Tronik, Python and Corn Snake

[TroniK]

Hey guys I'm Tronik and I got 1 Python I recently got and a baby corn snake.

My Python, Would you guys tell me how to sex it and what kind of python is it?
Currently eats 1 large rat
http://i44.tinypic.com/2pzd8q0.jpg


My corn snake, what kind of corn snake is it and how long does it grow?
Currently eats pinkies.. But I've fed her fuzzies before.
http://i44.tinypic.com/2v950y9.jpg

I had another Corn snake about 1ft but it died from some disease.
I also got 1 female rat that just gave birth to 9 pinkies.

[infernalis]

That's a Ball Python (Python Regius) and an Albino corn snake.

Your corn snake will grow to approximatly 48 inches long.

Wouild you like some care information on your snakes?

sSnakeSs.com - Rules (http://www.ssnakess.com/index.php?page=rules)

http://www.thamfriends.com/mat.jpg

[youngster]

It's a ball python, or royal python (python regius)
How come you got it without knowing the species?

You can sex a python by probing it.
Thought only experienced people should do it, do you have a pet store nearby that could do it?

[Swany]

Hi and welcome to the madhouse. It looks like a ball python to me, BUT I'm kinda new to snake keeping so I might be wrong :-)

[theapexgerman]

it's a BP and that look's like a Albino okeetee corn either that or a normal Albino I'm not to go on corn's only had 2 in two past

[Hillsberry]

Looks like a Ball Python to me.I would definitely recommend doing some research on both snakes. There are many care sheets on Google that will help you, or just ask us. Almost anyone on this forum can help you with learning more about your snakes. Please don't hesitate to ask. Oh and welcome! :D

[SnakeyJay]

Hi and welcome to the madhouse. It looks like a ball python to me, BUT I'm kinda new to snake keeping so I might be wrong :-)

Royal python.... Tut tut swany your becoming Americanised already haha :D :rolleyes:

[Swany]

Jamie I ALWAYS refer to Princess as a Royal. I said ball cos the OP's American lol Anyway I'm sure I once heard my Gran say my Granddad was a cowboy, so I'm practically family to most of the members here :-)

[BarelyBreathing]

Only an experienced person should sex a snake.

[Swany]

Only an experienced person should sex a snake.

Just as a matter of interest. How is it done BB ? Princess was sexed before I got her and Iv'e no idea how you tell.

[theapexgerman]

with a probe it's a metal rod you stick up the but of a snake

[BarelyBreathing]

With ball pythons, unless they're hatchlings, they are usually large enough to "pop". This is done by pushing their hemipenes or hemiclitoris out of their vent. Another way to sex a snake is by probing it. You take a lubricated probe and push it in their vent gently. If it goes in past a certain depth, it's a male. Females probe at 2-4 subcaudal scales, and males probe at 6 or more.

[theapexgerman]

i had my bull snake probe some place's do it for free or small fine the guy i go to does it for free

[SnakeyJay]

Jamie I ALWAYS refer to Princess as a Royal. I said ball cos the OP's American lol Anyway I'm sure I once heard my Gran say my Granddad was a cowboy, so I'm practically family to most of the members here :-)

I'm just teasing you lol :D

[Swany]

With ball pythons, unless they're hatchlings, they are usually large enough to "pop". This is done by pushing their hemipenes or hemiclitoris out of their vent. Another way to sex a snake is by probing it. You take a lubricated probe and push it in their vent gently. If it goes in past a certain depth, it's a male. Females probe at 2-4 subcaudal scales, and males probe at 6 or more.

Thanks BB I'd no idea lol. Aye that sounds like you gotta know what your doing. Subcaudal scales ? Remember your talking to a numpty here lol

[BarelyBreathing]

They are basically the under side of the tail scales past the vent.

If you have a reptile specialty store in your area, most will sex your snake for free or cheap.

[alessia55]

Welcome to the forum Tronik! We're glad to have you here.

As others have pointed out, you definitely have a ball python (python regius is the scientific name). It looks like you picked up an adult. You can have your ball python sexed by a breeder near you, or a vet. Although there are YouTube videos out there that show how to do it yourself, I don't recommend it. For the safety of your ball python, it is better you find someone who is experienced to do it for you.

