A little help

[Boabari89]

Hello all..new here but dispite my name I fell in love with corms WAAAY befofe boas lol finsally got me some and could not have been happier. Corns rule everyone knows but few admit lol. anyway I need a little help identifing my motley gal! Her name is Sundai (Sunday) and she is just about 6 months. And not in any near future but would my amel (red albino) male make a nice mate..or should I just get another motley? Thnkx in advance all!
http://i42.tinypic.com/2150nza.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/eur6ms.jpg
and my young male with his washed out tail
http://i39.tinypic.com/17tsw4.jpg

[alessia55]

They both look great :) I'm not as good as others at identifying corns unless it's a really clear photo though. But congrats on the little babies :)

[youngster]

It's hard to tell but she kinda looks like an amel.
You could pair her with your male but you won't get any motleys unless the male is het.

Edit: nevermind :p I was looking at the bottom picture :) Kinda looks like a gold dust.

[Norm66]

Very cute, I love motley corns. In fact I might pick one up this weekend if there are any at the expo. Sorry I can't help with ID though.

[Boabari89]

Okay well im definatley going too shoot for another motley this weekend
when I first got her she scared me half 2 death with her tail rattle! almost convinced me 2 leave her little butt alone! She bit me after that (my fault I grabbed her in the middle of her great escape under the tv lol) but has been sweet ever since. Guess she tried two of her fav tricks but that didnt work I think she just accepted me. Hmm gold dust huh? Sounds fancy lol. Her orange comes out yellow in photos for some reason. Pic is accurate..just not as bright of a yellow is more of a bright orange of that helps. Im thinking hypo?

[kernel]

You are correct.... it's a hypo motley. By breeding the 2.... all you will get are normals het amel, hypo and motley. If you want to produce hypo motleys.... you better get another hypo motley. If you just get a normal motley.... all you will get when you breed is motleys het hypo. Feel free to pm me with anymore questions you have. I'm as the wise corn master on another forum, lol.

[Boabari89]

THANK YOU kernal! I feel better now that I know what she is haha. What do you think about the fading pn the tail of my amel boy? He is so colorful until his tail like someone peeled his scales off! Im really puzzled..is this normal for albinos too kinda fade out like that?

[Boabari89]

Kernel* sorry I use my phone guys and my fingers are large haha bear with me

[kernel]

There is a vanishing stripe corn snake, so maybe it's some type of vanishing pattern corn snake, but he could also just be a unique amel. I might or might not be able to tell better if you can post a better pic.

[Norm66]

And that's why I quit looking for forums after I found this one. :-)

[MojoHerps]

Welcome to the forum.

Motley has a hypo like effect on a corns colors so it can be really hard to tell if a motley is hypo. From the photos you have posted I would say your corn is a normal motley. If you can get better photos that might change.

If you bred your motley with your amel the babies would all be normals het motley and amel. Having said that amel is a very common gene and many corns carry it so you could get amels het motley if your motley is het amel.

Where did you get your corns from? If they were from a breeder then they should be able to tell you your snake's genetics.

[kernel]

You could be right, but I still say it's a hypo motley.

Here are a some pics

Motley

http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/motley/images/motte01.jpg

Motley hatchling

http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/motley/pics/motley-h.jpg

Hypo motley

http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/hypo_motley/pics/hypomotley-a.jpg

Hypo motley hatchling

http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/hypo_motley/images/HypoMotley.jpg

[Boabari89]

Both my corns were CL rescues. I hate saying rescues as they were both healthy and eating well. I was also considering normal motley. They look like hypos if you ask me but im not the expert lol.
I will take better pictures tonight when they wake up. Also I know they have higher fat than protien but ive been feeding rat pinks as mice are hard 2 find. Should I space her feedings out a little more? I handle alot so exercise not an issue

[MojoHerps]

To be honest I think the photos above demonstrate what I am saying. I think it is extremely difficult to tell if a motley is hypo unless you know or test the genetics. I think most people would be hard pressed to see major differences between the two examples you showed. I can show you photos of my motley hatchlings over the years, none of which were hypo, that can be very deceiving and all look very different from what you have shown above.

I would also suggest that if you are posting photos that are not yours you should make that clear and credit the sites that you took the photos from.

[kernel]

Their off of Ians vivarium. I can tell the difference, but I guess that's just cause I study the different morphs so much. Here are a couple of links from the site I got the pics from.

Motley Corn Snake - Ians Vivarium (http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/motley/)

Hypo Motley Corn Snake - Ians Vivarium (http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/hypo_motley/)

[alessia55]

The pics kernel posted of the motley vs hypo look pretty obvious to me :hmm: Maybe it's just an extreme case of differences and usually they look more alike; but I'm not skilled in corn morphs like most of you are :p

[kernel]

They do look more alike sometimes, but I have still always been able to tell them apart.