and killing the rest.Kinda messed up. No offence intended just trying to steer you down the right path.I had several burms for year before they banned them here.So I understand the passion for the big guys:D

[BurmeseGuy]

Relax mate...she's giving you some good advice.Is she still living in a 55 gallon tank?? Must be a tight fit for a 8 foot burm.Like I said in a earlier post get yourself a baby male that you know the genes of and raise him up.If you really want to have babies.It will give your girl time to get to size and give yourself time to learn more about the breeding side of burms.I agree with you on breeding just for one and killing the rest.Kinda messed up. No offence intended just trying to steer you down the right path.I had several burms for year before they banned them here.So I understand the passion for the big guys:D

Thanks Trent, yes I'm going to buy a baby Burm possibly this weekend...if anyone at the show has a Burm, it's coming home with me...and I do understand the advice...yes unfortunately she is still in the 55 and yes it's a tight squeeze it kills me everyday she is in it...I'm waiting on a 800.00 check and then I am purchasing the rest of the material to finish her 10ft long 2ft tall 3ft wide enclosure...it's actually 4 long enclosures and 2 vertical enclosures all in one unit that is able to be taken apart...I already have the plans drawn out...I want some colored Amazon Tree Boa's well the wife does, she's the Boa enthusiast and I like Burms and Retic's...so to all the people that seem to know me so well...I'm waiting for at least 2 seasons and waiting for the male I purchase to catch up to her...ok end of discussion thanks for all the input and advice

[KORBIN5895]

Lol! I knew that would go over like a lead balloon! Where did I say he should? I just gave the option.

[millertime89]

I would say a 10x2x3 is gonna be too big, even for a full grown female. A 6w x 1.5h x 3d would be ideal IMO.
Make sure if you buy a baby you get an albino or het albino to make sure you get albinos from her clutch. If you can get an albino hypo or hypo het albino you'll get hypos, hypo het albinos, hypo albinos, and normal het albinos, which appeal to a number of different people. Sure the hypo is going to be a bit more expensive, but the return is going to be greater.

[beardeds4life]

i still think it would be highly irresponsible to breed burms I talk to a lot of breeders and ALL of them are maybe breeding one clutch of burms eveyr 3 years.

[Norm66]

FWIW I was at an expo today and the prices on the burms were way down. Full grown snakes going for $200. The ban has destroyed the market.

[millertime89]

I don't think its that down, that's what I've seen full grown normals go for before.

[beardeds4life]

the other day i saw a BRAND NEW MORPH the first off its kind (i dont remember what it is called) for only 800 the market is very down i was very tempted to buy it but decided against it because I know right now i cant take care of one properly

[millertime89]

doubt it was brand new. Can't really verify without a title though. Any idea who the dealer/breeder was that had it?

[beardeds4life]

no but I did a lot of digging and found that in the national record thing hat breeder was the frist to produce it and after he did blood work and stuff verifying it was a recessive morph the ban passed and decided to sell her

[presspirate]

Full grown giants are hard to move. (Sell) Unless they are designer then they might fetch a good price as breeders.

[KORBIN5895]

the other day i saw a BRAND NEW MORPH the first off its kind (i dont remember what it is called) for only 800 the market is very down i was very tempted to buy it but decided against it because I know right now i cant take care of one properly

Where would a 15year old come up with $800?

[Will0W783]

Dale, you're right-I don't know you or your experience level; however, your post speaks for itself. The fact that you were considering breeding a female Burmese that is waay way underweight and not nearly long enough for breeding, not to mention sick, tells me that you are NOT knowledgeable about breeding, or about Burmese pythons for that matter, enough to attempt it yet.

I tried to give you advice in the nicest way I could. Honestly, your original post that you are wanting to breed your snake this season pissed me off. How can you even consider breeding a sick (or recently sick) snake that is that underweight??? If you've been keeping Burmese pythons for 25 years as you've said, how do you not know the minimum size for breeding and a proper length/weight ratio???
I'm sorry, but the way I see it, you really need to do more research about breeding and the proper weight for Burmese pythons before you put your girl through the stress of breeding- it is stressful and taxing on a female's body, and yours is in no shape to go through it.

[BurmeseGuy]

Dale, you're right-I don't know you or your experience level; however, your post speaks for itself. The fact that you were considering breeding a female Burmese that is waay way underweight and not nearly long enough for breeding, not to mention sick, tells me that you are NOT knowledgeable about breeding, or about Burmese pythons for that matter, enough to attempt it yet.

I tried to give you advice in the nicest way I could. Honestly, your original post that you are wanting to breed your snake this season pissed me off. How can you even consider breeding a sick (or recently sick) snake that is that underweight??? If you've been keeping Burmese pythons for 25 years as you've said, how do you not know the minimum size for breeding and a proper length/weight ratio???
I'm sorry, but the way I see it, you really need to do more research about breeding and the proper weight for Burmese pythons before you put your girl through the stress of breeding- it is stressful and taxing on a female's body, and yours is in no shape to go through it.

Which is why in my last post I said I was waiting at the very least 2 seasons...thanks for the input, sorry to have "pissed you off"

[KORBIN5895]

Ooooo! Looks like you got yourself a new burm!

[Will0W783]

It's ok Dale. I'm sorry to have offended you too- I have just seem too many ugliness from people power feeding their snakes or breeding them too soon. When I sense that someone might be rushing an animal I get really nervous. I am glad that you are choosing to wait- it'll reward you in the long run as a bigger female can have more eggs and they tend to be stronger babies; also, you can see where this ban goes. I personally am holding out hope that USARK can get the ban reversed or at least reduced. If you have any questions about your Burm or breeding, I'd be happy to help as much as I can.

[beardeds4life]

It's ok Dale. I'm sorry to have offended you too- I have just seem too many ugliness from people power feeding their snakes or breeding them too soon. When I sense that someone might be rushing an animal I get really nervous. I am glad that you are choosing to wait- it'll reward you in the long run as a bigger female can have more eggs and they tend to be stronger babies; also, you can see where this ban goes. I personally am holding out hope that USARK can get the ban reversed or at least reduced. If you have any questions about your Burm or breeding, I'd be happy to help as much as I can.

whatever she tells you is right she is a snake genius!

[Skumbo]

Where would a 15year old come up with $800?

I worked full time in high school since i was 13, i had $800 easily to spend at 15 since when you're that age you dont have any bills or otherwise, minimum wage is more like $25/hr if you arent paying bills!

[Will0W783]

Skumbo, I sure miss those days....

I remember when I used to feel rich having $20 in my pocket, lol. Then dozens of mouths to feed, car insurance, health insurance, rent....etc came along.

I don't wanna grow up.... LOL

[millertime89]

I don't wanna grow up.... LOL

I'm definitely not looking forward to it... Its coming up quick and staring me in the face.