What kind of set up do you have for your ball python and your corn snake? We want to make sure you have the right tools and information to properly keep and take care of your new snakes. Feel free to show us photos of what you currently have them living in, and we'll be happy to point you in the right direction if necessary. We're a really helpful bunch of people here, and we're happy to help you make sure your snakes will be happy and healthy. :)

[KORBIN5895]

Welcome. It's a jungle in here!

Sounds to me that the op is wondering what kinda of morphs he has as opposed to species( I could easily be wrong) it's a normal phase ball.

[red ink]

G'day and welcome

[TroniK]

ok thanks all and I will take it to my petshop to see.
I bought the python from a flea market so they didnt know what is was.
And I wil post pictures of my set up when I get home.
I got the corn snake in a 10gal tank with black heatin light
Water bowl, cave, and small branch. For bedding I got aspen.

I got my ball python in a 55gal tank with aspen, water bowl,branches (fake) and big cave enough for her to fit in.

Also last night she was wondering.around and she made mountains with the aspen.. Any reason for that?

[Norm66]

Welcome! :)

Sometimes in their wanderings the bedding bunches up. No real intentions, it's just what happens.

[Lankyrob]

You may find that aspen moulds with the humidity required for the BP, also both snakes need hides at both the hot and cold end of the tanks rather than just one hiding place :)

[alessia55]

Because your ball python needs high humidity levels, you're better off buying a substrate like ReptiBark that will hold humidity in better. Like Rob said, aspen might get moldy. This is what ReptiBark looks like...and you can buy it at your local pet store. There are other alternatives to it too, but this is what I use for my ball pythons.
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/images/Categoryimages/normal/p_231560_15849S.jpg
You need to have at least two hides "caves" for each snake. One on each side of the tanks. This is so that when they thermoregulate, they have a safe space to to hide in on each side. This applies to both the ball python and the corn snake.
Both snakes need an under tank heating pad on one side of their tanks. Both heating pads need to be on a thermostat to regulate their temperatures (without one, heating pads can get dangerously hot and burn your snake's belly).
I look forward to seeing photos of your set up so we can help you out some more if you need it :)

[TroniK]

I got told I don't really need a heating pad.
I'm not up to spending anymore.
I spent 150$ just on the 55gal tank
25$ on hiding cave
18$ on aspen
15$ on water bowl
20$ on branches
80$ on python..
Thats alot just for a ball python plus the lightning and everything.
I got the light on one side of the tank (away from cave and water)
Here some pics;

Side View of 55gal tank (Ball Python)
http://i42.tinypic.com/9k3wqo.jpg


Front View of 55gal tank (Ball Python)
http://i42.tinypic.com/2en92f7.jpg


Front View of 10gal ttank (Corn Snake)
http://i44.tinypic.com/synfnr.jpg


Both tanks got heating lights, branches, water dish, cave, aspen.

[Lankyrob]

As long as your temps are ok then you wont need additional heating pad - how is the humidity in the BP tank? DOesnt seem to be much condensation on the glass? It really does need an additional hide tho - every snake needs a hot and a cold hiding place otherwise they cant be secure and thermoregulate at the same time :)

[TroniK]

it has alot of aspen ( she can hide in it). Last nite she got under the aspen and hid there for like 2hrs.
And 60% Humidity. temp is 82*F
And my room is pretty warm.. Its always like 75-85 even with A.C on.
Or do you got any site that sells supplies for cheap? Cause at my petshop every decor is like 25$.. Even hides.
I wanted some branches she can hang in cause everytime I go to my petshop they hanging on branches.

[alessia55]

I understand it feels like a lot of money being spent... But think of it like buying insurance. If you make sure your python has the right set up from the get-go, you might be able to avoid things like respiratory infections and other husbandry-related illnesses. You might not need a heating pad... but that depends entirely on the temperatures your'e able to achieve in your enclosure with the bulbs. What temperatures do you get at the hot end and the cool end of your enclosures? What is your humidity measurement?
However, you really do need to get them each another hide. They need two- one at each end, so that they can feel secure when they're trying to thermoregulate. The good news is...... you don't need to BUY one! You can easily make one. Get an old shoe box, turn it upside down, and make an entry hole. Or the same with a styrofoam box. You get the idea. It's easy! And it'll make a world of difference for your snakes :) It may not be the prettiest option, but until you can buy a prettier hide/cave, this will do.

