what do you guys think

[KORBIN5895]

So I just found out that the breeder that identified my snakes doesn't actually breed Boas ......... or have snakes right now. So I don't trust what he said. Gungirl is going to post pics for me as I can't upload from my phone.

First is Gabby. He is 29 inches according to his shed today. I bought him as a common bci:) from the pet store. Four months later when I was dropping of a mouse shipment the guy that was doing reptiles informed me that his buddy got one at the same time and that it was a salmon or pastel I can't remember which. He believes Gabby is one of them.

Next is Scamper. I got him from a guy that was moving and said it was vicious( totally not btw). He got it from the mom and pop pet store as A true bcc. I know that that store is pretty good at labeling its reptiles. He is a year and a half and between 36-42 inches.

Finally is Kota. He is a 100% het for albino. I am the third owner not counting the breeder. He is a proven breeder according to a third party ( long story). He has a really nice tail pattern. I described it to a local boa fanatic and he offered me 150 sight unseen. I showed him a few days later and he told me it was just a common but still offered me 150. I told him I was keeping it and he offered me my choice of two of his juvenile or adults or three of his hatchlings. This is the one the "breeder" aka idiot said was a motley. So any opinions would be greatly appreciated! Also I love my snakes and it truly doesn't matter what they are.

[Gungirl]

I haven't gotten Gabby's pics yet so I will put scamper first.
http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee454/KAMacie/KORBIN5895/IMG_20111021_213924.jpg
http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee454/KAMacie/KORBIN5895/IMG_20111021_213917.jpg
http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee454/KAMacie/KORBIN5895/IMG_20111021_213907.jpg
http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee454/KAMacie/KORBIN5895/IMG_20111021_213840.jpg

[Gungirl]

Ok Now here is Kota

http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee454/KAMacie/KORBIN5895/IMG_20111113_143208.jpg
http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee454/KAMacie/KORBIN5895/IMG_20111113_143220.jpg
http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee454/KAMacie/KORBIN5895/IMG_20111021_214150.jpg
http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee454/KAMacie/KORBIN5895/IMG_20111021_214136.jpg

[Jay]

The shed stretches, it's not an accurate form of measurement. Unless you have bought the boas from a reputable breeder we can only take a guess. Bcc's are bread with bci's so much nowadays. If you are not breeding, the only thing that should matter is YOU like them so who cares what they are. For piece of mine they all look like colombians.. Maybe. The only one who know us the one who bred them and even then who is to say he didn't cross breed.

[Gungirl]

Ok and here is Gabby
http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee454/KAMacie/KORBIN5895/IMG_20111021_214015.jpg
http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee454/KAMacie/KORBIN5895/IMG_20111021_214032.jpg
http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee454/KAMacie/KORBIN5895/IMG_20111021_214042.jpg

[alessia55]

I can't tell you what kind of a boa they are, but I can tell you they are all beautiful :yes:

[KORBIN5895]

Thanks jay! I am cool with that. I love em all no matter what they are. I have posted in another thread how I acquired them so its not like I got ripped off. I know that Kota is het for albino so. . I don't plan on selling though I got another offer on Kota last night. He seems popular for some reason. Jay can you tell me what exactly makes a motley?

[KORBIN5895]

Aren't they! I was very lucky to get then.

[Jay]

It's a genetic co dominate mutation, that was named Motley due to resemblance of the motley corn sanke, a fusion of dorsal striping with no side pattern. I could be mistaken, I have not done to much research on the trait.

[ding ding]

im far from an expert but i would say they are 3 lovely colombian Bci's you have there mate... congrats on the pick ups!

[lady_bug87]

I still can't figure out the difference between BCC and BCI....

[KORBIN5895]

Location Is what they keep saying. I think they said bcc are smaller than bci

[Jay]

BCC
scale counts - 75 to 95 dorsal rows.
227 to 250 ventrals.
49 to 62 subcaudals.

