Boas: het albino on het snow

[KORBIN5895]

Hey I am looking at trading my atb for for a female bci 66% het snow. I currently have a male bci het albino. Percentages aside what would I get if I breed a het albino with a het snow?

[KORBIN5895]

Bump. Any ideas? Where is Kyle?

[lady_bug87]

hmmm I have no idea I am terrible with genetics just helping bump it along

[alessia55]

I tried finding a genetic wizard for boas like there is for ball pythons but couldn't find anything for you :hmm: Hopefully someone on here will be able to tell you

[KORBIN5895]

Thanks ladies! I appreciate the help bumping it along!

[lady_bug87]

if they're both pos hets wouldnt you get normals who carry 2 het genes? unless they each have the same het gene and then wont you get half normals and half whatever the het is provided the hets are actually hets?

and then in the second generation you would get visual snows or whatever with a het Albino

I'm so clueless

[KORBIN5895]

So am I.if something is hey snow wouldn't it also be het albino? I really couldn't care less exactly what they are but I was thinking albino is possible. I really assume the are regular Boas. Just can't trust those that sell hets. :) or maybe its better to say I won't get my hope set on them being het.

[alessia55]

Visually they should all be normals with het x%% x%% etc as far as I see it since they're both hets

[lady_bug87]

^^ yea but I think if you have 2 proven hets of the same gene you get 1/4 of that gene

[KORBIN5895]

Yes but isn't a snow boa a morph on albino? Like an albino with no yellow?

[alessia55]

Founds some stuff....

about snow boas (http://www.pkreptiles.com/informationterms/articles/snowboas.asp)

Types of Colombian T-Negative Albino Boas:
Snow (albino and anery):
The first snow boa was produced by Pete Kahl in 1996.
Source. (http://www.classreptilia.com/boa_morphs.htm)

Snow Boa
Genetics: Color mutation - simple recessive.
A snow boas is a double simple recessive (Albino & Anery)
Source. (http://www.boasandballs.com/CollectionBoa.html)

Maybe that helps a bit :) I know hardly anything about boas btw, just my googling

[millertime89]

snow is, as alessia pointed out, het albino and het anery, its labeled het snow because its easier and breeders make assumptions about the people looking to buy them.
when crossing a 100% het albino with a 66% het snow you won't get any snows, and there's a 66% chance that you'll get some albinos. I personally hate dealing with possible hets because you can get screwed, but its something breeders have to deal with because it results in the fastest way back to the desired crossing. (more on that next post)
I also don't think its 66%. Its a double recessive possible het, you get that with het x het, so a het snow x het snow will get you (of the normal appearing snakes) 1/16 normal, 2/16 het albino, 2/16 het anery, and 4/16 het snow, so that's 4/9 or 44% chance het snow.

[lady_bug87]

^^^^ my god you're so good at that I have no idea about genetics

[millertime89]

to get visible snows this is the fastest way to do it. The numbers in parenthesis () represent the chance that you'll get that outcome. 4/16 is a 25% chance that you'll get that morph.
albino x anery = 100% het snow (16/16)
het snow x het snow = 44% chance het snows (9/16), 66% chance albino het anery (3/16), 66% chance anery het albino (3/16), snow (1/16)

[alessia55]

Kyle you should get your 1000+ posts custom title and make it Boa Genius or something like that ;)

[millertime89]

^^^^ my god you're so good at that I have no idea about genetics

thanks, I'm getting better the more I read, Stephan is helping a ton and there are still some people out there that are WAY better than me and I still get it wrong some times. I use a genetic calculator to help as well, some people can do it in their head.

[lady_bug87]

ok just for curiosity-sake (I have no breeding plans)

What would I get if I crossed my Coral Albino with.. lets say a sunglow

[millertime89]

coral is a strain of albinism correct? and sunglow is a hypo white phase albino right?

[lady_bug87]

yea I think so

[millertime89]

the problem with albinos is they're not always compatible with each other. If the sunglow was a hypo coral albino you'll get 1/2 sunglows and 1/2 coral albinos. If they're not you'll get 1/2 het coral het other albino and 1/2 hypo het coral het other albino.

[millertime89]

so you'll probably get the later outcome, 1/2 normal het coral het white phase albino and 1/2 hypo het coral het white
it largely depends on who the original breeder was.

[lady_bug87]

like I said I have no plans lol

If I was going to breed her I would probably try to find her an anery then I could get snows right?

[millertime89]

it would take two breedings, but yes, you could. recessives, unless paired with hets for that specific gene or visible recessives will take 2 breedings to get visible recessives. This is what it would take. v

to get visible snows this is the fastest way to do it. The numbers in parenthesis () represent the chance that you'll get that outcome. 4/16 is a 25% chance that you'll get that morph.
albino x anery = 100% het snow (16/16)

THEN

het snow x het snow = 44% chance het snows (9/16), 66% chance albino het anery (3/16), 66% chance anery het albino (3/16), snow (1/16)

[lady_bug87]

yea im just going to NOT breed her lol when I bought her she was originally sold in a pair with a pretty coral Albino Male but I couldnt house them both

[KORBIN5895]

So would I get any visual in the first Gen from these two snakes? Please assume that they are both 100% hets. Also put it in plain stupid talk. My head is starting to spin

[millertime89]

So would I get any visual in the first Gen from these two snakes? Please assume that they are both 100% hets. Also put it in plain stupid talk. My head is starting to spin

maybe, it depends on 2 things
are the strains of albino compatible? (if they're from the same breeder or importer originally than it is most likely yes)
if that possible het is indeed a het, you'll get albinos possible het snows, there's a 66% chance that that its het albino, and 66% chance that its het anery, and 44% chance that its het snow.

[KORBIN5895]

Got it! I think???

[millertime89]

lol, well post up if you have any more questions.

[KORBIN5895]

So if they are compatible albino genes then I will get some albinos an the rest are normal or het for?(?) . Will the albinos be het for anery or snow? Anery albino is a snow correct?

[millertime89]

if the albinos are compatible you will get about a quarter albino 50% het snows, and half normals that are 66% het albino and 50% het anery
complete breakdown looks like this:
12.5% normal (no het, this is where people get burned, I would breed a co-dom known het for the possible recessive to prove this line while still producing some nice snakes)
25% het albino
12.5% het anery
25% het snow
12.5% albino
12.5% albino het anery/snow

If an albino is het for anery, it is also het for snow because snow is a double recessive albino anery.

[KORBIN5895]

Kk I got it now for sure. Thanks for being so patient Kyle.

[millertime89]

no worries, its a bit of a game for me, and its all a gamble.

[KORBIN5895]

I like to gamble! Especially when I have no money involved!

[youngster]

Anyone who wants to learn genetics should try Punnett squares (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punnett_square)
It looks very confusing but once you get it it gets easy. It's still hard to do triple and quad gene animals and hets can be annoying but I can do single and double genes in my head easy now.