[theapexgerman]

well you could always use a card board box as a hide be creative and for log's and stuff you can use log's and branches and stuff just make sure you disinfect them before you put them in your cage

isn't 80 buck's a little to high for regular ball python? and a 55 gal tank costing 150 buck's that's way to high

[TroniK]

its cause the tank came with the stand and everything and its custom.
And Also i got one more question.
I know snakes are SOLITARY and stuff but at the shop they had her with another python almost the same size. together . what if i buy the other snake
and put them together?
Will they fight and stuff?
Also there's this guy wanting to breed his with mine..
I need steps and stuff.

[youngster]

I use cardboard boxes and plastic tupperware containers for my snakes.
They work just as well even if they don't look as good.

Co habitation CAN work, but it's very risky and it can effect the snakes quality of life.
Most of us are against it, for many reasons.

[theapexgerman]

its cause the tank came with the stand and everything and its custom.
And Also i got one more question.
I know snakes are SOLITARY and stuff but at the shop they had her with another python almost the same size. together . what if i buy the other snake
and put them together?
Will they fight and stuff?
Also there's this guy wanting to breed his with mine..
I need steps and stuff.
1 snake enough for now and it could stress out the snake's if there more than one in the cage only at breeding time should you put 2+ in a cage but king's/milk's corn's all of them cant be put together they will eat each other next time you buy a snake go to a expo or something like that way better price's on snake's and a lot more helpful at time's

[TroniK]

They had them together over there. Idk if one was male and other was female or anything.
All I know is that they had 2 pythons (about 2ft) together and when I saw them they both were in the same cave.

[alessia55]

its cause the tank came with the stand and everything and its custom.
And Also i got one more question.
I know snakes are SOLITARY and stuff but at the shop they had her with another python almost the same size. together . what if i buy the other snake
and put them together?
Will they fight and stuff?
Also there's this guy wanting to breed his with mine..
I need steps and stuff.

Pet stores that keep ball pythons all together in one enclosure is dangerous. Yes, ball pythons are SOLITARY animals. They only time ball pythons should be housed together is when you're attempting to breed a male and a female together, and even then they don't live together for very long. Why? because they'll compete for space and food. One will "dominate" over the other and cause the other to feel threatened. The extreme consequence... one eats the other:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/deb31/Cannibalism1.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/deb31/Cannibalism2.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/deb31/Cannibalism3.jpg

I highly recommend you get at least several months of experience taking care of your snake before you breed it. First, you'll need to have it sexed. More importantly, though, you'll need to have it quarantined for 3-6 months before putting it in touch with another ball python, to make sure your snake didn't bring any diseases with him (that may take a while to arise).

[theapexgerman]

crappy pet shop then unless they was breeding them that is but in general 1 snake per tank

[TroniK]

Alright.
But they guy where I got it at said he had both snakes together for 2years and never done any harm to each other.
He feeds them separate and leaves them separate while food goes down.

[alessia55]

They had them together over there. Idk if one was male and other was female or anything.
All I know is that they had 2 pythons (about 2ft) together and when I saw them they both were in the same cave.

Seeing the two ball pythons together in the cave can mean they were doing one of these:
1. competing for space/one exerting dominance over the other
2. they had no option because they were both thermoregulating and needed the same side of the cage

In the wild, ball pythons don't share territory. It may not be active "fighting," but it's a subtle kind of exertion of dominance that eventually will result in one snake being the victim.

Expos/shows/pet stores may show multiple ball pythons sharing one cage/box, but that is very temporary and mostly because they don't have enough space for each snake to be housed independently (and in the case of pet stores, they usually aren't aware of the risks of doing so).

[alessia55]

Alright.
But they guy where I got it at said he had both snakes together for 2years and never done any harm to each other.
He feeds them separate and leaves them separate while food goes down.

Well he's been lucky so far in that case. If you love your snake, you won't take the risk at all in the first place. ;)

[theapexgerman]

there's a local petco 5 minute drive from me they house like 4 ball pythons and many corn snake's and king's together i went in there one day and saw a king eating another king told the person around he said it was very natural for them to do that never went in there again

[TroniK]

Hmm Alright..
I got more money so I wanted another snake.
I really like the Python Tree snake (green)
Any place I can get snakes like that? My petshop
mostly sells Python, Corn snake and baby king snake.

