View Full Version : Albino Bp Life span?
Kyle Walkinshaw
01-10-03, 10:56 AM
I heard the other day about a guy who invested in some albino bp's and boas, they were kept healthy without problems for about 3 years and one day they just shut down and died. I was curious if anyone has or knows of any albino bp's that have lived a significant amount of time or whether they are living just long enough to breed??
Pythonian
01-10-03, 12:19 PM
hmmm thats very strange. If i remember correctly. I saw someone on this forum who had an albino that is older than 3.. or it was on the "other" forum ;)
Mike
Hmm... that's a good question. I had a wc albino that died when she was 5, she had some other problems (glandular/hormone abnormalities, she was huge) so i don't know if being an albino had anything to do with it. I think the only disadvantage that a healthy albino would have over a normal would be a susceptibility to skin problems. That's a really interesting question, let us know if you find anything out.
They can live just as long as a normal BP 25 years plus and what probably happend to the albino boids that the guy your talking about...Is that they may of had IBD and although they looked all normal healthy and wasn't showing any signs of having the disease like mouth rot or RTI...They could still have been infected for along time and once one boidae as the disease it's almost a sure thing that all the all the other boidaes that are kept in the area or handled by the same breeder who is not a wear that the animals are infected, will become infected as well...
Kyle Barker
01-11-03, 04:07 PM
That whole ibd thing sounds pretty scary. Hope its not anything like that that killed it.
Mouth rot and RTI aren't symptoms of IBD... it's fairly obvious if an animal has IBD, and I don't think it's the best diagnosis to give if you don't know all of the factors in the situation... I just scares people. :(
I'm not trying to beat up on you, it just isn't a pleasant thing to think about, ever.
Albino BP's can live just as long as normal BP's 25 years plus...I think what may have happen to the albino boids that the guy was taking care off, they may have had IBD and although there wasn't any sign of the disease like mouth rot or RTI...They could of been infected for along time and once one has the disease it's almost a sure thing all the other boids that a un a wear breeder or collector is caring for will become infected...
It did post....I didn't see it posten when I checked.......
Originally posted by sara
Mouth rot and RTI aren't symptoms of IBD... it's fairly obvious if an animal has IBD, and I don't think it's the best diagnosis to give if you don't know all of the factors in the situation... I just scares people. :(
I'm not trying to beat up on you, it just isn't a pleasant thing to think about, ever.
From what I understand RTI and mouth rot isn't the IBD virus, but they do mimic it and it's one of the way's IBD may expose its self...
Kyle Walkinshaw
01-12-03, 01:12 PM
ok I know mouth rot, but i'm not too familiar with diseases yet so what exactly is IBD and RTI??
I am sorry been gone all day...(IBD) stands for Inclusion Body Disease and (RTI) Respiratory Tract Infection...Here's a site that I love because not only does it have info on the disease's, but they also have storys written by people who bought a animal and it had the disease or something on those lines...Which to me help's people to understand it a little better becuase they can relate...Ether way its a good site with a nice amount of info...enjoy... http://www.anapsid.org/rti.html http://www.anapsid.org/ibd.html
Kyle Walkinshaw
01-12-03, 08:27 PM
Thx Jake!:)
Originally posted by JakeS
They can live just as long as a normal BP 25 years plus
Just curious what you are basing this information on since the albino BP was discovered in '89, which would (if the founding snake is still alive) make it 14 years old. :) However, I agree it most likely would experience a full life, estimating from what other longer-established morphs have demonstrated.
I am sorry should have put could or may live to 25 years plus...Good point!!!
JasonBrennan
01-16-03, 08:59 AM
It should be noted that the only way to determine if a snake has IBD is after it is dead. A necropsy has to be performed to determine if a snake has IBD. There are symptoms, but the symptoms are also the same as with some other diseases, so it is very hard to tell.
The best thing you can do if you suspect IBD is to immediatly seperate the anjmal from all others and take it to the herp vet. If he thinks it could even possibly be IBD, the animal should be put down. IBD is terminal, and it is not a death that should have to be endured. Then, if the necrospsy shows it WAS IBD, then all other animals in the collection should be checked out by the vet. This is a contagious disease that can wipe out entire collections, so a certain level of caution is necessary (especially if you are adding animals to your collection!!)
Anyway, that is my take on IBD.
Actually, live snakes can be diagnosed with a blood test. The disease cells itself can only be detected with an organ tissue biospy, but a blood test can be used to diagnose live animals with the disease.
Gorelith
01-16-03, 02:30 PM
Albino's of any species live shorter lifespans. There is countless information available online about albinism and how the tyrosine protien affects melanin production as well as other undesired effects that pair with tyrosine (ie other codominant,dominant, and recessive traits). Don't ask me to provide links, they're all over the net. There's also issues online about inbreeding for genetic traits though most breeders deny the scientific evidence provided in these documents. You have to be careful when purchasing a "so-called" investment animal. What separates the investment animal from the normals? Is it just color? (not necessarily, there are undesireable genes paired with many genes people breed for) for example, there's a breed of dog (can't remember the name of the breed right off hand) thats costs roughly $5000-$8000 to buy and only lives 5 years. And this is what people are actively breeding towards. Go figure, it's not what I'd deem the best way to conserve that particular genepool. Sounds more like polluting the genepool to me, then again we are human....guess we're just good at polluting and f**king everything up. :(
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