BCI
scale counts - 56 to 79 dorsal rows.
225 to 253 ventrals.
47 to 65 subcaudals.

And don't forget about, bcl, bco and bca's

[Jay]

Location Is what they keep saying. I think they said bcc are smaller than bci

Bcc tend to become larger. They also will have a more deeper red tail.

[lady_bug87]

... ah now I'm confused... Lol luckily I will never breed her so it doesn't matter

[Jay]

To confuse you a little more Bcc's and bci's can both be found in Colombia.

[KORBIN5895]

Ok I had it backwards. So if I count scales I will know for sure? And explain those other words I don't know.:)

[Jay]

Ventrals - belly scales.
subcaudals - anal to tip of the tail.

[KORBIN5895]

So counting will tell me what is dominant?

[Gungirl]

With out knowing who breed these and what the parents where there is no real way to tell. Especially by a picture. If you really want to know your best bet would be to go to a really good breeder and see what they say. In the end its all guessing.

[lady_bug87]

To confuse you a little more Bcc's and bci's can both be found in Colombia.

Ah well all that matters is that she's a pretty snake with a great temperament

[Jay]

With out knowing who breed these and what the parents where there is no real way to tell. Especially by a picture. If you really want to know your best bet would be to go to a really good breeder and see what they say. In the end its all guessing.
With all these kids buying crossbreed snakes or mislabeled snakes and breeding them, you are right, it just a guess. Even a "really" good breeder will tell you the same. What I provided was ways to help determian.

[Jay]

But yes not 100% accurate way of determining.

[millertime89]

BCC
scale counts - 75 to 95 dorsal rows.
227 to 250 ventrals.
49 to 62 subcaudals.

BCI
scale counts - 56 to 79 dorsal rows.
225 to 253 ventrals.
47 to 65 subcaudals.

And don't forget about, bcl, bco and bca's

ARGH THEY OVERLAP! Must be frustrating for breeders.
What about the others? Never heard of those.

[bladeblaster]

No guess work required, that's 3 common boas you have there. No true Bcc to be seen I am afraid.

[lady_bug87]

ARGH THEY OVERLAP! Must be frustrating for breeders.
What about the others? Never heard of those.

and thats why I give up. my girl is calm and beautiful and thats all I could ever ask of her

[Jay]

ARGH THEY OVERLAP! Must be frustrating for breeders.
What about the others? Never heard of those.

Boa constrictor amarali, Amaral's boa
Boa constrictor constrictor, Red-tailed
Boa constrictor imperator, Common northern boa
Boa constrictor longicauda, Tumbes Peru boa
Boa constrictor melanogaster, Ecuadorian boa
Boa constrictor nebulosa, Dominican clouded boa
Boa constrictor occidentalis, Argentine boa (locally known as lampalagua, ampalagua or boa de las vizcacheras)
Boa constrictor orophias, St. Lucia boa
Boa constrictor ortonii, Orton's boa
Boa constrictor sabogae, Pearl Island boa
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[millertime89]

ah, I gotcha now.

[KORBIN5895]

I am not worried about their lineage. I am happy with them as they are. I guess bcc and bci doesn't matter to me anymore.
thanks everyone for the help.

[jarich]

Boa constrictor amarali, Amaral's boa
Boa constrictor constrictor, Red-tailed
Boa constrictor imperator, Common northern boa
Boa constrictor longicauda, Tumbes Peru boa
Boa constrictor melanogaster, Ecuadorian boa
Boa constrictor nebulosa, Dominican clouded boa
Boa constrictor occidentalis, Argentine boa (locally known as lampalagua, ampalagua or boa de las vizcacheras)
Boa constrictor orophias, St. Lucia boa
Boa constrictor ortonii, Orton's boa
Boa constrictor sabogae, Pearl Island boa
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Hey Jay, Im really curious to find out where you got all these subspecies names from. Could you give me a reference? Are these coined by breeders or by biologists?

[youngster]

Those would be named by biologists. They are wild creatures :)
And you can find subspecies here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boa_constrictor) on wiki