[alessia55]

Hmm Alright..
I got more money so I wanted another snake.
I really like the Python Tree snake (green)
Any place I can get snakes like that? My petshop
mostly sells Python, Corn snake and baby king snake.

Honestly, I recommend you wait until you get more solid experience with your ball python and your corn snake that you just acquired. Green Tree Pythons (GTPs) are not recommended for people who don't have plenty of experience with other snakes first. Get a handle on making sure your current two snakes have everything they need before you invest in a third snake.

[TroniK]

Ok I will make the 2 extra caves today.
But any idea where I can get them?

[theapexgerman]

i wouldn't even get a GTP really aggressive and get quite big and big head's to it's going to hurt like hell getting tag

reptile expo's order them online etc

[TroniK]

Hmm.. Any other good snakes?
I just don't like the pattern on my python and corn snake..
I like the yellow one.. I think its Albino Python or something.
Also I saw a California King Snake in my petshop.. Are they good?
I saw couple of kids handling them and they didn't seem aggressive.
How long do Cali King Snake Grow? The one they got is bout 3ft

[theapexgerman]

any kingsnake/milk snake make good pet's my first snake was my Albino nelson milk snake you can see some pic's in the coulbrid forums cali king's get 36 inches to 43 there easier to take care of than a Ball python in my opinion

[TroniK]

Where is the coulbrid forums?
I wanted the Cali King Snake at first but i didn't really know if to get it or not.
Cause I like large snakes. Like the python I got its like 2-3ft right now and they grow to like 7+ft.
I was getting a Columbian Red Tail for 150$.. Is that a good deal or no?

[BarelyBreathing]

Why did you get them if you don't like them?

[theapexgerman]

Where is the coulbrid forums?
I wanted the Cali King Snake at first but i didn't really know if to get it or not.
Cause I like large snakes. Like the python I got its like 2-3ft right now and they grow to like 7+ft.
I was getting a Columbian Red Tail for 150$.. Is that a good deal or no?
http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/general-colubrid-forum/90005-here-s-my-nelson-ill-get-better-pic-s-when-i-get-more-time.html
heres the link to my pic's and a ball python will never get 7 foot and a red tail way to advance for you atm 150 is a alright price my breeder has albinos for sale atm for 200

[Gungirl]

Why did you get them if you don't like them?

^ ditto this.

Why get a pet if you don't really like it? Take the time to do research and find out everything you need before you buy another snake. We are more than willing to help you learn but we need time to help.

[alessia55]

Where is the coulbrid forums?
I wanted the Cali King Snake at first but i didn't really know if to get it or not.
Cause I like large snakes. Like the python I got its like 2-3ft right now and they grow to like 7+ft.
I was getting a Columbian Red Tail for 150$.. Is that a good deal or no?

You have been mis-informed, Tronik. Your ball python is probably done growing, or will only grow 1 more foot. Ball pythons rarely grow to be longer the 4 feet. Your ball python will NOT grow to be 7+ feet.

You are a beginner at snake-keeping. I would stick to the two snakes you have right now for several months before you get another one.

That being said, California King Snakes are a good choice when you are ready for a third snake. A Cali King snake will get about the same size as your corn snake when they are fully grown up. Click here: sSnakeSs forums. (http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/) There you will find the main site that lists all the forums inside here. If you scroll about half way down, you'll see the part of the forum that is dedicated to just colubrids, like corn snakes and king snakes. A

A Colombian Redtail Boa would not be a good option for a beginner like yourself. You need to get a good hold on snake keeping first, and you can do that with the two snakes you have now. Get their housing and husbandry to be ideal first, get to know them. Snakes are a bigger time commitment than people believe they are. You only just got your snakes recently and you're new to snake keeping. So get used to them for a few months before you dedicate yourself to owning more snakes. This will give you enough time to research what other snakes you might like in the future.

[SnakeyJay]

You seriously need to slow down and learn about the snakes already in your care before you get any more. I know how exciting it is to go buy new snakes on a whim but your jumping into species that can grow quite large and have many different requirements... Do what's best for your new snakes, please.
Goodluck

[Hillsberry]

Why did you get them if you don't like them?

I agree! If you don't find something appealing, then why waste your money on it. :suspicious:

[TroniK]

I do like them, But I wanted something more like fancy..
But alright THANKS everyone who helped me.
I'll stick to these 2 for a while.

[alessia55]

I do like them, But I wanted something more like fancy..
But alright THANKS everyone who helped me.
I'll stick to these 2 for a while.

Sounds like a good choice, to stick to the two you have. And I think your ball python and your corn snake ARE pretty fancy :) I think the more time you spend with them the more you'll grow to love them

[TroniK]

Yeaa.
Thanks :]
I thought Pythons grew alot tho?
Or is it different pythons?

[Hillsberry]

Awesome choice! It's best to go slow. Owning any breed of snake is a remarkable experience. Once you have been working with snakes for a while then you can look into get a snake maybe like a Carpet Python. They recommend people working with Carpet pythons for a few years before getting GTPs. But for now sticking with your guys is your best bet. Trust me you will fall in love with your snakes super fast! :)

[Hillsberry]

All pythons grow different sizes. Some like the Burmese can reach but to 20 feet and some pythons like ball pythons only reach about 4 to 5 feet. All depends on the breed.

[TroniK]

Alright..
I've never heard of Carpet Pythons Tho..

[Hillsberry]

Tons of people on the forum own Carpet Pythons. There is a specific forum for Carpet Pythons if you want to check it out. There you will find pictures, questions, and information on Carpet Pythons and the different morphs "breeds" of the snake.

[Lankyrob]

I would also respectfully suggest that you do a lot of reading and research on your current snakes, and then when you decide what snake you want next do lots of research on that species before buying it.

Some snakes can be highly sensitive to wrong temperatures and humiditys so getting the set up right before putting the snake in the enclosure is a good idea ;) :)

[alessia55]

Your ball python is just one type of many pythons...
-ball python
-carpet python
-green tree python
-children's python
-burmese python
-reticulated python

There are also a variety of boas
-kenyan sand boa
-redtail boa
-emerald tree boa
-hogg island boa
-dumeril's boa
-rainbow boa
-etc.

Then there are colubrids...
-king snakes
-milk snakes
-corn snakes
-etc.

There is a specific part of the forum for each of these. If you check them out you'll learn a lot :)

[youngster]

Then there are colubrids...
-king snakes
-milk snakes
-corn snakes
-etc.)

*Gasp* :shocked: you forgot the best two kinds of colubrids!!!
coluber and thamnophis, racers and garters!

:D :D :D

But yes, I agree. I know how hard it is to stick to one or two snakes but sometimes you just gotta power through for the sake of your herps. :)

[KORBIN5895]

I got told I don't really need a heating pad.
I'm not up to spending anymore.
I spent 150$ just on the 55gal tank
25$ on hiding cave
18$ on aspen
15$ on water bowl
20$ on branches
80$ on python..
Thats alot just for a ball python plus the lightning and everything.
I got the light on one side of the tank (away from cave and water)
.

Since you seem to have stumbled into more loot you may want to rethink you heat pad decision. They really are a great investment.

[TroniK]

But I keep seeing people saying here that if temps are good you dont need no heatpad.
And Imma stick to these 2 snakes I got at the moment .
I just love to get snakes lol
My python always sleeping

[theapexgerman]

But I keep seeing people saying here that if temps are good you dont need no heatpad.
And Imma stick to these 2 snakes I got at the moment .
I just love to get snakes lol
My python always sleeping
my durmil boa just lies under the repti bark with his head pop up ill go to bed and hell still be either move a little bit or in the exact same spot

[alessia55]

But I keep seeing people saying here that if temps are good you dont need no heatpad.
And Imma stick to these 2 snakes I got at the moment .
I just love to get snakes lol
My python always sleeping

Ball pythons are quite lazy for the most part. It's part of being a heavy-bodied, slow-metabolizing snake. They're great lap snakes though if you ever want to watch TV and chill with your snake. :)

What are the temperatures in your enclosures now?

[Nos]

its a BP and it looks like a nice size one too

[snakehill]

Your corn looks like an Amel Motley IMO. But I'm not a corn expert so maybe not.